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 Cannabischarlie
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 UFC or MMA in general lame?
#8537668 - 06/18/08 04:22 PM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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I find that MMA really has little to do with actual martial arts.
The fighting is just lame, more attuned to a street fight than anything resembling "Martial Arts."
Muay Thai is really lame I feel, and it seems like every other UFC fighter practices this "Martial Art"
I rarely see anything very impressive, I mean a long the lines of two people who know some form of Kung Fu (yes I know this is a general term for a very very wide variety of Martial Arts) or something, or Judo throws or anything.
Just sort of a lame "slug fest" feel.
That and too much of the fights stay on the ground too long.
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If they aren't doing it in MMA, it's probably because it doesn't work.
If you go back and watch the first couple of UFC cards from back in the day when nobody really knew what would work and what wouldn't, you see all kinds of guys with fancy nin-jitsu or some such nonsense throwing flying spinning kicks in the middle of the ring.
Then they get tripped, put in an arm-bar, and submitted.
Alot of that shit is just not practical.
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^^
it's a lot more interetaining though :P
a lot of MMA adaptions are less intertaining.
ex. mma boxing = u keep your legs under you because u dont wanna be taken down
in traditional boxing you spread your legs out more, lunge into your punches as theres no scare of being taken down or kneed in the face.
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Madtowntripper said:
If they aren't doing it in MMA, it's probably because it doesn't work.
If you go back and watch the first couple of UFC cards from back in the day when nobody really knew what would work and what wouldn't, you see all kinds of guys with fancy nin-jitsu or some such nonsense throwing flying spinning kicks in the middle of the ring.
Then they get tripped, put in an arm-bar, and submitted.
Alot of that shit is just not practical.
well said. Kung Fu and Wing Chun might've worked in middle school against kids who had no idea how to fight. it doesnt work against grown men who fight for a living. Even Jeet Kune Do isn't effective against modern MMA styles.
Muay Thai and BJJ are the most common MMA stles b/c they are the most effective.
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Re: UFC or MMA in general lame? [Re: uber_aj]
#8540512 - 06/19/08 11:39 AM (6 months, 17 days ago) |
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Wrestling....
It'll win you the fight but it's not the most entertaining thing to watch. Unless you love to do it.
So yeah, go do some of your wang chung crap wherever you want but you bring it in our cage and we will crush you!
Blah I was going to find some good graphics from the first few UFCs of karate idiots getting their ass whooped but google is not my friend.
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Re: UFC or MMA in general lame? [Re: Jadian]
#8541056 - 06/19/08 02:55 PM (6 months, 17 days ago) |
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Maybe they are just too proud for UFC?
Most of the UFC guys can't fight for shit
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dude do u know anything about fighting?
first, many traditional martial arts (tma) black belts have competed in MMA early on. they competed in the USA and in Japan. they all had their fucking asses beat, badly. this is when people started to realize most tma is just bullshit that doesnt work.
most of the reason tma is ineffective is because sparring was outlawed or made illegal by govts in places where TMA was practiced. USA mcdojo martial arts are so watered down they are a fucking joke. you buy a blackbelt.
there are a few guys who come from TMA and have used it to come into MMA. lyoto machida has used points sparring karate to become successful. georges st pierre came from a competitive karate (kyokushin) background. cung le is a tma practitioner who used kickboxing to perfect his skills. out of k1 you have guys like andy hug who dominated with karate skill.
when you refer to martial arts, you have to remember that boxing, western kick boxing, muay thai and wrestling are ALL martial arts. at one time the tma community even shunned judo and ju-jitsu grapplers. when it turns out their arts are 100% more effective in real world fighting.
im sorry you want to see crazy karate/kung-fu fights like in a movie. its not reality, go watch a movie. if you dont like the ground game and want to see stand up martial arts, go watch k-1.
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I do enjoy K-1 more than I do the UFC.
But I'm on the record as saying I just don't understand the ground game much at all.
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ground game is 90% of UFC.
What about having all the same things just with knock downs, etc?
What is or isnt against the rules in UFC anymore?
It has changed so much since it started.
I know you can't eye gouge or fishhook or stratch, etc.
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The ground is where real fights end up. Face it or watch boxing.
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ground game is 90% of UFC.
What about having all the same things just with knock downs, etc?
What is or isnt against the rules in UFC anymore?
It has changed so much since it started.
I know you can't eye gouge or fishhook or stratch, etc.
You may enjoy shootboxing from japan. It is standup only although it includes submissions and throws which is why it's also called standing vale tudo. It is pretty good.
just google nsac mma rules if you want unified rules
if you want real MMA, not that ufc stuff, check out DREAM
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Re: UFC or MMA in general lame? [Re: d33p]
#8544337 - 06/20/08 12:56 PM (6 months, 16 days ago) |
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LOL, is that pic supposed to be Dana White holding the puppet strings? pretty funny if it is.
to be completely honest, i got into MMA watching Crocop back in the Pride. I hated ground fighting and thought it was boring and less skilled than standup. after watching religiously for a few years, you start to understand wrestling and BJJ, and then it gets really interesting b/c you can watch the fighter setting up his submission attempt, and it becomes an intense build-up to a finishing move. then you see guys like Big Nog who pull blink-of-an-eye subs from their backs in dangerous positions, and you appreciate it even more.
i'd still rather watch Wandy or Anderson KO their opponents in brutal fashion, but ground fighting is a lot more interesting when you know what you're watching, instead of seeing two guys lay on each other in weird positions. then you have guys like Sherk who make ground fighting really gay b/c they're not trying to end the fight, but the same can be said for guys like big Tim who just try to jab their way to a decision win.
so to a casual viewer, it might seem like these guys would lose a bar fight, but you have to remember that they are fighting other professional fighters who know what they are doing. if you threw a UFC fighter against the drunk redneck talking shit about them in a bar, you'd get to see how overwhelmingly effective modern MMA techniques are.
and in the UFC, fighters cant use knees to a downed fighters' head, nor can they soccer kick said fighter, which takes away a lot of the shockingly badass KOs that Pride had.
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Re: UFC or MMA in general lame? [Re: uber_aj]
#8544449 - 06/20/08 01:21 PM (6 months, 16 days ago) |
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Yes, that is Dana "fucking" White.
I got into MMA watching Wanderlei but now I love grappling. It just takes some time to fully appreciate it. I hate wrestlers and point fighters though.
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Re: UFC or MMA in general lame? [Re: uber_aj]
#8544889 - 06/20/08 03:19 PM (6 months, 16 days ago) |
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uber_aj said:
so to a casual viewer, it might seem like these guys would lose a bar fight, but you have to remember that they are fighting other professional fighters who know what they are doing. if you threw a UFC fighter against the drunk redneck talking shit about them in a bar, you'd get to see how overwhelmingly effective modern MMA techniques are.
have you ever been bottle shanked?
fought someone with no where to move but towards them?
had your head slammed into a sidewalk?
I doubt a lot of ufc fighters would want to be in a bar fight with someone bigger than them.
300lb semi-drunk roidmonkey > skilled 165lb fighter with no where to run.
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Re: UFC or MMA in general lame? [Re: flavoraid]
#8545195 - 06/20/08 05:22 PM (6 months, 16 days ago) |
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Re: UFC or MMA in general lame? [Re: flavoraid]
#8545530 - 06/20/08 07:57 PM (6 months, 16 days ago) |
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flavoraid said:
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uber_aj said:
so to a casual viewer, it might seem like these guys would lose a bar fight, but you have to remember that they are fighting other professional fighters who know what they are doing. if you threw a UFC fighter against the drunk redneck talking shit about them in a bar, you'd get to see how overwhelmingly effective modern MMA techniques are.
have you ever been bottle shanked?
fought someone with no where to move but towards them?
had your head slammed into a sidewalk?
I doubt a lot of ufc fighters would want to be in a bar fight with someone bigger than them.
300lb semi-drunk roidmonkey > skilled 165lb fighter with no where to run.
i never said a 300lb roided up drunk guy would get crushed by a lightweight UFC fighter, weight and size always make a difference. and the bottle thing is just ridiculous, stabbing people is not fighting. im saying the drunk redneck who watches a UFC fight and talks about being able to beat Thiago Silva would get beat down violently. especially with no where to move, Muay Thai knees and elbows would own sloppy redneck punches.
ive never been bottle-shanked, but i have been DDT'd on tile floor, and i have beat the shit out of guy using elbows in an up-close fight.
that said, in you average street fight, even somebody with a little training will murder somebody who doesnt have any.
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Re: UFC or MMA in general lame? [Re: uber_aj]
#8545560 - 06/20/08 08:07 PM (6 months, 16 days ago) |
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ground fighting is unexistant in a bar fight.
you'll get your head stomped in trying to choke someone
mma doesn't really mean shit in a bar fight imo
muay thai or straight up boxing would give someone an advantage but main thing in a bar fight is slugging power hands down.
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Re: UFC or MMA in general lame? [Re: flavoraid]
#8545604 - 06/20/08 08:27 PM (6 months, 16 days ago) |
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ground fighting is unexistant in a bar fight.
you'll get your head stomped in trying to choke someone
mma doesn't really mean shit in a bar fight imo
muay thai or straight up boxing would give someone an advantage but main thing in a bar fight is slugging power hands down.
i'm not trying to argue that ground fighting is a good idea in a bar fight, its clearly not. a faggot in a Tapout cap tried to RNC me in a garage brawl, he got fucked up real quick.
but, slugging power isnt worth much if the other guy has good enough head movement to dodge your hay-makers and can break your ribs nose or jaw with one well placed and likely undefended MT knee. basic boxing/muay thai skills give a drastic advantage in any fight, bar street or cage. given fair weight, 9/10 times a trained Muay Thai fighter or boxer would demolish average Joe in a bar fight that doesnt involve weapons. thats my only point. yeah, you could always kick them in the balls or break a bottle, but i dont call that a fight. i call that a man vs. a pussy (unless your getting jumped or something).
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Re: UFC or MMA in general lame? [Re: uber_aj]
#8545715 - 06/20/08 09:16 PM (6 months, 16 days ago) |
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thats what bar fights are...
lol
but yeah boxing / muay thai > average joe 90% of the time if not more.
bar fights are usually shanking, stomping, 20 asians rushing the same guy, that kinda thing.
being kicked in the nuts is the least of my worries in a bar fight.
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Re: UFC or MMA in general lame? [Re: flavoraid]
#8545752 - 06/20/08 09:37 PM (6 months, 16 days ago) |
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flavoraid said:
thats what bar fights are...
lol
but yeah boxing / muay thai > average joe 90% of the time if not more.
bar fights are usually shanking, stomping, 20 asians rushing the same guy, that kinda thing.
being kicked in the nuts is the least of my worries in a bar fight.
i dunno, maybe bar fights go down differently here, its usually one group of guys against another, faces get stomped and jaws get smashed, but pulling a shank will usually get you fucked up even quicker. hardly anybody goes without at least a few people they know will be down to fight, at least nobody that ive met. not sure where you live but in austin we have whole streets shut down and dozens and dozens of bars/clubs open. there are at least 8 cops covering every section of 5th and 6th street.
they'll let you get away much easier from a brawl then a stabbing, so you dont see much of that. ive seen and had guns and knives pulled on me and my friends, but never in an actual bar.
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