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 AnarchoTrip
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Why is the US such close allies with Israel? I have no idea about the history between these two countries. Someone give me some footnotes, please.
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The United States was the first country to recognize Israel, just minutes after it declared its independence in 1948, but it took Washington nearly 20 years before it began to provide Israel with military aid.
Since then, the relationship between the two countries has grown to become one of the closest and most controversial alliances in history.
A combination of Cold War calculus, which drove the United States to oppose Soviet-armed Arab states, united with an authentic friendship and admiration of Israel to forge a bond that has never been broken.
For some evangelical Christians, the alliance is a union of two promised lands - the biblical land of Moses and a superpower that claims to be "One Nation Under God."
Today, Israel is the largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid in the world, having received nearly US$140-billion in direct military and economic assistance since 1973.
This year's U.S. budget alone calls for $2.42-billion in U.S. aid to Israel, including $2.38-billion in military aid and $39.6-million in assistance for the resettlement of refugees.
Israel receives that aid on better terms than any other nation in the world.
For example, Israel can use up to 25% of its U.S. military assistance for purchases from Israeli manufacturers and it gets most of its foreign assistance from Washington in one lump sum early in the year, instead of in instalments, like all other aid recipients.
When this year's budget was passed, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the leading pro-Israel U.S. lobby group, confidently declared: "The U.S.-Israel relationship is the keystone of America's policy in the Middle East, and our enduring partnership with our democratic ally Israel is one of our nation's key strategic assets."
During the Cold War, former U.S. Secretary of State Alexander Haig described Israel as the largest U.S. aircraft carrier in the world, noting it couldn't be sunk, does not carry a single U.S. soldier and is located in a critical region for U.S. national security.
More recently, Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton responded without hesitation, when asked during a televised debate what she would do if Iran ever made a nuclear attack on Israel: "If I'm the president, we will attack Iran. We would be able to totally obliterate them."
Critics in both countries have raised concerns over the longstanding alliance, arguing it limits each country's room to manoeuvre in their own national interest.
Yuval Levin, of the Jerusalem-based Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies, has argued that U.S. aid to Israel has slowed economic growth by bloating government spending. With 70% of Israel's GDP coming from government spending and a third of the Israeli workforce on the public payroll, Mr. Yuval says Israelis are living beyond their means and can only do so because of American aid.
In the United States, political scientists John Mearsheimer, of the University of Chicago, and Stephen Walt, of Harvard, created a political storm when they argued that the United States has set aside its own security interests to advance those of Israel.
Israel is a liability in the war on terror, they argued in The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, saying unwavering U.S. support for Israel has inflamed Arab and Islamic opinion against Washington.
When their arguments were widely attacked and criticized, the two authors replied: "Anyone who criticizes Israel's actions or argues that pro-Israel groups have significant influence over U.S. Middle East policy stands a good chance of being labelled an anti-Semite."
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Why is the US such close allies with Israel? I have no idea about the history between these two countries. Someone give me some footnotes, please.
because there are alot of jews here, and they are responsible for helping israel exist. oh and the billions of dollars we "donate" to them annually.
i have nothing against jews, but FUCK israel. without us they wouldnt exist. and they shouldnt. they stole that land unlawfully from the people who lived there. 
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Why is the US such close allies with Israel? I have no idea about the history between these two countries. Someone give me some footnotes, please.
The USA is such close allies with israel because we put them in power as a country in 1948 on land stolen from the palestenians.... thus providing them with a homeland, among other reasons, jews own all the banks and media outlets along with either paper or TV or internet info sources... and have power beyond belief and being part Jewish I always thought it was funny how its is the only religious group asoccialted with a race..... which leaves obvious reason to wonder why were so close to the Jews?...They got the power religiously, race wise and money/Media concerned...So of course the USA is gonna be allies with the most powerful group in the world...
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The United States was the first country to recognize Israel, just minutes after it declared its independence in 1948, but it took Washington nearly 20 years before it began to provide Israel with military aid.
officially. we have provided military aid to many groups and countries over the years unofficially.
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i have nothing against jews, but FUCK israel. without us they wouldnt exist. and they shouldnt. they stole that land unlawfully from the people who lived there.
So Jews never controlled that land?
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The USA is such close allies with israel because we put them in power as a country in 1948 on land stolen from the palestenians.... thus providing them with a homeland
US did not give Jews the land.
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i have nothing against jews, but FUCK israel. without us they wouldnt exist. and they shouldnt. they stole that land unlawfully from the people who lived there.
So Jews never controlled that land?
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The USA is such close allies with israel because we put them in power as a country in 1948 on land stolen from the palestenians.... thus providing them with a homeland
US did not give Jews the land.
who knows if they did or didnt. but what i do know is that if they did a LONG time ago, they lost it.
and actually yes, we helped them gain that land. i just read a huge article the other day in the paper about the tens of thousands of palestinians who were uprooted and were never allowed to go back to their homes again. homes, businesses and land were TAKEN forcefully. and they were not copmpensated a DIME.
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who knows if they did or didnt. but what i do know is that if they did a LONG time ago, they lost it.
Who knows? If you know your history then you should know that the Jews controlled that land before the Palestinians.
Now they control it again. The Palestinians LOST it.
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and actually yes, we helped them gain that land. i just read a huge article the other day in the paper about the tens of thousands of palestinians who were uprooted and were never allowed to go back to their homes again. homes, businesses and land were TAKEN forcefully. and they were not copmpensated a DIME.
So you are 100% positive that US gave the Jews that land?
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Wasn't Palestine Occupied by Great Britain and GB turned over some of the land to the new Israel in 1948???
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#8410406 - 05/16/08 05:55 PM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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Wasn't Palestine Occupied by Great Britain and GB turned over some of the land to the new Israel in 1948???
Yep. If I recall correctly the US wasn't a major supporter of Israel when it was first established.
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Another thing: I fully support the establishment of Israel HOWEVER I do not support Olmert or any of those fucking cunts colonizing the surrounding lands. The fucking cock sucking right wing religious Jews and Christians are ones pushing that bullshit. Not to mention the fact that some faggot ass Christian pastor said that Sharone went into a coma because God punished him for withdrawing from Gaza. Even though I bet a lot of people here hate Sharon... the guy that tried to make peace. Too bad he fell into a fucking coma.
Even though the Jews controlled A LOT more land in the past than they do now the orthodox Jews should have been prevented from settling surrounding areas. But then again even after they settled the original land they still got attacked because a lot of Muslims do not want ANY1 but Muslims controlling those areas. The same reason Osama got pissed when US stationed troops in Saudi Arabia. A lot of Muslims HATE the idea of anyone but Muslims controlling or having a large presence in certain areas specifically Israel, Mecca, etc.
So before any1 here bitches about Jews controlling that region you should really take a look at a lot of the Muslims.
If there was a world government powerful enough to wage successful wars then they should definitely make Jerusalem an international area because both, Muslims and Jews, have been fighting over that shit before America was even established. Shiet, Jews have been fighting over that shit before there was even Islam.
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who knows if they did or didnt. but what i do know is that if they did a LONG time ago, they lost it.
Who knows? If you know your history then you should know that the Jews controlled that land before the Palestinians.
Now they control it again. The Palestinians LOST it.
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and actually yes, we helped them gain that land. i just read a huge article the other day in the paper about the tens of thousands of palestinians who were uprooted and were never allowed to go back to their homes again. homes, businesses and land were TAKEN forcefully. and they were not copmpensated a DIME.
So you are 100% positive that US gave the Jews that land?
youre right, they did. at least parts of it. they never controlled it entirely, they did live in the region for a while. and yes, they lost it, with the help of the fucking british and US. without us and the bullshit treaties we helped pass through the UN they wouldnt have ever gained the land. it was GIVEN to them. if they would have fought for the land without our help they would not have succeeded.
nope. i never said we gave it to them. i said we HELPED them. the british helped more than we did though.
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Wasn't Palestine Occupied by Great Britain and GB turned over some of the land to the new Israel in 1948???
Yep. If I recall correctly the US wasn't a major supporter of Israel when it was first established.
not so much the government, truman was a big supporter though. most of the support from this country came from the zionists here.
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The land wasnt given to them. They fought their war of independence in '48 and won without help from the US, the UN or any other power.
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basically its a western stronghold in the middle east.
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Another thing: I fully support the establishment of Israel HOWEVER I do not support Olmert or any of those fucking cunts colonizing the surrounding lands. The fucking cock sucking right wing religious Jews and Christians are ones pushing that bullshit. Not to mention the fact that some faggot ass Christian pastor said that Sharone went into a coma because God punished him for withdrawing from Gaza. Even though I bet a lot of people here hate Sharon... the guy that tried to make peace. Too bad he fell into a fucking coma.
Even though the Jews controlled A LOT more land in the past than they do now the orthodox Jews should have been prevented from settling surrounding areas. But then again even after they settled the original land they still got attacked because a lot of Muslims do not want ANY1 but Muslims controlling those areas. The same reason Osama got pissed when US stationed troops in Saudi Arabia. A lot of Muslims HATE the idea of anyone but Muslims controlling or having a large presence in certain areas specifically Israel, Mecca, etc.
So before any1 here bitches about Jews controlling that region you should really take a look at a lot of the Muslims.
If there was a world government powerful enough to wage successful wars then they should definitely make Jerusalem an international area because both, Muslims and Jews, have been fighting over that shit before America was even established. Shiet, Jews have been fighting over that shit before there was even Islam.
i just think i could have alot more respect for them if they did it on their own. the formation of israel and everything that happened surrounding its formation is the single largest reason why the middle east hates the west. is it fair that we allow a state that we helped to form in the middle of arab land to have nuclear capability yet we tell the rest theyre not allowed?
oh and lets not forget the more than $91billion given to them since 1942. this is an 8 year old figure as well, it is undoubtedly above $100billion by now. why are we wasting money on them when our own country needs help?
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The land wasnt given to them. They fought their war of independence in '48 and won without help from the US, the UN or any other power.
fight they did. but " The United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181" in 1947 states otherwise about the land being GIVEN to them.
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its about media and the war between Israel and Palestine, and americas involvement. Sorry i dont know how else to give this file to you... it was pretty interesting, and is about an hour long and a half long
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