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 Veritas
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 Chronic777
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 Re: What is best in life? [Re: Veritas]
#8400543 - 05/14/08 12:12 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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We can touch life's source and even fully immerse ourselves within it.
From your sigpic, i presume you know about tantra?
Or maybe its juts a nice picture?
Theres nothing newage about it, the teachings of tantra go back thousands of years. They are the earliest!
I don't know anything of "new age" teachings.
I dont even know what "new-age" is, some american fad i presume?
Everything returns to where it came from, returning to this source is what i'm talking about, through tantra you can do this. We all glimpse this in orgasmic ecstacy, even if only for a split second. It is the source & creator at the same time, neither dead nor alive, male nor female, where all poles meet.
Its becoming all life, transcending ego individuality.
So yes not transcending life or experience in the rational sense, yet at the same time you are transcending life & experience, as life is in a state of multiplicity & individuality, you are returning to the source from which life springs, all multiplicity & individuality is dissolved, so in a way you have transcended the individuality of life, which is what makes life life really, our individuality.
When you are there if you try and find an experience-er you will find nobody, nothing. So how can it be said to be an experience if theres no-one there to experience it? Any experience implies a duality there, when you have gone beyond duality, it is felt as an experience as you come back and report back what happened, but during the experience it can not be defined by anything so can not be described as an experience, so it has transcended experience aswell as life.
Thats why its referred to as the ultimate experience, yet with no-one there to experience it!
This is the highest peak of experience in being, and its our birthright as human beings to have this!
Being within an individual body & dissolving, returning to the source, yet while in a body!!! Its basically dying while alive, before dying physically.
If you even meditate on death you can easily reach into an orgasmic state. Where life & death meet, that is the source. That can not be defined by lifes experiences, but only as transcending them both.
ps the rational mind will never understand this, so go beyond it, unless you beleive you cant go beyond the rational mind!?
Can you say that in the throws of orgasmic bliss the rational mind is working?
If it was so then sex would be pretty damn boring!!!
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Re: What is best in life? [Re: Veritas]
#8400550 - 05/14/08 12:13 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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This is the quid pro quo I get after giving you props in the brain usage thread... 
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Re: What is best in life? [Re: Chronic777]
#8400585 - 05/14/08 12:22 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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Chronic777 said:
We can touch life's source and even fully immerse ourselves within it.
Get back to me after my next trip. 
Maybe I'll be more willing to let you convince me to dump the ego.
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Re: What is best in life? [Re: Chronic777]
#8400587 - 05/14/08 12:22 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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Yes, I've practiced Tantra for many years. However, the more "New Age" aspects of the religion-like Tantric ideas do not sit well with me.
Everything you've just described is experience, and experience is had by someone who is alive. You may want to label certain experiences as being had by "no one," or certain mental states as constituting "no mind," but IMO this is a clear example of someone using their mind to describe a mental experience. 
If we can momentarily drop the "no one" "no mind" "emptiness" rhetoric, and discuss these altered states in terms of preference and benefit to the individual, then I would be interested in continuing the discussion. If you must insist upon using terms which IMO are not possible in actuality, then we will have to agree to disagree.
My practice of Tantra is in the interest of achieving experiences and mental states which are not reachable through other activities. I experience these states as an individual, yet they also allow me to temporarily leave behind some non-preferable aspects of my personality. My continued practice seems to have permanently "deleted" certain negative aspects of my personality, and this has improved my daily experience of being alive. I do not, however, see this as "losing" my ego. Perhaps "revising" ego would be more accurate, and less pretentious. 
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Chronic777
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Oweyervishice said:
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Chronic777 said:
We can touch life's source and even fully immerse ourselves within it.
Get back to me after my next trip.
Maybe I'll be more willing to let you convince me to dump the ego.
Unforunatelty tripping alone will not take you there, you might catch a good glimpse though 
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I like the way you talk Chronic777.
Conan seems a little bit bothered though.
Conan: Almost 20 years of pitiless combat! No rest, no sleep like other men. And yet the spring wind blows, Subotai. Have you ever felt such a wind?
Subotai: They blow where I live too. In the north of every man's heart.
Conan: It's never too late, Subotai.
Subotai: No. It would only lead me back here another day. In even worse company.
Conan: For us, there is no spring. Just the wind that smells fresh before the storm.
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: What is best in life? [Re: Chronic777]
#8400673 - 05/14/08 12:39 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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Unforunatelty tripping alone will not take you there...
Once again Chronic's galactic cluster-sized ego comes through. He knows (omniscient) every single human's experience with entheogens and the effects they have.
If only we could be as free from arrogance and self importance as this Mooji devotee. 
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Chronic777
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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Unforunatelty tripping alone will not take you there...
Once again Chronic's galactic cluster-sized ego comes through. He knows (omniscient) every single human's experience with entheogens and the effects they have.
If only we could be as free from arrogance and self importance as this Mooji devotee.
Tripping can take you many many places but in relation to spirituality, not as deep & permanent states as you can attain with a sober clean mind & meditation or sexual union, every sage who tried lsd & mushrooms confirmed this, (this is all i was stating) man they're egos must've been HUUUUUGE to say such things
Thankyou for the ego statement though, i managed to see my ego getting offended and immediately it subsided 
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Veritas said:
Yes, I've practiced Tantra for many years. However, the more "New Age" aspects of the religion-like Tantric ideas do not sit well with me.
Everything you've just described is experience, and experience is had by someone who is alive. You may want to label certain experiences as being had by "no one," or certain mental states as constituting "no mind," but IMO this is a clear example of someone using their mind to describe a mental experience.
If we can momentarily drop the "no one" "no mind" "emptiness" rhetoric, and discuss these altered states in terms of preference and benefit to the individual, then I would be interested in continuing the discussion. If you must insist upon using terms which IMO are not possible in actuality, then we will have to agree to disagree.
My practice of Tantra is in the interest of achieving experiences and mental states which are not reachable through other activities. I experience these states as an individual, yet they also allow me to temporarily leave behind some non-preferable aspects of my personality. My continued practice seems to have permanently "deleted" certain negative aspects of my personality, and this has improved my daily experience of being alive. I do not, however, see this as "losing" my ego. Perhaps "revising" ego would be more accurate, and less pretentious.
Lets just leave it as experience beyond words, but its fun trying to describe it
I mean the fact you've left behind what are commonly perceived as negative traits of personality is all good, theres nothing i can disagree with there.
you say clear mind, i say no mind
you say revised or polished ego, i say ego loss
They seem opposite but are infact the same thing happening!
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Re: What is best in life? [Re: Chronic777]
#8400823 - 05/14/08 01:15 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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every sage who tried lsd & mushrooms confirmed this
Here we go with the typical dance. Your Bush-like statement has switched from 'every human' to 'every sage' as if no one would notice.
OK, I will play your nonsensical game.
1. Have you interviewed every sage since the beginning of time? ( I will guess "No.")
2. What is the litmus test for determining a sage from an 'average' human? (Hint: There is none.)
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Chronic777
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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every sage who tried lsd & mushrooms confirmed this
Here we go with the typical dance. Your Bush-like statement has switched from 'every human' to 'every sage' as if no one would notice.
OK, I will play your nonsensical game.
1. Have you interviewed every sage since the beginning of time? ( I will guess "No.")
2. What is the litmus test for determining a sage from an 'average' human? (Hint: There is none.)
To most who start spiritual searches through having glimpse experiences with mushrooms they soon realize the wake call was the shroom, but the awakening must be done with nothing to be attached to, including shrooms.
Just because shrooms have done nothing at all to wake you up theres no reason to throw your toys out your pram at any of the slightest talk of they're effects on awakening.
Who finds such offense at a simple statement like "shrooms made me see all is one", who isit that gets so put out of shape by this? Or any statement where shrooms and spirituality are put in the same sentance and connected as synonymous in effect.
You should be fine with what i said (not telling you what to do!) i basically said shrooms are not spiritual which should be right with you? Somehow i don't think much pleases you, although maybe you take out all your frustrations here then are happy & bubbly when off the shromery
do you litmus test your girlfriends too OC? 
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Re: What is best in life? [Re: Chronic777]
#8401027 - 05/14/08 01:56 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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do you litmus test your girlfriends too OC?
This is your typical non-answer.
Why not admit there is no litmus test for a sage? But, noooOOOOOoooo! To protect your false claims, you deflect the question and pretend that we are having a discussion. How very advanced. 
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Re: What is best in life? [Re: Rahz]
#8406445 - 05/15/08 06:46 PM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women?
mmh that is good.
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