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 Mycoangler
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 Re: If God is great, and God is good.....then why does evil exist? [Re: mikemushroom]
#6798792 - 04/17/07 08:36 AM |
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Mycoangler said:
Some of the versions that you mentioned are the only ones that a few Christian sects that I know of (other than Catholic) will accept as the "true" versions (especially KJV).
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Don't post something that is neglectfully wrong about the Bible.
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Like every one else on here I can post whatever the hell I feel like posting about the Bible.
The Bible sucks!!! There!
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You sure can and when you get called on it, you can type somemore about how the Bible sucks. Way to back up your statement.
MM
No,
You responded to me in hostility, and I responded in the same immature manner. You didn't back yourself up either. So it's simply your statement against mine that I was wrong. What makes your statements any better than mine? The fact that you spell better than me?
When I went to Catholic school, I was taught in Theology class that it was decided at The Council Of Nicea which of the ancient writings would be included in the Bible, and which wouldn't. This teaching disturbed me so much that I actually remembered it! So it's your word against a nun with a Theology background.
Instead of telling me what I can and can't post, you could have politely told me that I was wrong, and provided some links that disprove my statement. Perhaps then I might have taken you seriously, and my response would have been different.
Seriously, I think that there are some good bits of information in the Bible, particularly in the words of Jesus, but you, and all of the other Bible pushing, born again preaching types will never see that side of me.
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mikemushroom
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Re: If God is great, and God is good.....then why does evil exist? [Re: Mycoangler]
#6798934 - 04/17/07 09:38 AM |
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Mycoangler-
I did not respond to you in hostility. I did not curse you or anything at all. You just gave some false info off the top of your head. I told you exactly what was wrong with it, and I was not happy with the lack of knowledge that you put out there as fact. Most people that have belief systems would get upset too, especially if the info was inaccurate.
When I said, "you can't go around...blah blah blah," I meant giving false info which appeared to be nothing more than hostility. I was reassured with your the Bible sucks statement. I should have been polite and given a better explaination.
I am a terrible speeler.
At the Council of Nicea the books of the Bible were cannonized, not edited. Edits were done by scribes/monks, and they were in the translations not the manuscripts (a huge difference). The difference between cannonization and edits/editions are very different. If you look back a few pages on this forum, you will find my thread "Differences in Translations of the Bible." This should help explain the edit(ion)s. Maybe some miscommunication here.
It a nun's word with a theology background versus myself with a theology and religious science background. In truth, it does not really matter though, given truth is not biased to educational background.
You don't know me to judge me. I am not Jerry Falwell or the next dick in line. I keep an open mind and respect other people's belief systems. I am a pretty nice guy who can sit in this forum and give intelligible responses unlike at least 2other guys that we all know.
I am sorry if you got upset, but if you reread the posts, I think you may be able to see my POV.
MM
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primativezen
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Re: If God is great, and God is good.....then why does evil exist? *DELETED* [Re: mikemushroom]
#8285366 - 04/15/08 02:10 AM |
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Post deleted by primativezenReason for deletion: didn't know this thread was old as hell
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AtomicShroom98
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Re: If God is great, and God is good.....then why does evil exist? [Re: primativezen]
#8302623 - 04/18/08 10:03 PM |
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Supposedly, there was ten angels who, led by Azazel, decided that they wanted to bore children, with the likes of women. They did so, while showing man the forbidden mysteries of the Earth. Like creating weapons from metals and etc. This, along with the Evil Nephalim, created demons among the seed of men. The Nephalim, exhibited, every form of sin possible within themselves, thus showing man, a different way to walk the Earth. This spread throughout everyone, like a plague, making a battle vs. Good vs. Evil, until the great Judgement. So evil, supposedly, started, by ten angels, who were attracted to the flesh of women. Showing, that GOD didnt create evil.
GOD cannot effect our lives, in any way. This is an entity, that gives us the right to mold our existence into what we so please. All he does, is, he gives us a basis, into, the principles of good and bad, while allowing us to choose wich path to take. He cannot affect free will or he'd be a dictator. Even if that means saving a boy from a fire. If he, somehow, magically saved this boy, even if it is the right thing to do, GOD would be a dictator. You can oppress people in good ways. And Oppression isnt in his dictionary. Basically, he says, "I want to give you everything that is good in this world, yet, you do not allow yourself to recieve it."
I believe GOD took the Earth and he put into it, a plan, which is evolution and free will. So that, he does not have to, constantly, watch over us. Instead, he has a plan that is a system, upon which we all must live through, regardless, of if we want to or not. Lets not be egotistic here. There are millions upon millions of other star systems out there, that probably have intelligent life on it. If thats true, then maybe, hes constantly working on something thats bigger than just our planet and thats the universe. Meaning, hes not just going to be our big baby sitter, constantly telling us what to do and whats best for us to do. Instead he says heres the rules, you can break em if you want, but you wont like it, when the final judgement of souls comes, if you broke the good rules over many lives.
You see, the world has been broken up into ages. Right now, were in the age of Good vs. Evil, which I believe will end after the time alloted in 2012. This age that we are in, is a age of choice, yet it is our choices, that determine our true fate, after this battles over. In this new age, that is coming, Good will live with the Good and the bad will live with the bad, creating perfect harmony among good and evil. Think about the age of the dinosaurs. This was an age with Gigantic Beasts that roamed the Earth, called the Jurassic Period. There was no free will during this age because the top of the food chain, is not consciouss nor intelligent. This was an age of evolution allowing the Earth to age to an appropriate time, that GOD new, would suite humanity best. That was the purpose of the Jurassic period. All the ages of the Earth leading up to the age of humanity, was an age of Earthly development, until GOD felt it was our time. When he did create humanity, in the garden of eden, it was supposed to of been the final age on Earth. But Adam created sin thus creating the need for a new and final age on Earth. Which is to come very soon.
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Re: If God is great, and God is good.....then why does evil exist? [Re: primativezen]
#8302828 - 04/18/08 11:11 PM |
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primativezen said:
Hey Mike, what do you think about free will vs. destiny? I see you talk about it a lot and I thought I'd share my personal opinion to see what you think.
You do realize this thread is a year old and mike hasn't logged in for 10 months, right?
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AtomicShroom98
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Re: If God is great, and God is good.....then why does evil exist? [Re: Middleman]
#8305820 - 04/19/08 07:59 PM |
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SORRY DIDNT KNOW. 
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thedudenj
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Re: If God is great, and God is good.....then why does evil exist? [Re: mikemushroom]
#8309056 - 04/20/08 10:06 PM |
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cause everything that exists exists you can live void of evil its up to you and what you want to do with such a thing and if your aware
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Re: If God is great, and God is good.....then why does evil exist? [Re: Jaspar]
#8310441 - 04/21/08 12:35 PM |
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If you want to live in a world where there is now evil, then wouldn't that be heaven? thus we would have to work and be good to get the the goal? Evil is on this earth to teach us that it wont be there if we're good. Without evil we wont understand what perfect is. you can't enjoy ice cream if thats all you eat. you have to have broccoli so the taste of ice cream is so much better when you finally get it.
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AtomicShroom98
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Re: If God is great, and God is good.....then why does evil exist? [Re: Mephisto616]
#8313388 - 04/22/08 05:56 AM |
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Heavens always meant to be on Earth, its just never been allowed because of the presence of Evil on Earth.
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thedudenj
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Re: If God is great, and God is good.....then why does evil exist? [Re: AtomicShroom98]
#8314187 - 04/22/08 12:12 PM |
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i have to agree with atomic and hopefully the evil on earth will be destroyed by PLUR.
as for the other comment i disagree who says that ice cream is that good any way, thats more so a matter of taste. I agree that alot of evil is tasteless or sometimes really tasty as well as good things but theres a difference in their nature and their cause for being.
i dunno maybe the point im making is that ice cream isnt really that healthy. Eating fresh fruit all the time taste good and continues to even if you eat it all the time
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you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
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VisualLearner
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Re: If God is great, and God is good.....then why does evil exist? [Re: thedudenj]
#8317261 - 04/23/08 01:18 AM |
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learningtofly
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Re: If God is great, and God is good.....then why does evil exist? [Re: mikemushroom]
#8333097 - 04/27/08 02:17 AM |
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secretmachine said:
I believe there is no good or evil. Evil is a cultural phenomenon. For example, in a culture like some middle eastern areas, it is seen as holy to stone someone who cheats on their husband. Whereas we may see it as evil. Might be a bad example, but really everything has both a positive and negative side to it. Saying something is only one or the other is always false because there is nothing that has all negative (or all positive either) everything is a balance. Also, even if there was something that is pure negative, there will be something positive that also comes to balance it. Thats my 2 cents.
Nothing thats all evil? How about 9/11 or child molestation?
I totally disagree.
MM
Islamic fundamentalists didn't think it was evil. That was his point. Good/evil are too subjective. They only exist in the reality in which create/perceive.
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VisualLearner
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Re: If God is great, and God is good.....then why does evil exist? [Re: learningtofly]
#8333733 - 04/27/08 11:06 AM |
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yeah, eye of the beholder.....what is good to you might bad extremely bad for the next. There are things that are programed into our mind since we were young...such as fear of death, eating certain things and so on.....When you trip these walls that you have built in your mind come down and you can experience life for what it is and not what the high powers want YOU to see. Expand your mind sir. You dont know how long you have before you are gone.
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gettinjiggywithit
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Re: If God is great, and God is good.....then why does evil exist? [Re: mikemushroom]
#8337243 - 04/28/08 11:35 AM |
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Because the limited essense you chose to ascribe to the word God has through us, the free will to choose not to be what it is. Then you get what you decided it isn't, what we call evil.
Orrrrrrrrrrr, simply by viewing what is through the lens of duality or having a limited perspective on the big picture, what is actually a part of the all good/god, can be seen as bad from those views.
You will all live in more peace when ever you stop judging things as good and bad and just accept them as the what is that is as it is. From there you understand how it can all be good/god. Yet, some people call that an ignorance in and of itself they deem an evil.
There is light so bright, it blinds itself.
There is a power of love so strong and ever growing, that it eventually destroys and crushes whatever finite form it trys to inhabit or hold onto for too long.
Some see that as the evil of existence.
Some understand that is why it helps to be able to let go when the time comes and not try to be in possession of finite things permantly.
Some never take their sunglasses off either.
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AlteredAgain
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hi jiggy! it's nice to see you around these parts of the board again. how is life?  
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Re: If God is great, and God is good.....then why does evil exist? [Re: AlteredAgain]
#8346885 - 04/30/08 06:30 PM |
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Evil Kinevil died riding a bike.
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jkeps
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Re: If God is great, and God is good.....then why does evil exist? [Re: ShroomDoom]
#8352072 - 05/01/08 11:45 PM |
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I think.
God wants us to stop speaking for "him".
Thats what I think... it has gone on long enough.
Start speaking for yourself.
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Re: If God is great, and God is good.....then why does evil exist? [Re: Jaspar]
#8404179 - 05/15/08 06:19 AM |
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i didnt read all the posts , so if i quoted anyone i am srry.
so the bible lucifer , god, god was angry cast satan down.
its like father and son.
and the story goes.
so now.hes cast down , and he is too tempt us, and torture,with our defeat
as god is too revive and nurture, too help
over come and win
its always the good evil contest.
im sure youve had bad thoughts that just appeared from nowhere.
everyone has.
you wouldnt be human.
i think its just a story collage put together too help people in need or with no direction .a teaching tool.
it is not the word of a god.i could right that .
as everyone knows. people wrote it. not god.
the king james bible was actually written with over half the excerpts of the dead sea scrolls and some storys put together.im sure from the egyptians.
did you know there are 8 books of moses. and in the story he used magic and astrology , tracked the stars for the future , .and other forsaken ritualistic schemes.
i wouldnt think those would fit in what they want their religion too have apart of.
evil exists because we perceive the evil.
what the majority wants.is
if killing is good.have an abortion.
lol
thats another issue, but.
if your a christian you wouldnt.
god didnt tell you too do so.
or did he.
majority rules.
your crazy.
anyhooooo
the greeks had sex with whoever and whatever, and some sick people still do that today. and it was acceptable then.
everyone in thier own right , is right.
a righteous man would see his faults and correct them.
as a evil one would not and continue too disobey and be destructive .
:again i am not christian .
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Re: If God is great, and God is good.....then why does evil exist? [Re: ShroomDoom]
#8408528 - 05/16/08 07:58 AM |
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First of all this is only a question given that god is omni-potent, omni-present and a creator of all, and all good. IE the monotheistic God.
IF any of these things is false then the question is no longer so perplexing. That is my actual answer...
But I also can't resist pointing out that the Council of Nicaea was basically an attempt a uniformity of christianity. There was at one time a very fragmented, diverse and scattered account of things, including the nature of Jesus amd various celebratory dates.
One of the other important things was to establish a timeline from the fragmented documents and folk beliefs. Many early christian ideas were left out entirely, others changed.
Then there are the issues with translation into common languages for common people (extremely unpopular at first because it lessened the power of the clergy) and problems with copies of copies... scribes and the politicians who controlled them.
There are other issues of course, but this is starting to get too long so I'll end it here.
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