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 chobumms
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 Can they search my house
#8547652 - 06/21/08 02:06 PM (5 months, 10 days ago) |
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Some teenager I hardly know runs away and one of her friends got caught and the PoPo's questioned him, also a minor, and he made the claim that I grow because he has no balls and he probably was scared shitless by the cops.
I get calls from a private number asking if I know where she is and I don't so I tell them I have no clue. The officer says "okay, I was just making sure because we're compiling evidence to break down your door with a search warrant here real soon. So I just keep answering more questions. He sounds nice, but I know they can be deceptive to get answers, and he says, "I believe you, but this girl's parents are really worried about her".
So a day or two later they went to my mom's house (my old house) looking for the dumbshit bitch and my mom calls me saying they asked where I lived, but she said she doesn't know, because she doesn't know actually. The officers asked if she knew if I was growing psychedelic mushrooms, or shrooms, and she said I wouldn't do that kind of stuff.
I hightail my shit out of my place in three different cars to a secret place and leave it for safe keeping. It's been two weeks already and I haven't heard from any cops at all since the day they called me and told me they had a sensor on my phone, though they never touched it.
My questions are:
1)Would the cops come to my place on mushroom charges through teenager's word if he has never been to my place?
2)Could I get in trouble for having only a pc and some jars full of corn and rice prepared for inoculation if they did come over in a search?
3) What kind of sensor could they put on my phone? (reeks of hpoo to me)
4) should I be afraid and expect a search if this stupid girl is still missing and her friends are making claims she's staying with me?
5) I know I screwed up on the rules, so don't flame me.
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 Re: Can they search my house [Re: chobumms]
#8547669 - 06/21/08 02:17 PM (5 months, 10 days ago) |
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1)Would the cops come to my place on mushroom charges through teenager's word if he has never been to my place?
If they're bored, or feel like it, sure.
2)Could I get in trouble for having only a pc and some jars full of corn and rice prepared for inoculation if they did come over in a search?
No.
3) What kind of sensor could they put on my phone? (reeks of hpoo to me)
huh? a what now?
4) should I be afraid and expect a search if this stupid girl is still missing and her friends are making claims she's staying with me?
Of course. that's practically investigation into a suspected kidnapping with you as prime suspect, lol.
5) I know I screwed up on the rules, so don't flame me.
um... sec... gonna assume one of these graemlins  
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Re: Can they search my house [Re: Sef]
#8547964 - 06/21/08 04:16 PM (5 months, 10 days ago) |
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lol, thanks for response though. I expected a good flamethrowing. The charge would be harboring arunaway though and that is 1-3 years, lol. The cop said they had a sensor on my phone
I was thinking " but its been in my pocket the whole time, officer"
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Re: Can they search my house [Re: chobumms]
#8548484 - 06/21/08 07:07 PM (5 months, 10 days ago) |
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chobumms said:
My questions are:
1)Would the cops come to my place on mushroom charges through teenager's word if he has never been to my place?
2)Could I get in trouble for having only a pc and some jars full of corn and rice prepared for inoculation if they did come over in a search?
3) What kind of sensor could they put on my phone? (reeks of hpoo to me)
4) should I be afraid and expect a search if this stupid girl is still missing and her friends are making claims she's staying with me?
5) I know I screwed up on the rules, so don't flame me.
1. On this alone, if the kid claims he saw them, possibly. I think that would be plenty for a warrant. IF the kid just "know you grow them" its less likely, but that's not to say you still won't get a warrant and be arrested and have to fight it (though likely nothing will come of it if they don't find evidence)
2. Yes. If you have everything there ready to go, and the cops find spores they could charge you. Best is to not have anything there. AND DON"T TALK, DON'T MAKE EXCUSES- SHUT UP TOTALLY
3. I don't know
4. I would expect a visit at minimum if you have any bills or whatever sent to your house. They can do a knock and talk whether they have PC or not.
Biggest thing is don't consent and don't answer any questions. I would simply say "I don't know where she is" and leave it at that. Don't answer any more questions or say anything, even if they come w/ a search warrant. No excuses, no explanations, nothing. shut up
And keep your place clean of activities your not willing to be charged with. They may look through the windows, see a pipe, and get a warrant on that- you never know.
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Re: Can they search my house [Re: johnm214]
#8548788 - 06/21/08 08:54 PM (5 months, 10 days ago) |
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Thank you, that was very helpful advice, I just don't know why they would believe a teen. He hasn't see anything, and doesn't even know what I look like. He's just covering for this girl.
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Re: Can they search my house [Re: chobumms]
#8549334 - 06/22/08 12:45 AM (5 months, 10 days ago) |
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Not worth the risk.
Lay low.
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Re: Can they search my house [Re: chobumms]
#8549912 - 06/22/08 05:55 AM (5 months, 10 days ago) |
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Stop messing around with dumb teens. They'll only get you in trouble.
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Re: Can they search my house [Re: ToiletDuk]
#8550135 - 06/22/08 08:58 AM (5 months, 10 days ago) |
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ToiletDuk said:
Stop messing around with dumb teens. They'll only get you in trouble.
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Re: Can they search my house [Re: chobumms]
#8550361 - 06/22/08 11:11 AM (5 months, 9 days ago) |
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Reading between the lines in your OP, it seems as though you gave drugs to a minor and that minor wound up in the hospital, if that is true, I agree with the cops that will bust your ass.
Whether or not prohibition exists, giving drugs to a minor should be a serious charge, and if you get a legal smack down it's your own damn fault.
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Re: Can they search my house [Re: Chemy]
#8552742 - 06/23/08 12:29 AM (5 months, 9 days ago) |
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How do you get that he put a girl in the hospital from that? Don't post when you are shroomin, lol...
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Re: Can they search my house [Re: jm3800]
#8553467 - 06/23/08 07:48 AM (5 months, 9 days ago) |
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Dude, thanks for the defense!
It's true, I did say up there that I don't even know the kid that claimed this!
I only know he exists because the fuzz showed up at my ma, my mom, my momma's house.
He is a friend of the girl who ran away and I only have seen this girl less than ten times in my life.
It is true, teens are just fuckin trouble for sure, I don't hang around them though as I just turned 21, alcoholic since and before that.
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Re: Can they search my house [Re: chobumms]
#8555871 - 06/23/08 08:01 PM (5 months, 8 days ago) |
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The sensor on your phone could mean your phone is tapped and being monitored. I have no idea why they would tell you this though. I'd ditch the phone and get a new one with a different provider. Better yet get yourself a prepaid trac phone for the time being.
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Re: Can they search my house [Re: matt]
#8556374 - 06/23/08 10:09 PM (5 months, 8 days ago) |
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I just got the trac phone today. I called the parent of this girl and he said that that she was found in houston about ten days ago. That being said, the parents are pursuing statutory rape charges against a 20 yo male and 23 yo male in Houston. The minor is in jail, he said, probably juvenile I guess.
He said he knew there were no files charged against me as he lives in missouri, not here in Texas like the mom, that's good since I didn't do shit anyway.
Would the cops still pursue me and should I still lay low? I haven't heard from them since the case began.
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Re: Can they search my house [Re: matt]
#8556385 - 06/23/08 10:13 PM (5 months, 8 days ago) |
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Quote:
matt said:
I have no idea why they would tell you this though.
I know right, you gotta love courtesy calls from investigators.
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Re: Can they search my house [Re: Chemy]
#8557573 - 06/24/08 08:43 AM (5 months, 8 days ago) |
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I think he was just trying to make me talk. Does all my shit need to go though?
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Re: Can they search my house [Re: chobumms]
#8558795 - 06/24/08 03:29 PM (5 months, 7 days ago) |
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Better safe than sorry.
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Is a teenager's (one that doesn't even know what I look like) hearsay good enough to get a warrant on me even if he hasn't met me? I didnt think that would be enough. Would a judge even sign a warrant with that being the only evidence?
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Re: Can they search my house [Re: chobumms]
#8558934 - 06/24/08 04:06 PM (5 months, 7 days ago) |
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> Is a teenager's (one that doesn't even know what I look like) hearsay good enough to get a warrant on me even if he hasn't met me?
Does it matter? You can ask again and again, but the answer is always going to be the same...
> Better safe than sorry.
> Not worth the risk.
> keep your place clean of activities your not willing to be charged with.
> If they're bored, or feel like it, sure (they will come by your place)
> Would a judge even sign a warrant with that being the only evidence?
Completely depends upon the judge and the jurisdiction. In some places, yes, without any doubt what-so-ever a judge would sign that search warrant. In other places, no how, no way would a judge sign a warrant for that. Regardless, you need to get clean and stay clean for a while. Sucks, but life isn't always fair.
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Re: Can they search my house [Re: Seuss]
#8559287 - 06/24/08 05:51 PM (5 months, 7 days ago) |
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Agreed.
Seuss makes a good point: does it matter?
If the cops break in without a warrant, find evidence, and jail you... your going to be in jail, perhaps, for months before your suppression hearing. Not fun. This is what Seuss means, I think, when he says "does it matter".
You also presume the warrant will be sought on what you think it will be sought on. If the kid says "I saw him pass a marijuana pipe to his friend" you get a warrant for drug trafficking that will likely stand up. IF the kid says "I saw him smoke pot/have pot" you get a warrant for possession.
A cop's subjective motivation is irrelevant for the legality of the search. The cop could say "your honor I didn't care about the pot, just a ruse to get in his place to catch him with growing supplies" it would not affect the legality of the search. If the kid will say he saw you with drugs, you'll likely get a warrant that sticks if the cops care enough.
Either way, bad news. Clean house.
No, I doubt you'll be convicted if you only have shit laying around and no spores, but its very possible you would be. And do you really want to wait around on jail/bond and be facing 10 years or whatever while your case winds to trial?
Even worse, wanna be convicted if the search is legal?
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Re: Can they search my house [Re: chobumms]
#8561494 - 06/25/08 07:35 AM (5 months, 7 days ago) |
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this is such a bullshit story!
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No unfortunately, it's all true
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No, if you have spores and jars ready to go your not gonna get arrested. I mean they can *try* and stick you with a conspiracy for manufacture charge but really, how are they gonna prove without a doubt youve got jars of wbs/popcorn for the sole purpose of innoculating with mushroom spores to do some illegal ish? My room got searched by the po in november sometime and they found my bong, bowls, some empty unused baggies, spores, and a pc with 2 jars full of 50/50 mix. The cops asked me what the spores and jars were for ready to go get it tested and I was just like, "the spores are for microscopy research in comparing spores to what I find when I go hunting" and "those jars are just for transferring specimens I find hunting and trying to cultivate them." The fact that i'm a bio major didnt hurt to mention either  . They were just searching for finished drugs they can use as concrete evidence. Needless to say, they gave me back my spores and left me in the hands of my school administration, who were equally chill about everything.
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Re: Can they search my house [Re: Shroomsbrrr]
#8573460 - 06/28/08 04:32 AM (5 months, 4 days ago) |
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they don't need to prove beyond a doubt to arrest you, or for anything else for that matter.
The far most likely scenario is that someone will talk and that will be the basis for the conviction. People are silly and kill their cases, you see it here constantly.
But your identification of the charge as conspiracy is one reason people shouldn't make excuses: you kill your case when you don't know the law and talk.
If you think its a conspiracy charge and so you admit to plannign to inoculate, but say you decided to not do so anymore about a month ago and were just saving up for some portebello spores, you are screwed.
Voluntary abandonment isn't an affirmative defense of an attempt charge, generally, unlike a conspiracy charge, so your presumption would screw you.
Not saying you'd talk, but people do, all the time. They don't even think of it as talking. They decide "silence" really means "contrive some stupid story that satisfies the police". Only when you go to jail you might realize your mistake.
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Re: Can they search my house [Re: johnm214]
#8574902 - 06/28/08 04:46 PM (5 months, 3 days ago) |
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