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Huehuecoyotl said:
Aliens are predictable and boring. They always abduct people and give them anal probes, brain scans, implants, and impregnate them artificially. Reading this same old stuff over and over is just not entertaining.

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Predictable? Boring??

You have no evidence to back up this claim!

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c0sm0nautt said:
Yea its also messed up when people give you a 0 shroom rating for your belief in ETS...

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xFrockx said:
The problem is not that people post about aliens, but how people post about aliens. 

If I want to read some rambling with 10-20 emoticons, possibly separated line by line in a poetic fashion, I'll read M&P or Psychadelic experience.  This forum is primarily about argument, as it is the only real criteria that somthing can be forced to move from here to M&P, where argument is discouraged.
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I am probably one of the naysayers you are whining about nubious, and frankly, I feel my complaint was justified.  A thread that essentially says "Hey guys, look, aliens, WOO!" is not something that has a place in this forum in my opinion. 
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If someone created a thread about the philosophical or spiritual ideas behind alien life, then that thread would absolutely have a place here.  Questions like how religion would change, how people's perceptions of humanity would change, and a number of other questions that leave opportunity for worthwhile discussion could be not just appropriate, but enlightening.

The problem is, posts about aliens here are almost never like that.

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I have a challenge for you - Next time there's a post that isn't like that and is more of the "Look, aliens, WOO!" variant, try hijacking that thread via keeping it on topic though shifting the energy of the message towards a more appropriate flavour of literature?

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Veritas said:
This is the issue:

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If the presence of extra terrestrials WAS proved, don't you feel that would shift the attitudes of peoples spiritual beliefs?

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The key word here is "IF."  Since the existence of intelligent interstellar travelers has NOT been proven, there can be no discussion regarding the impact thereof which is not hypothetical.  This is the equivalent of posting "let's assume that demons exist...how does this impact your spirituality?"
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First, let me reiterate the definition of philosophy, as defined by Google (http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=2tb&q=define%3A+philosophy&btnG=Search&meta=) --
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Philosophy is the discipline concerned with the questions of how one should live (ethics); what sorts of things exist and what are their essential natures (metaphysics); what counts as genuine knowledge (epistemology); and what are the correct principles of reasoning (logic).
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Basically, I don't have to argue this one.  Your statement is based on inaccuracy, and is therefor moot, HOWEVER notice now that what we're doing here is EXACTLY what the definition describes! --> what are the correct principles of reasoning --> Your principles of reasoning are based on *your* definition of Philosophy, which in itself may not be incorrect based on your foundation of knowledge, but you need to look into the history of the origins of philosophy itself and realize that archetypes are theoretical ideas - they can't be proven to exist, yet they play an integral role in the history of that which you are debating..  If the Presocratics hadn't shifted their ways of thinking based on ideas that couldn't be proven in the first place, we may not even be talking this right now!  (Which may or may not be a good thing - you be the judge).

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Additionally, posters are welcome to introduce threads on any P&S-related topic here, so long as they are willing to have their ideas "challenged, refuted, disputed, rebutted, analyzed, shredded, pooh-poohed."  What continues to occur in this forum is that someone posts unsubstantiated claims, then becomes incensed when others dispute their claims and request substantiation.  This is the reason M&P was created, so that those who are interested in hypothetical, unsubstantiated discussion could avoid critical scrutiny of their ideas.
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What I would enjoy most is to see people stop telling people what they can and can't do.  If there's a problem, it will be dealt with, but let the problem present itself so that we may develop as a community - stifling ideas is as bad as censorship, and you here, not even a moderator, are trying to accomplish both!

I'd point and laugh, but we all know that's rude, so I'll just snicker to myself until you figure it out ;-)

Here where I'd start - The next time you feel offended or disagree with a post, stop and notice yourself disagreeing with the post.  Ask yourself what conditions in your history cause you to find yourself disagreeing with the authors ideas.  From there, realize that in noticing that you've disagreed, you've already looked at the situation from a 3rd party.  Now that you understand your perspective, try to understand the perspective of the person you don't side with.  What preconditions could have caused them to think this way, which by your understanding  very well may be ludicrous or inappropriate, but with your now-3rd-person-view, try to resolve once both sides of the story are understood.

Telling the guy with his hand up to sit down before he understands why his question isn't allowed is ok, but you better have a reason other than 'Because' ..  You don't make the rules.  There ARE no rules in fact!  If someone wants to come in here and post repetitive images of goatse, all that would do is show others how NOT to behave.  A social facilitator of sorts...  Thing is, that doesn't happen in these forums, which is why I enjoy them SO MUCH!  There's a lot of intelligent people in here..  Some of them maybe perhaps not as confident, which is why I make this point so avidly - you don't like it?  Let the mods sort it out.  Telling people what they can and can't do only downplays the forum with an overall negative blanket of energy which discourages people to contribute.

People should be encouraged to contribute.

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Icelander said:

Do I hear some whining coming from deep space?

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Space for everyone!

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Now prepare to have you ideas poo pooed and fuckin blah blah yada yada...

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I disagree - There's a difference between argument and conversational disagreance (sp?), and primarily the difference *I'm* concerned about is when people make claims based on assumptions of where other people are in their 'life quest' (if you will).. THAT irks me in ways I don't even know how to put into words effectively..

Constructive criticism.. More flies with honey vs sugar, etc.. You know the cliche's, but they're cliche for a reason.. Some people refuse to get it though and choose rather to flex their intellect by verbally 'overpowering' someone..

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I have a challenge for you - Next time there's a post that isn't like that and is more of the "Look, aliens, WOO!" variant, try hijacking that thread via keeping it on topic though shifting the energy of the message towards a more appropriate flavour of literature?

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Basically, I don't have to argue this one. Your statement is based on inaccuracy, and is therefor moot, HOWEVER notice now that what we're doing here is EXACTLY what the definition describes! --> what are the correct principles of reasoning --> Your principles of reasoning are based on *your* definition of Philosophy, which in itself may not be incorrect based on your foundation of knowledge, but you need to look into the history of the origins of philosophy itself and realize that archetypes are theoretical ideas - they can't be proven to exist, yet they play an integral role in the history of that which you are debating.. If the Presocratics hadn't shifted their ways of thinking based on ideas that couldn't be proven in the first place, we may not even be talking this right now! (Which may or may not be a good thing - you be the judge).

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nubious said:
What I would enjoy most is to see people stop telling people what they can and can't do.

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Here where I'd start - The next time you feel offended or disagree with a post, stop and notice yourself disagreeing with the post.

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you don't like it? Let the mods sort it out. Telling people what they can and can't do only downplays the forum with an overall negative blanket of energy which discourages people to contribute.

People should be encouraged to contribute.

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