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 War with Iran in the next 6 months?
#8428300 - 05/21/08 11:00 AM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Neocons Ready to Attack Iran, Nuke Sites Off the Target List
Kurt Nimmo
Truth News
May 4, 2008
"The neocons who run things over at the Pentagon want you to know — the coming attack on Iran has nothing to do with nukes, as they have maintained now for years, but rather Iran’s ability to protect itself.
“The Pentagon is drawing up plans for a ’surgical strike’ against an alleged insurgent training camp in Iran, according to the UK Sunday Times’ Michael Smith,” reports John Byrne for Raw Story. “Attributing the assertion to Western intelligence officials, Smith asserts that US officials have become increasingly frustrated with Iran’s Republican Guard force — an elite corps of the country’s military — which the Bush Administration has designated a terrorist group. Western officials have accused Iran of helping arming rebel militias in Iraq, and have accused Iran of supplying IEDs.”
Never mind over the weekend Iraq admitted they have no evidence Iran is supplying munitions to the “insurgents,” actually a well-organized resistance. Our “hawks,” i.e., neocon psychopaths who hate Iran and love Israel, know most of you cannot remember important events from day to day, especially when key events are buried on the Agence France Presse website.
Everything is going as planned, although the neocons thought they would have flattened Iran and killed untold numbers of toddlers and grandmothers by now.
Back in October of last year, Seymour Hersh, writing for the New Yorker, said the Pentagon neocons had drawn up plans to bomb Iran and shift emphasis from Iran’s illusory nuclear weapon program to the Revolutionary Guard. Earlier, in September, the Senate approved a resolution urging the Bush administration to designate Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps as a foreign terrorist organization. Not surprisingly, Joe Lieberman, the senator from Tel Aviv, sponsored this non-binding resolution along with neocon faithful, Jon Kyl. Now that all the pieces are in order, the attack on the Revolutionary Guard may commence. No doubt the neocons are pleased by the fact the Revolutionary Guard is situated in Tehran, along with a few million civilians.
Smith was the first to reveal the Downing Street Minutes, an account of a secret 2002 meeting between Bush Administration officials and British intelligence surrounding Iraq, in which MI6 director Richard Dearlove remarked that facts around Iraq were being “fixed” around a policy for war.
“US commanders are increasingly concerned by Iranian interference in Iraq and are determined that recent successes by joint Iraqi and US forces in the southern port city of Basra should not be reversed by the Quds Force,” Smith writes.”‘If the situation in Basra goes back to what it was like before, America is likely to blame Iran and carry out a surgical strike on a militant training camp across the border in Khuzestan,’” he quotes a defense official as saying.
Count on the “situation in Basra” (Shi’ites openly challenging U.S. occupiers) to worsen, same as the situation has steadily grown worse across the entire country, never mind all the fluff emanating from the neocons about the wonderful success of the “surge,” actually an excuse to put more occupation troops in Iraq.
American officials are opposed to any attack on Iranian nuclear facilities, Smith says. They believe, however, that an attack on a militant camp could send a message to the Republican Guard.
Indeed, it will send a message — and an Iranian “surge” all their own into southern Iraq. If there was not an excuse to aid and abet the Shi’a militias in Iraq before, there most certainly will be after the neocons cross over Iran’s border and bomb the Iranian military encamped in downtown Tehran.
CBS News reported last week about a potential strike on Iran.
“Targets would include everything from the plants where weapons are made to the headquarters of the organization known as the Quds Force which directs operations in Iraq,” they wrote.
Targets will also include water treatment plants, sewage facilities, schools, hospitals, mosques — you name it — same target list as was used in Iraq.
If an attack happens it will be on a training camp to send a clear message to Iran not to interfere,” one intelligence officer said.
It will likely also send a “clear message” Iran may commence with slinging Sunburn missiles at U.S. warships in the Persian Gulf. Not only warships but oil tankers as well, thus toppling world oil markets into a severe crisis.
But then this is the sort of dastardly scenario the neocons have entertained for some time. Don’t pay too much attention to the arguments that the neocons are cloistered eggheads, consumed by insane hubris, and have little idea of what they are doing. In order to defeat “Islamofascism,” the neocons need to draft millions of bullet stoppers and nothing will work toward that objective better than crippling the world’s petroleum-based economy."
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Personally, I think this administration is capable of anything at this point. War with Iran would be detrimental. If the war in Iraq hasn't crippled our country, War with Iran will surely drive us into the ground and turn us into a thrird world country.
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Re: War with Iran in the next 6 months? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#8428333 - 05/21/08 11:14 AM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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You do realize that by having 'infowars.com' in there, you lose half your audience in this forum. I'm not one of them, but just watch out for our resident neo-cons in denial.
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Re: War with Iran in the next 6 months? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#8428458 - 05/21/08 11:47 AM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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I don't think we could win.
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Re: War with Iran in the next 6 months? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#8428749 - 05/21/08 01:07 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Looking at how much the US is hurting due to the war in Iraq I don't think it's possible to go after Iran.
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White House denies story about attacking Iran
WASHINGTON - The White House on Tuesday denied a published report in Israel that said President Bush intends to attack Iran before the end of his term in January.
A story in the Jerusalem Post quoted a "senior official" there as saying that Bush plans to attack Iran in the coming months. The story says the unidentified official claimed that a "senior member" of Bush's traveling entourage made the statement about attacking Iran in a closed meeting. Bush was in Israel last week.
The article also says the unnamed Bush official said that Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney "were of the opinion that military action were called for."
"An article in today's Jerusalem Post about the president's position on Iran that quotes unnamed sources — quoting unnamed sources — is not worth the paper it's written on," White House press secretary Dana Perino said in a statement.
"Let me respond by reaffirming the policy of the administration: We, along with our international allies who want peace in the Middle East, remain opposed to Iran's ambitions to obtain a nuclear weapon," Perino said. "To that end, we are working to bring tough diplomatic and economic pressure on the Iranians to get them to change their behavior and to halt their uranium enrichment program."
Perino said the "president of the United States should never take options off the table, but our preference and our actions for dealing with this matter remain through peaceful diplomatic means. Nothing has changed in that regard."
Members of Congress were unmoved Tuesday by the allegation. Senators used a lengthy congressional hearing with Defense Secretary Robert Gates to discuss instead whether the U.S. should establish a direct dialogue with Tehran.
When asked to comment on the Jerusalem Post report, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said: "You're talking about an allegation without a source that has been denied by the president. I think we can leave it at that."
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Re: War with Iran in the next 6 months? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#8430180 - 05/21/08 07:25 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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I'll put money against any taker who are foolish enough to believe that we'll go to war with Iran before the end of this term.
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Re: War with Iran in the next 6 months? [Re: Redstorm]
#8430192 - 05/21/08 07:30 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Redstorm said:
I'll put money against any taker who are foolish enough to believe that we'll go to war with Iran before the end of this term.
i really hope you're right...
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Re: War with Iran in the next 6 months? [Re: Redstorm]
#8431017 - 05/21/08 10:50 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Quote:
Redstorm said:
I'll put money against any taker who are foolish enough to believe that we'll go to war with Iran before the end of this term.
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Re: War with Iran in the next 6 months? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#8432770 - 05/22/08 12:46 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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I've been hearing about this supposed upcoming Iranian war for nearly five years now and I'm calling bullshit. I really think the US would riot if Bush pulled that bullshit now. Also there's no money or resources for another war.
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Its not going to happen, look at venezuala right now, serious things are happening there right now. From my sources i've heard theirs a potential conflict.
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Re: War with Iran in the next 6 months? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#8433593 - 05/22/08 04:14 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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Re: War with Iran in the next 6 months? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#8436921 - 05/23/08 01:18 PM (4 months, 16 days ago) |
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The people of iran hate every thing YOU stand for. I find it ironic that you would support a religious/monarchy/dictator, over a Republic. Only an idiot would not understand that Iran is spending billions of dollars fighting us and our troops. If this Country were attacked by Iran, you would be the first one wining about not being ready. You would start some neo-con conspiracy rumor, and call for an impeachment of the President. By-the-way just what is a neo-con? It must be some sort of sarcasm fueled by an intense hatred. This hatred has clouded your mind to the point of being rediculous. What is your agenda, are you an anarchist,a socialist,a fascist, or just a left-wing liberal malcontent. Or maybe you are an anti-semite? You should go to Iran and see the truth. If religion ran the government here you would not stand for it, why would you anywhere else. Wake up!, you are parrotting the same filth as those who wish to destroy us are.
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Re: War with Iran in the next 6 months? [Re: C.M. Mann]
#8437205 - 05/23/08 02:55 PM (4 months, 16 days ago) |
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Nice irrelevant rant.
No one said anything about supporting Iran.
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Re: War with Iran in the next 6 months? [Re: C.M. Mann]
#8437258 - 05/23/08 03:19 PM (4 months, 16 days ago) |
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Quote:
C.M. Mann said:
The people of iran hate every thing YOU stand for. I find it ironic that you would support a religious/monarchy/dictator, over a Republic. Only an idiot would not understand that Iran is spending billions of dollars fighting us and our troops. If this Country were attacked by Iran, you would be the first one wining about not being ready. You would start some neo-con conspiracy rumor, and call for an impeachment of the President. By-the-way just what is a neo-con? It must be some sort of sarcasm fueled by an intense hatred. This hatred has clouded your mind to the point of being rediculous. What is your agenda, are you an anarchist,a socialist,a fascist, or just a left-wing liberal malcontent. Or maybe you are an anti-semite? You should go to Iran and see the truth. If religion ran the government here you would not stand for it, why would you anywhere else. Wake up!, you are parrotting the same filth as those who wish to destroy us are.
Incredible, I think that post may contain the most condensed quantity of "crash and burn" I've yet read here.
>> Only an idiot would not understand that Iran is spending billions of dollars fighting us and our troops.
Would only an idiot not understand that no evidence has been supplied to support this claim, to public, press, or Iraqi officials, who deny that such evidence exists? Yes, probably. The one time the US military was going to reveal a cache of found "Iranian weapons" they had to cancel the display last minute when they realized the weapons weren't of Iranian origin after all. A year ago they used the false reasoning that EFP's being found in Iraq could not have been made there and so must have come from Iran, but then they started finding EFP factories in Iraq, and that was the end of that obviously short-sighted non-sequitur. So really there is absolutely nothing to base an understanding of Iran supplying weapons on, but that certainly isn't going to stop the stupid from believing blindly.
Doubting the Evidence Against Iran
IRAQ: The elusive Iranian weapons
Iraqi official says Iran arms evidence not conclusive
U.S. Military Ignored Evidence of Iraqi-Made EFPs
Another Iraq EFP factory found
Talabani: Iran sends no weapon to Iraq
>> By-the-way just what is a neo-con? It must be some sort of sarcasm fueled by an intense hatred.
Why must it be that? No dictionaries in your sector of the internet? No search pages?
>> If religion ran the government here you would not stand for it 
If religion ran the government in the US?
>> The people of iran hate every thing YOU stand for.
 You must be completely nuts. Welcome to Politics, it shouldn't take too much for you to learn some things here.
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Re: War with Iran in the next 6 months? [Re: Disco Cat]
#8437393 - 05/23/08 04:01 PM (4 months, 16 days ago) |
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Idiots think actionable information is confined to a beyond a reasonable doubt standard. I tend to go with a preponderance of the evidence standard that applies in civil court. But I do understand how you would be more cognizant and respectful of criminal standards versus civil standards.
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Re: War with Iran in the next 6 months? [Re: zappaisgod]
#8437437 - 05/23/08 04:22 PM (4 months, 16 days ago) |
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The standard of evidence is sure easier to put forth when your standard of proving something is making unsupported guesses.
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Re: War with Iran in the next 6 months? [Re: zappaisgod]
#8437456 - 05/23/08 04:29 PM (4 months, 16 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
Idiots think actionable information is confined to a beyond a reasonable doubt standard. I tend to go with a preponderance of the evidence standard that applies in civil court. But I do understand how you would be more cognizant and respectful of criminal standards versus civil standards.
>> Idiots think actionable information is confined to a beyond a reasonable doubt standard.
Those would merely be polar opposites to the ones who would act with zero supportive evidence, on speculation and unreputable word alone. I'll partake in neither and wish you did the same.
>> I tend to go with a preponderance of the evidence standard that applies in civil court.
Haha, no, you don't. You're a pretty straight forward "speculation and unreputable word" type of person.
>> But I do understand how you would be more cognizant and respectful of criminal standards versus civil standards.
That's like a homeless alcoholic telling a person wearing cologne "you stink." Oinking at others won't get a pig clean, reality isn't as selectable as you suppose, and your understanding of "civil" is criminal.
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Re: War with Iran in the next 6 months? [Re: C.M. Mann]
#8437491 - 05/23/08 04:40 PM (4 months, 16 days ago) |
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C.M. Mann said:
Wake up!, you are parrotting the same filth as those who wish to destroy us are.
Who is this filth that wish to destroy us?
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Re: War with Iran in the next 6 months? [Re: Redstorm]
#8437570 - 05/23/08 05:08 PM (4 months, 16 days ago) |
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Only way we will have a war with Iran is if Hezbollah gets revenge for Mugniyeh and attacks Israel head on, it could be a type of proxy war that could drag in a shiite vs sunni conflict through out the region.
Sunni mid-east powers are way more freightened of a powerful Iran spreading shiite revolutionism then any Zionist.
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Re: War with Iran in the next 6 months? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#8437652 - 05/23/08 05:42 PM (4 months, 16 days ago) |
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I don't think that will be the standard. Israel can handle Hezbollah if they decide to. That's pretty clear. Mugniyeh? His eradication was a service to humanity.
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Re: War with Iran in the next 6 months? [Re: zappaisgod]
#8437705 - 05/23/08 05:59 PM (4 months, 16 days ago) |
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From a purely logistical aspect I think Hezbollah has done pretty well for a nonstate group, they've got a iron grip on their quasi-state in Lebanon, the july 06 war showed that non-state groups are plenty capable of taking on state actors like Israel.
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