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 andresq45
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 Are shrooms sentient?!
#8408011 - 05/16/08 01:10 AM (3 months, 21 days ago) |
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A scientist named Paul Stamets says mushrooms and other fungi actually have a sort of internet like neuro-network and poses the ability to think. The largest single organism on earth is the 2400 acre fungal network known as the mushroom forest in Oregon and Japanese scientists put slime fungus in a maze with amazing results and they even aware of their enviroment...(they know temerature change, soil preference, even organisms present on land!) How intelligent they are is unknown but it got me thinking...do they know we pick/grow them to trip? Do they fear humans? Could they even poses the ability to control our trips or minds by "perposely" manipulating chemicals within their own morphology before they die? Could humans communicate with them?
I don't have the link but type paul stamets or fungi intelligence into a search.
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Re: Are shrooms sentient?! [Re: andresq45]
#8408231 - 05/16/08 03:30 AM (3 months, 21 days ago) |
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I highly doubt mushrooms alter their chemistry according to the person who picks them, but I don't doubt the possibility that mycelial networks have a kind of awareness.
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Re: Are shrooms sentient?! [Re: Tchan909]
#8408337 - 05/16/08 05:06 AM (3 months, 21 days ago) |
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that's amazing
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I believe they are sentient, yes.
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Judging solely from my experiences eating certain kinds of fungi... I would say that yes, they are definetely sentient.
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I don't think that the fact that they are "aware" of people walking above them means they're sentient.
Venus fly traps are "aware" that bugs are walking around on them. Certain plants are "aware" of the location of a light source and will grow towards it.
I do however believe there is one great mushroom spirit, and ingestion is the way we communicate with that spirit, and that spirit acts as a medium for God, because that spirit is "closer" to God than we are, because it is less fractalized.
I must explain that statement though, because its not like the mushroom spirit is closer to God than the human spirit. They are both equally God. Humans are just fractalized, we have egos, and that is what separates us from God. The mushroom helps dissolve our egos, so we can realize that we are God. Each individual mushroom fruiting body doesn't have an ego, it isn't aware of itself.
I dunno... that bit of incoherent rambling is just a little insight into the weird way I see things, the way things make sense to me. It makes more sense in my head than I'm sure it does reading it.
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Re: Are shrooms sentient?! [Re: boxcarguy07]
#8408783 - 05/16/08 09:52 AM (3 months, 21 days ago) |
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they are sentient and they love me
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Re: Are shrooms sentient?! [Re: andresq45]
#8408901 - 05/16/08 10:41 AM (3 months, 21 days ago) |
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Of course they are.
The oldest intelligent organism on the Planet.
Clearly they allowed themselves to be eaten by our ancestors so that we might evolve mentally in order to become great scientists and gardeners to enact their grand plan.
Which of course is to get off this forsaken rock before it is sucked into the sun or destroyed by space junk.
Of course who would have known that we would end up spending most of our resources on the third profession "entertainment" thereby dishonoring the gift and dooming us all to oblivion.
And of course since it clearly takes very little to support conciousness, life after death is no doubt spent on mushroom caps, so long as you're not so rude as to be unwelcome.
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Re: Are shrooms sentient?! [Re: Crimson_Nub]
#8409115 - 05/16/08 11:43 AM (3 months, 21 days ago) |
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I for one don't think mushrooms are sentient (this is enough to make me think you're an idiot) OR that they have spirits. They're just one type of life that happens to produce a chemical that fits in our receptors.
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Re: Are shrooms sentient?! [Re: Aopocetx]
#8409348 - 05/16/08 12:42 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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Aopocetx said:
I for one don't think mushrooms are sentient (this is enough to make me think you're an idiot) OR that they have spirits. They're just one type of life that happens to produce a chemical that fits in our receptors.
I for one don't think you are sentient OR that you have a spirit.
Wow, negative assertions are easy!
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Quote:
AnotherDimension said:
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Aopocetx said:
I for one don't think mushrooms are sentient (this is enough to make me think you're an idiot) OR that they have spirits. They're just one type of life that happens to produce a chemical that fits in our receptors.
I for one don't think you are sentient OR that you have a spirit.
Wow, negative assertions are easy!
Well, I am capable of advanced thought which would make me sentient. Prove to me that a mushroom can do that - this is a positive by the way, so you should be able to prove it (and you can't by the way, which is why I don't believe mushrooms are sentient). As for the spirit thing, you're right, I don't have a spirit and nor does any other human (or animal in that case).
edit: To me, believing that mushrooms are sentient or that they have "spirits" (whatever the fuck that is) is just as dumb as following a religion. Both beliefs are unfounded.
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Edited by Aopocetx (05/16/08 01:08 PM)
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Re: Are shrooms sentient?! [Re: Aopocetx]
#8409510 - 05/16/08 01:19 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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I believe they very well could be.
"By means impossible to explain because of certain misconceptions in your model of reality, all my mycelio networks in the galaxy are in hyper-lite communication across space and time." - THE MUSHROOM, speaking through Terence Mckenna.
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Aopocetx said:
I for one don't think mushrooms are sentient (this is enough to make me think you're an idiot) OR that they have spirits. They're just one type of life that happens to produce a chemical that fits in our receptors.
Sigh. That's not very nice. You don't know any better than anybody else. You can't say it isn't true. That's silly.
Terence Mckenna believes something similar.
Everybody should watch this clip:
Edited by Frost (05/16/08 01:23 PM)
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Re: Are shrooms sentient?! [Re: Frost]
#8409539 - 05/16/08 01:28 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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Frost said:
I believe they very well could be.
"By means impossible to explain because of certain misconceptions in your model of reality, all my mycelio networks in the galaxy are in hyper-lite communication across space and time." - THE MUSHROOM, speaking through Terence Mckenna.
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Aopocetx said:
I for one don't think mushrooms are sentient (this is enough to make me think you're an idiot) OR that they have spirits. They're just one type of life that happens to produce a chemical that fits in our receptors.
Sigh. That's not very nice. You don't know any better than anybody else. You can't say it isn't true. That's silly.
Terence Mckenna believes something similar.
Everybody should watch this clip:
I didn't say it wasn't true, I said I didn't think it was true. That's a huge difference. How come no one got bitched at for saying mushrooms are sentient? It is much more likely that shrooms are not sentient, just like every other plant and animal on this planet.
Oh and don't use Terrence McKenna as a reference. If you're gonna quote someone, quote a scientist rather than an entertainer.
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Re: Are shrooms sentient?! [Re: andresq45]
#8409543 - 05/16/08 01:29 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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Are mushrooms sentient? In a very logical way I say no, but in a retarded optimistic way I say maybe.
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Re: Are shrooms sentient?! [Re: Aopocetx]
#8409566 - 05/16/08 01:40 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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No one else got bitched at because no one else called anyone else an idiot or said anyone else's idea was dumb.
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Re: Are shrooms sentient?! [Re: boxcarguy07]
#8409593 - 05/16/08 01:49 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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No one else got bitched at because no one else called anyone else an idiot or said anyone else's idea was dumb.
Oh okay. Well I don't take anything back.
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Re: Are shrooms sentient?! [Re: boxcarguy07]
#8409616 - 05/16/08 01:54 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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No one else got bitched at because no one else called anyone else an idiot or said anyone else's idea was dumb.
yup
i love this theory though, as it can be expanded to pretyy much any of the teacher plants, and the collective conciousness is the plant's spirit, which influences the mind of the user
i have experienced this personally with salvia, which is a plant that has an extremely strong aura about it, i think the salvia might be more of the lequitis hive-mind model, cause the spirits of different salvia plants seem to be fine on their own and individually sufficient with their own spirits, but then there is the overspirit on top of that, made up from all the individual plannts, the overspirit is what is known as lady salvia
i hope this was coherent
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Re: Are shrooms sentient?! [Re: Aopocetx]
#8411099 - 05/16/08 09:49 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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boxcarguy07 said:
No one else got bitched at because no one else called anyone else an idiot or said anyone else's idea was dumb.
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Well, I am capable of advanced thought which would make me sentient. Prove to me that a mushroom can do that - this is a positive by the way, so you should be able to prove it (and you can't by the way, which is why I don't believe mushrooms are sentient). As for the spirit thing, you're right, I don't have a spirit and nor does any other human (or animal in that case).
edit: To me, believing that mushrooms are sentient or that they have "spirits" (whatever the fuck that is) is just as dumb as following a religion. Both beliefs are unfounded.
First off, I was not seriously accusing you of not being sentient, or of not having a spirit (even if you yourself believe that you don't).
Following that, advanced thought is not a prerequisite for sentience. Although, of course, its presence very much does imply sentience.
However, equating the two is to confuse sentience with sapience. You need not think to be sentient, you only need to feel. Do animals and plants feel? Different people believe different things, but no one person or group's opinion has been proven.
For instance, eastern religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, etc.) recognize nonhumans as sentient beings. I do realize you feel that all religion is 'dumb', but you won't win any debates with that tactic.
According to a reference I consulted, philosophically the question of sentience depends not on the subject's ability to talk or think, but on their capacity to suffer. Personally, I believe that all life shares that capacity. I cannot prove this anymore than you can disprove it.
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Quote:
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First off, I was not seriously accusing you of not being sentient, or of not having a spirit (even if you yourself believe that you don't).
Following that, advanced thought is not a prerequisite for sentience. Although, of course, its presence very much does imply sentience.
However, equating the two is to confuse sentience with sapience. You need not think to be sentient, you only need to feel. Do animals and plants feel? Different people believe different things, but no one person or group's opinion has been proven.
For instance, eastern religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, etc.) recognize nonhumans as sentient beings. I do realize you feel that all religion is 'dumb', but you won't win any debates with that tactic.
According to a reference I consulted, philosophically the question of sentience depends not on the subject's ability to talk or think, but on their capacity to suffer. Personally, I believe that all life shares that capacity. I cannot prove this anymore than you can disprove it.
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