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asking a cop if they're a cop
    #8531071 - 06/16/08 07:05 PM (2 months, 12 days ago)

do they really have to tell you? could anyone give me a credible source?

i have heard much hearsay about this, but from my experience, alot of what people say and believe is false. would really like a definitive answer about this.


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Re: asking a cop if their a cop [Re: rev 766]
    #8531103 - 06/16/08 07:14 PM (2 months, 12 days ago)

Nope, they don't have to tell you at all in order to make a bust.


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Re: asking a cop if their a cop [Re: rev 766]
    #8531200 - 06/16/08 07:38 PM (2 months, 12 days ago)

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rev 766 said:
do they really have to tell you? could anyone give me a credible source?

i have heard much hearsay about this, but from my experience, alot of what people say and believe is false. would really like a definitive answer about this.




First thing to learn is that most people are borderline retarded.

Why the hell would a cop have to tell people he is a cop?  Now, it is a crime to impersonate a cop.  But that would be if someone isn't a cop and pretends to be.

Seriously, I can just imagine an undercover being required to tell the local mafia he is a cop.  Sounds like that would lead to a lot of dead cops.


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Re: asking a cop if their a cop [Re: rev 766]
    #8531958 - 06/16/08 11:00 PM (2 months, 12 days ago)

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do they really have to tell you?





No, they can lie all they want, no consequences.


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could anyone give me a credible source?




Sure


http://www.erowid.org/freedom/police/police_info6.shtml


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Re: asking a cop if their a cop [Re: rev 766]
    #8532071 - 06/16/08 11:29 PM (2 months, 12 days ago)

you really can't find a credible source that soemthing doesn't exist, as it's always going to be "couldn't find anything to substantiate it".


Even if they "had to tell you" it doesn't fucking matter anyways.  Great, they broke the law, let's say.  What are you going to do about it?  That's right, nothing- absolutly nothing.

I don't know why people worry about stuff like this when its a worthless pursuit.

I talked about this in the legal principles thread stickied.


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Re: asking a cop if their a cop [Re: johnm214]
    #8533441 - 06/17/08 12:01 PM (2 months, 11 days ago)

If you fake a heart attack or something would they have to go into action, or would that just be doctors?


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Re: asking a cop if their a cop [Re: MasonsChild]
    #8533560 - 06/17/08 12:44 PM (2 months, 11 days ago)

Start shooting a gun and just pay attention to who shoots back.


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Re: asking a cop if their a cop [Re: rev 766]
    #8533801 - 06/17/08 02:10 PM (2 months, 11 days ago)

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rev 766 said:
do they really have to tell you? could anyone give me a credible source?

i have heard much hearsay about this, but from my experience, alot of what people say and believe is false. would really like a definitive answer about this.




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It is well accepted that deception is often "necessary" to catch those who break the law. There is no question that police officers are allowed to directly mislead and/or deceive others about their identity, their law enforcement status, their history, and just about anything else, without breaking the law or compromising their case.



http://www.erowid.org/freedom/police/police_info6.shtml


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Re: asking a cop if their a cop [Re: MasonsChild]
    #8535066 - 06/17/08 08:06 PM (2 months, 11 days ago)

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If you fake a heart attack or something would they have to go into action, or would that just be doctors?





cops dont have to do anything, they dont have to 'serve and
protect', they dont have to 'prevent crime', all they have to do
is show up for work to collect a paycheck, there have been
instances where cops could have prevented a robbery or a shooting
but didnt act, the courts ruled that it wasnt their duty to do so


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Re: asking a cop if their a cop [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8536508 - 06/18/08 08:56 AM (2 months, 10 days ago)

> cops dont have to do anything ... the courts ruled

Correct.  The courts (in the US) have ruled that the police cannot be held liable for failure to provide assistance.


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Re: asking a cop if their a cop [Re: Seuss]
    #8536851 - 06/18/08 11:23 AM (2 months, 10 days ago)

cock fags...all of them.

thanks for the info. this is what i assumed, but i had heard otherwise for several years and never really cared enough to find out for sure. if you're not a stupid fuck you shouldn't have to worry about it anyway.

i was just curious, thanks.


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Re: asking a cop if their a cop [Re: Seuss]
    #8538625 - 06/18/08 09:20 PM (2 months, 10 days ago)

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Seuss said:
> cops dont have to do anything ... the courts ruled

Correct.  The courts (in the US) have ruled that the police cannot be held liable for failure to provide assistance.




Amazing.


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Re: asking a cop if their a cop [Re: SuperD]
    #8545544 - 06/20/08 08:01 PM (2 months, 8 days ago)

amazing but true, good luck googling any info on it though, google
seems to be aiding in burying info that makes government look bad


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Re: asking a cop if their a cop [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8545708 - 06/20/08 09:10 PM (2 months, 8 days ago)

It seriously perplexes me why people trust the police's word or believe they are out to do anything besides enforce their own perogatives or that of their superiors.  I've never been helped by the police in my life, but I've been harrased several times without cause (searches, dog sniffs, tackled and arrested as a juvenile for smoking a ciggerette- which the officer claimed was illegal, I said it wasn't, asked if I was under arrest, was ignored, turned and walked away and was tackled and arrested for asaulting an officer- luckily that was sealed when I turned 18 though I plead down to disturbing the peace cuz the officer dropped the charges once I got a lawyer and witnesses)


Anyways, besides my personal bitching, in response to the discussion, here's the ruling prisoner and Seuss mention.  Basically there is no federal right that the police do their job, and so you can't sue if they don't.  They also have discretion whether or not to do anything at all in any case.

The only room the court left was if a statute gave a private right to citizens for police action at their behest, which the state at issue here didn't.

This is yet another example of the failure of law to do any good when their are no enforcement mechanisms.  One of my big problem with liberals and the law.  They like to pass all this bullshit but don't provide private rights of enforcement, and they often supersede all other state law and other federal remedies, so you actually lose rights, cuz only the government can enforce them for you.

For example, if colorado had given citizens/taxpayers the right to have the police act on their complaints when initiated in good faith, then this lawsuit would have succeeded, most likely.

Laws without enforcement and standing rights are worthless window dressing at best, and a drain of our liberty at worst, and usual.

Here's the background from the case:

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  According to the complaint, at about 5 or 5:30 p.m. on Tuesday, June 22, 1999, respondent’s husband took the three daughters while they were playing outside the family home. No advance arrangements had been made for him to see the daughters that evening. When respondent noticed the children were missing, she suspected her husband had taken them. At about 7:30 p.m., she called the Castle Rock Police Department, which dispatched two officers. The complaint continues: “When [the officers] arrived … , she showed them a copy of the TRO and requested that it be enforced and the three children be returned to her immediately. [The officers] stated that there was nothing they could do about the TRO and suggested that [respondent] call the Police Department again if the three children did not return home by 10:00 p.m.” App. to Pet. for Cert. 126a.2

    At approximately 8:30 p.m., respondent talked to her husband on his cellular telephone. He told her “he had the three children [at an] amusement park in Denver.” Ibid. She called the police again and asked them to “have someone check for” her husband or his vehicle at the amusement park and “put out an [all points bulletin]” for her husband, but the officer with whom she spoke “refused to do so,” again telling her to “wait until 10:00 p.m. and see if ” her husband returned the girls. Id., at 126a—127a.

    At approximately 10:10 p.m., respondent called the police and said her children were still missing, but she was now told to wait until midnight. She called at midnight and told the dispatcher her children were still missing. She went to her husband’s apartment and, finding nobody there, called the police at 12:10 a.m.; she was told to wait for an officer to arrive. When none came, she went to the police station at 12:50 a.m. and submitted an incident report. The officer who took the report “made no reasonable effort to enforce the TRO or locate the three children. Instead, he went to dinner.” Id., at 127a.

    At approximately 3:20 a.m., respondent’s husband arrived at the police station and opened fire with a semiautomatic handgun he had purchased earlier that evening. Police shot back, killing him. Inside the cab of his pickup truck, they found the bodies of all three daughters, whom he had already murdered. Ibid.







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Held: Respondent did not, for Due Process Clause purposes, have a property interest in police enforcement of the restraining order against her husband. Pp. 6—19.
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  (b) A benefit is not a protected entitlement if officials have discretion to grant or deny it. See, e.g., Kentucky Dept. of Corrections v. Thompson, 490 U.S. 454, 462—463. It is inappropriate here to defer to the Tenth Circuit’s determination that Colorado law gave respondent a right to police enforcement of the restraining order. This Court therefore proceeds to its own analysis. Pp. 7—9.




TOWN OF CASTLE ROCK, COLORADO v. GONZALES, 545 U.S. 748 (2005)


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