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 Re: Studios win $100 million judgment against TorrentSpy [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#8411476 - 05/16/08 11:46 PM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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http://www.webuser.co.uk/news/255741.html
TorrentSpy ordered to pay $111m
May 8, 2008
JJ O'Donoghue
Web User: TorrentSpy hit with $111m fine TorrentSpy, the file-sharing website, has been ordered to pay $111m (about £56m) in damages to the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) for breaches of copyright law.
The ruling from a US court comes only weeks after the site was shut down.
TorrentSpy facilitated the sharing of copyright material by hosting links to thousands of music, TV and film files, often without rightsholder's permission. However, no copyrighted material was actually hosted on TorrentSpy's servers.
The presiding judge ordered site operator Justin Bunnell and his associates to pay the maximum $30,000 for "each of the 3,699 infringements shown."
"This substantial money judgment sends a strong message about the illegality of these sites," said Dan Glickman, chairman of the MPAA.
TorrentSpy was a US-based torrent tracking server that shut up shop on 24 March.
On its website it says that: "The legal climate in the USA for copyright, privacy of search requests and links to torrent files in search results is simply too hostile".
It goes on to say that "It was a wild ride", not to mention a costly one. The fine is one of the largest ever handed out in US copyright history.
The MPAA allegedly paid a hacker $15,000 to procure internal TorrentSpy emails and correspondence.
Reaction to the fine has been varied. On the Shroomery message board, one poster wrote: "Torrent files themselves contain no copyrighted material. On top of that, TorrentSpy actually contained no torrent files, but was just a search engine through and index of torrent files. More or less, it is a Google for torrent files".
A poster in favour of the fine said: "I say 'chalk one up for the good guys' and give out a pre-emptive middle finger to all the losers that think they have the right to steal whatever they are able to".
US District Judge Florence-Marie Cooper ordered the site permanently closed. TorrentSpy has appealed the verdict.
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Re: Studios win $100 million judgment against TorrentSpy [Re: supra]
#8411491 - 05/16/08 11:51 PM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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I say "chalk one up for the good guys" and give out a preemptive middle finger to all the losers that think they have the right to steal whatever they are able to.
I won't complain when they torture you to death.
lol...yeah, it is kind of funny in the big picture of things, even if these artists music/movies/whatever is being 'stolen', they still make more than enough money. It doesn't bother me in the least to think that any said superstar is going to be able to afford one less condo in an exotic location. I think 4 houses over half a million should suffice...
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what a steaming load of shit.
tell me what you know about the finances of movie stars and musicians. you dont know dick about it. because if you did, you would atleast realize that you arent stealing money from them.
you are hurting the recording industry. personally, I cant speak for the film industry because I am not that close to it, but the article is basically about stealing intellectual property.
who are you to say "they have enough money"? America is a capitalist nation... now maybe you dont agree with capitalism, but it is what this country is loosly founded upon.
there is a cause and effect that isnt even thought of by you people... because you are too busy screaming "rape" while you steal property.
you start to screw over the recording industry, you start to screw over bands. you start to screw over bands, you start to screw over artistic integrity. when you screw over artistic integrity, you screw over music.
these companies are an integral part of art, and most importantly, the american dream. the basis that anyone can come to america and be a millionaire rockstar.
you arent screwing over metallica, or the big record company (because you are just so rebellious like that :rolleye:)... you are screwing over the industry, which employs millions of people, whose life and wellbeing depend on a thriving industry. from concerts, to cds, from songwriters to recording studios.
whatever industry you are in, I hope that there is some overwhelming popularity through ignorance and selfishness that eventually financially fucks you over.
this robin hood excuse you guys give is pretty fuckin retarded....
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Re: Studios win $100 million judgment against TorrentSpy [Re: YawningAnus]
#8411824 - 05/17/08 02:46 AM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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Looks like we have a reporter in our midst.
(Is it even within site rules to quote posts, I thought all posts were considered private).
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Re: Studios win $100 million judgment against TorrentSpy [Re: YawningAnus]
#8412498 - 05/17/08 11:21 AM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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I say "chalk one up for the good guys" and give out a preemptive middle finger to all the losers that think they have the right to steal whatever they are able to.
I won't complain when they torture you to death.
lol...yeah, it is kind of funny in the big picture of things, even if these artists music/movies/whatever is being 'stolen', they still make more than enough money. It doesn't bother me in the least to think that any said superstar is going to be able to afford one less condo in an exotic location. I think 4 houses over half a million should suffice...
peace
what a steaming load of shit.
tell me what you know about the finances of movie stars and musicians. you dont know dick about it. because if you did, you would atleast realize that you arent stealing money from them.
you are hurting the recording industry. personally, I cant speak for the film industry because I am not that close to it, but the article is basically about stealing intellectual property.
who are you to say "they have enough money"? America is a capitalist nation... now maybe you dont agree with capitalism, but it is what this country is loosly founded upon.
there is a cause and effect that isnt even thought of by you people... because you are too busy screaming "rape" while you steal property.
you start to screw over the recording industry, you start to screw over bands. you start to screw over bands, you start to screw over artistic integrity. when you screw over artistic integrity, you screw over music.
these companies are an integral part of art, and most importantly, the american dream. the basis that anyone can come to america and be a millionaire rockstar.
you arent screwing over metallica, or the big record company (because you are just so rebellious like that :rolleye:)... you are screwing over the industry, which employs millions of people, whose life and wellbeing depend on a thriving industry. from concerts, to cds, from songwriters to recording studios.
whatever industry you are in, I hope that there is some overwhelming popularity through ignorance and selfishness that eventually financially fucks you over.
this robin hood excuse you guys give is pretty fuckin retarded....
first off, fuck you, i produce so called 'intellectual property' for a living. Now i don't make art, but I do write code, and release software. While the excuse may be lame, the recording industry also harms your so called integrity of art. I watch tons of live music and gladly pay to get into the concerts/bars/other venues where these are being held. The recording industry picks bands and other performers based not solely off of skill, but appearance as well. I have seen many bands that stomp the shit out of anything you will find in a music store, and buy there cd's right there at the bar.
you don't know shit about me, I don't even download music as is, most of what is online is shit, but when I did, i didn't feel bad in the least...also, as far as i see it, if the artist won't produce his art because he won't get paid enough to do so, he was never a real artist to begin with.
As far as I can tell, this has been happening for a very long time, and music is still here, i turn on my radio in the car, and sound still comes out.
I guess you work in the recording industry? Maybe you should be the one to tell them to get their heads out of their asses, you can't stop the flow of information, so might as well find a way to use it to your advantage.
Radiohead's last album was released on their site for download, for any price you want to pay for it. Not everyone paid, but I think it was round 60% of people paid, and it averaged out to 8 or 9 dollars. I hope they keep fighting, and keep losing, it makes me laugh my ass off. I hope they try and sue all search engines for that matter, google, yahoo, msn, all of them...best of luck 'saving' your industry that is upset they can no longer make the overflow of cash they used to. Businesses don't last forever, they come and go, get used to it.
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Re: Studios win $100 million judgment against TorrentSpy [Re: supra]
#8412531 - 05/17/08 11:39 AM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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Good point Supra, this is just the record labels trying to herd us all into accepting a climate where we can be told which pre-packaged music to buy. If they lost control of our buying habits and we started going local, there'd be no money for them.
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Re: Studios win $100 million judgment against TorrentSpy [Re: Ferris]
#8413511 - 05/17/08 04:01 PM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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this conversation might be getting somewhere if you guys had any idea of what you were talking about.
maybe go find out about how music works....
maybe find out how many african, latin, asian rockstars their are.
maybe find out how much money it costs to break a band.
find out how much money those bands have to pay back.
find out how interconnected these industries ae, and how when a prime source of income stops, it affects every facet of the industry.
why dont you go find out what record labels are responsible for funding some of your favorite bands and making it possible for you to have that music.
you want to sit there and say "todays music is shit". then dont download it.
if you want to send your (progressive...) message to the industry, just dont buy or steal any of their products or services.
dont use your mp3 player, dont turn on the radio, dont use jukeboxes, dont go to concerts.
you want to say that you go and support the bands you like by going to their concert.... well why do you think they are touring? so they can pay back the labels for the half a million dollar loan they got to make the album.
and if you must know, I am a FOH/monitor engineer... not a recording engineer.
I live in Nashville and talk to people like the president of ASCAP, BMI, studio owners, national acts, studio musicans, sonwriters, venue owners, booking agents, opening bands, the people that sell and rent out Prevost touring buses, cartage, touring supplies, practice space....
everyone is affected when the huge chunk of money that the recording industry was going to spend on bands that would in turn utilize all these facets of the industry... isnt there.
so yeah, you dont know dick about the music industry... because if you did you wouldnt be acting like it was no big deal and trying to act all hard and justify how everything is shit except the things you really want enough to steal.
fucking losers.
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Re: Studios win $100 million judgment against TorrentSpy *DELETED* [Re: YawningAnus]
#8416533 - 05/18/08 02:17 PM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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Re: Studios win $100 million judgment against TorrentSpy [Re: spock1]
#8416691 - 05/18/08 02:46 PM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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dave matthews... he is from africa.
and I said they should send their message by not using their products or services.
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Re: Studios win $100 million judgment against TorrentSpy [Re: YawningAnus]
#8417134 - 05/18/08 04:39 PM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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this conversation might be getting somewhere if you guys had any idea of what you were talking about.
maybe go find out about how music works....
Who cares? The law is the law, its not based on equity.
The penalties provided for in the copyright statutes are likely unconstitutional, but as for the actual penalizing of I.P. theft I'm fine with it.
I download stuff. Course I don't find this morally wrong cuz I would never buy the movies/music I download. The only thing I might do is have a netflix subscription or a movie store renatl agreement. So in that sense I'm stealing.
BUt I don't contend that its stealing, morally, to take something doesn't at all effect the product or the possesory rights of the owner. If I steal even a thimble of water, that lessens the amount of water the company has that I stole. If I download an album that I never would have bought for 15$, this in no way effects the possesory right of the party under an equitable construction. I don't see how they're harmed by me viewing something they didn't want me to see w/out payment. I agree this action should be punished under law, but I feel comfortable doing it morraly.
Of course when I further upload the album to equalize my share ratio I guess I'd have lost that argument. And I probably would have a netflix account if not for torrents.
So I'm not that pure :/
But I'm certainly not harming the industry in the numbers they likely assign to my actions. I'd never have bought any of the movies I've downloaded, so at most I've harmed them by not buying a netflix subscription, something they see a small amount of profits on.
And if I can blame the studios here...
I and most likely others wouldn't have started downloading so many movies if you could stream them online of rreasonable rental prices. As it is netflix is only now providing this service.
Where the fuck were the networks in early 2000? Even now the legitimate sources are slim...
I don't want to wait days to get something in the mail, and I like the convenience of only having a software format to deal w/, not physical disks.
I contend the studios cost themselves lots of money by being jackasses and not embracing downloadable movies from the start. Now they're just starting to catch up, whereas I can find 20 year old films I couldn't even get if I didn't buy them from a distributor....
So why did the studios shoot themselves in the foot when they had a chance to quench the emerging form of piracy? I certainly would have gotten a subscription back in 2000 to get streaming/downloadable movies from the studios?
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Re: Studios win $100 million judgment against TorrentSpy [Re: Ferris]
#8425984 - 05/20/08 08:54 PM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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It's not as if this is going to put a dent in file sharing. The can knock down these public ones all they want and a new one hosted outside the company will pop up in its place. That's not even taking into account the private sites which are much more secure.
Downloading media is stealing and is wrong, but I'll continue to do it anyways. As soon as these companies begin charging a reasonable market rate, I'll be right back on board with buying movies again.
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Re: Studios win $100 million judgment against TorrentSpy [Re: Redstorm]
#8426094 - 05/20/08 09:21 PM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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Remember, you are a market force
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Re: Studios win $100 million judgment against TorrentSpy [Re: YawningAnus]
#8431828 - 05/22/08 04:37 AM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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> this conversation might be getting somewhere if you guys had any idea of what you were talking about.
You are talking about the corrupt recording industry, yes? The industry players that were found guilty of price fixing? The industry that actively breaks the law by requiring huge payments to promote new acts on the radio? The only industry more sleazy than the porn industry? The industry that prevents me from backing up my own media; a right protected by law. The industry that tried to get a law passed allowing them to destroy any computer suspected (no courts, no trial, no recourse) of holding copyrighted material. The industry that installed malware on computers in an attempt to prevent copyright infringements. The industry that would rather blame "pirates" than accept that they have new competition from alternate forms of entertainment. The industry that refuses to move into the digital age. (I'm not talking about the artists, or the professionals that record, mix, etc. I'm talking about the corrupt companies and executives that run them.)
I will never forgive the recording industry for pushing that load of DMCA crap on to us. When the DMCA passed, I stopped purchasing entertainment media and started to copy it instead. My own little protest against an unjust law. (I had purchased over 300 DVDs before the DMCA.) I also actively work on opensource software to defeat DRM or any other BS that the recording attempts to use to prevent me from making a legal backup of my media.
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Re: Studios win $100 million judgment against TorrentSpy [Re: Seuss]
#8432106 - 05/22/08 08:21 AM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Re: Studios win $100 million judgment against TorrentSpy [Re: Seuss]
#8432636 - 05/22/08 12:07 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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I will never forgive the recording industry for pushing that load of DMCA crap on to us. When the DMCA passed, I stopped purchasing entertainment media and started to copy it instead. My own little protest against an unjust law. (I had purchased over 300 DVDs before the DMCA.) I also actively work on opensource software to defeat DRM or any other BS that the recording attempts to use to prevent me from making a legal backup of my media.
What don't you like about that law?
In my mind, all that's rotten is the "anti-circumvention" section. All they need to do is add fair use exceptions to that bar, and it'll be cool. As it is, the court's have trimmed it back a little to at least the plain langauage- as some folks wanted it to cover everything, even non-copyritten stuff.
The takedown/counter-notice/safe-harbor stuff all seems fair to me. Trouble is, people pee their pants and don't stand up for themselves when they get a takedown notice, and don't issue counter-notices. And then the content hoster has no real incentive to repost the infringing item- other than no liability.
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Re: Studios win $100 million judgment against TorrentSpy [Re: johnm214]
#8433126 - 05/22/08 02:14 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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> In my mind, all that's rotten is the "anti-circumvention" section.
The DMCA makes it illegal for me to learn or teach something. I find that concept repugnant.
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-530420.html?legacy=zdnn
http://cryptome.org/usa-v-sklyarov.htm
http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2008/04/21-5
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Re: Studios win $100 million judgment against TorrentSpy [Re: Seuss]
#8433282 - 05/22/08 02:57 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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ok yeah, and that's all the anti-circumvention stuff.
Like I said, that's the rotten part of the DMCA. If you remove that, its actually a fairly decent law, which protects many people from unjust lawsuits and allows people victimized by false infringement notices a means by which to repost their material, providing the hoster isn't an ignoramus or has a contract w/ you or something, and sue for damages.
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Re: Studios win $100 million judgment against TorrentSpy [Re: johnm214]
#8433454 - 05/22/08 03:40 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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> If you remove that, its actually a fairly decent law
Agree, and I have no issue with the other aspects of the law. It is the part that the noble recording industry pushed through, making my hobby of reverse engineering illegal, that has me annoyed. The recording industries right to protect their IP is not greater than a person's right to learn and to teach others. I also don't care for how the DMCA has set the 'standard big-3' for other forms of copyrighted media, but this is a minor annoyance compared to the anti-circumvention BS.
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Re: Studios win $100 million judgment against TorrentSpy *DELETED* [Re: Seuss]
#8433459 - 05/22/08 03:42 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Re: Studios win $100 million judgment against TorrentSpy [Re: spock1]
#8433541 - 05/22/08 04:01 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Apples to oranges. The laws of a third world country have nothing to do with the laws of the US.
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Re: Studios win $100 million judgment against TorrentSpy *DELETED* [Re: Seuss]
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