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Re: Suicide Blame Game: Personal Responsibility Reaches A New Low [Re: Diploid]
    #8411003 - 05/16/08 09:14 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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You made me yell at my cat and take things out on him.




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You BOTH deserve twenty years imprisonment for that crap.... :nono:


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Re: Suicide Blame Game: Personal Responsibility Reaches A New Low [Re: flavoraid]
    #8413039 - 05/17/08 02:13 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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How would you treat the situation if I went to a middle school and told a 12-13 year old girl that I was going to kill her family if she didn`t jump infront of a bus... yeah same idea...





This is entirely different how dare you call this the same situation.

You are threatening the girl. The woman did not threaten this 13 yr old, she said that the world would be better off without her. That is entirely different than threatening murder.

While I do agree that it is pretty low for a 46 year old woman to taunt a 13 year old girl, I don't think she should get more than 2 years for this.

What I still don't understand is A. why kill yourself over a person you never met and B. Why didn't she just refuse to keep reading the messages?


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Re: Suicide Blame Game: Personal Responsibility Reaches A New Low [Re: Diploid]
    #8413829 - 05/17/08 05:56 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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WTF! 20 years for being mean to a drooling moron on the internet. The way I see it, this is natural selection at its best.

And the mother of the moron? Why isn't SHE the one in trouble?

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LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A 49-year-old Missouri woman accused of pretending to be a love-struck teenage boy on MySpace and driving a 13-year-old girl to suicide with cruel messages was indicted on Thursday on federal charges.

Prosecutors say Lori Drew and others created the fake MySpace persona of a 16-year-old boy to woo neighbor Megan Meier for several weeks, then abruptly ended the relationship and said the world would be better off without her.

Meier's 2006 suicide by hanging, just hours after she read those final messages, made worldwide headlines and prompted calls for social networking sites like MySpace to crack down on cyber-bullying.

"This adult woman allegedly used the Internet to target a young teenage girl, with horrendous ramifications," U.S. Attorney Thomas O'Brien said in announcing the indictment in Los Angeles, where MySpace is based.

"Any adult who uses the Internet or a social gathering Web site to bully or harass another person, particularly a young teenage girl, needs to realize that their actions can have serious consequences," O'Brien said.

Experts said the indictment, which was handed down in Los Angeles after Missouri authorities declined to prosecute Drew, was a first of its kind and could stretch the bounds of the federal statute on which it was based.

"We are in uncharted waters here," University of Southern California law professor and former federal prosecutor Rebecca Lonergan told Reuters. "This case is unprecedented and it's also a very aggressive charging decision."

Lonergan said Drew was charged with accessing a protected computer to obtain information, a statute typically used against defendants who hack into government computers.

"While I think most people agree that it merits punishment to harass a young girl to the point where she commits suicide, it's not clear that this conduct is covered by this federal statute," she said.

A FICTIONAL BOY

Prosecutors say Drew, mother of a teenage girl who had a falling out with Meier, and several others created a profile for the fictional "Josh Evans," using the picture of an unwitting teenage boy.

They then contacted Meier, who lived four doors away in O'Fallon, Missouri, through MySpace as "Josh" and spent several weeks flirting with her before ending the relationship on October 15, 2006.

Several hours after the final message, Meier, who had argued with her mother over the relationship, hanged herself in the closet of her bedroom in a St. Louis suburb, still unaware that "Josh" did not exist.

The indictment charges that after Meier killed herself, Drew had the phony MySpace account deleted and warned a girl who knew about it that she should "keep her mouth shut."

After the incident became widely known, the Drew family was shunned by members of the community, targeted for abuse on the Internet and their small advertising business was vandalized.

Drew, who faces a maximum sentence of 20 years in federal prison if she is convicted on all of the charges, was expected to surrender to authorities in Missouri.

Reuters




Suicide is painless. :thumbup::monkeydance: Darwin awards all around.:lol:


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Re: Suicide Blame Game: Personal Responsibility Reaches A New Low [Re: Diploid]
    #8414065 - 05/17/08 07:15 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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I think thirteen is pretty young to be playing the personal responsibility card

Thirteen is plenty old, and apparently old enough to chase boys on the internet.

What if some stranger invited her into his car and she stoopidly hopped in, then was killed by the guy. Would she qualify for the drooling moron award then?

Of course she would.




Ad hominem, non-sequitur, and begging the question.

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Why do people like this even bother having kids? They should stick to cats.




Ad hominem and red herring.

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I think she is completely deserving of this sentence

Sure, let's make it illegal to be mean to people on the internet. Half of the OTD regulars here would go to jail then.

While we're at it, let's make nasty words like "Fuck", and "Shit" illegal. Think of the children. Sure!

Or maybe we should recognize that this girl was 100% responsible for her own actions.

It's sucks that we ALREADY have to censor ourselves in this absurdly PC society we live in for fear of hurting someone's feelings. Now having to fear a prison sentence if I write the wrong thing sucks even more. And that's the next logical slide on a slippery slope. First you go to jail if you're mean to a kid, next you'll go to jail if you're mean to an adult. After that, it only makes sense that you go to jail if you offend someone.

Yeah, the lady in question was deliberate;u being an asshole. So what? That shouldn't be illegal.




Slippery slope fallacy, equivocation, and dicto secundum quid ad dictum simpliciter.

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Shame on you.

OMG you are soooo mean! You made me really upset. You made me yell at my cat and take things out on him. You made me kick a hole in the wall. You even made me cry.

I hope you don't make me kill myself too. :bitch:

What am I trying to say here? That we are all responsible for our own actions, including suicide. Blaming another is shirking personal responsibility.




Appeal to ridicule and red herring.

Just sayin.


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Re: Suicide Blame Game: Personal Responsibility Reaches A New Low [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #8414676 - 05/17/08 09:43 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

Aahh, ya got me.

But hey, when in Rome... If I argued rigorously, experience has repeatedly shown me that most of the audience wouldn't understand and would respond with fallacies instead of rigor. It's overwhelming. Colloquial mode seems to work better here.


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Re: Suicide Blame Game: Personal Responsibility Reaches A New Low [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #8414686 - 05/17/08 09:45 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

Dammmmnnnn.... Get all technical and shyt~..... :sherlock:


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Re: Suicide Blame Game: Personal Responsibility Reaches A New Low [Re: learningtofly]
    #8414843 - 05/17/08 10:41 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

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Quote:

flavoraid said:

How would you treat the situation if I went to a middle school and told a 12-13 year old girl that I was going to kill her family if she didn`t jump infront of a bus... yeah same idea...





This is entirely different how dare you call this the same situation.

You are threatening the girl. The woman did not threaten this 13 yr old, she said that the world would be better off without her. That is entirely different than threatening murder.

While I do agree that it is pretty low for a 46 year old woman to taunt a 13 year old girl, I don't think she should get more than 2 years for this.

What I still don't understand is A. why kill yourself over a person you never met and B. Why didn't she just refuse to keep reading the messages?




same idea.. I'm looking to get a rise out of a young individual.

so... that 13 yr old girl didn't know if that person really killed himself..

this 12-13 yr old girl doesn't know if I'll really kill her family...

sure the women didn't threaten the girl but she knew what she was doing... maybe she only wanted to scar her for life but she did a bit more.

also what do you mean you don't understand? your basically implying you don't understand why something like this is plausible.

you're not a 13 year old girl and you don't know what her life was like. you also don't know how long they were actually talking or what was said.


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Re: Suicide Blame Game: Personal Responsibility Reaches A New Low [Re: flavoraid]
    #8415892 - 05/18/08 10:26 AM (3 months, 17 days ago)

I don't know who's to blame for the suicide, but a 46 year old pretending to be a 13 year old boy and flirting with 13 year old girls.

Can you say "to catch a predator"?

Lock her up let Darwin sort em out:bye:


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