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No, just trying to show how "Intelligent Design" theory could be something other than rubbish.

There are some things that are pretty difficult to explain by a process of random evolution like the little pulley at the top of the eye socket that one of the eye muscle tendon runs through.

I find random evolution more acceptable than I.D. by a magical boogeyman who "created" us by snap of his fingers and wave of his magick wand.

At the same time, it appears pretty obvious that we are headed rapidly toward an understanding of biology and technology that COULD allow us to fabricate a type of life that has the potential to leave us behind and never look back.

What if some scientist makes a new kind of DNA analog in a lab that is so superior to what currently exists, using nano-tech and CAD and molecular biology, that it self arranges into a rudimentary life form that say grows exponentially faster than everything else, and has integrated adaptive mechanisms that allows it to evolve.... ?

You see where this is headed?

Forget the matrix here please, doesn't belong in this thread anyway. Sorry I brought up something like that.

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Who designed our designers than? If we're too complex to be random, then logically our creators would be even more complex than us and would have logically had to be created by a yet more complex species as well. Where does it begin? Again, either chaos or a magical omnipotent being. I'm sticking with the theory of evolution as it's the only one that has any supportive evidence.

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Izord said:
No, just trying to show how "Intelligent Design" theory could be something other than rubbish.

There are some things that are pretty difficult to explain by a process of random evolution like the little pulley at the top of the eye socket that one of the eye muscle tendon runs through.

I find random evolution more acceptable than I.D. by a magical boogeyman who "created" us by snap of his fingers and wave of his magick wand.

At the same time, it appears pretty obvious that we are headed rapidly toward an understanding of biology and technology that COULD allow us to fabricate a type of life that has the potential to leave us behind and never look back.

What if some scientist makes a new kind of DNA analog in a lab that is so superior to what currently exists, using nano-tech and CAD and molecular biology, that it self arranges into a rudimentary life form that say grows exponentially faster than everything else, and has integrated adaptive mechanisms that allows it to evolve.... ?

You see where this is headed?

Forget the matrix here please, doesn't belong in this thread anyway. Sorry I brought up something like that.

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I don't think the matrix is that different from this. What if we created a super-realistic simulation of the universe, including consciousness? Those beings would live out their lives unaware that they were created by a previous civilization.

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Izord said:
No, just trying to show how "Intelligent Design" theory could be something other than rubbish.

There are some things that are pretty difficult to explain by a process of random evolution like the little pulley at the top of the eye socket that one of the eye muscle tendon runs through.

I find random evolution more acceptable than I.D. by a magical boogeyman who "created" us by snap of his fingers and wave of his magick wand.

At the same time, it appears pretty obvious that we are headed rapidly toward an understanding of biology and technology that COULD allow us to fabricate a type of life that has the potential to leave us behind and never look back.

What if some scientist makes a new kind of DNA analog in a lab that is so superior to what currently exists, using nano-tech and CAD and molecular biology, that it self arranges into a rudimentary life form that say grows exponentially faster than everything else, and has integrated adaptive mechanisms that allows it to evolve.... ?

You see where this is headed?

Forget the matrix here please, doesn't belong in this thread anyway. Sorry I brought up something like that.

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I don't think the matrix is that different from this. What if we created a super-realistic simulation of the universe, including consciousness? Those beings would live out their lives unaware that they were created by a previous civilization.

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Yes, yes true. But I'm not discussion simulations. Just real actual bio-physical existence. Let's please not talk about the Matrix in this thread ok?

It seems to me that random evolution would actually have the potential to produce something infinitely complicated, given an infinite time of course. I know some people believe there are limits to the age of the universe.

But a created organism would not be infinitely complicated, I don't think. (Maybe it's possible)

So once we map out where every gene goes, and what each enzyme does, we can make an embryo. Which will grow into a human being.

Life as we know it depends on DNA, basically. Sequences of 4 nucleides. (Watson or Crick said he discovered the structure while under the influence of LSD, but this has been debated.

So imagine making a better sequence of genes, leaving out the genes for genetic diseases. Imagine figuring out a way to make a coding sequence that is even better than DNA. Stronger faster more robust. What if we used our vast computational power and "folding" ability to figure out a way to make a better DNA that has the capability to make better faster stronger enzymes? With improved Ribosomes? And improved methods of memory storage and logical deductive abilities?

What if a bacteria based on this tec would gobble up all life and spread throughout the solar system and cosmos and evolve to higher forms of life that would discover newer faster means of computing and working with sub-atomic particles.

Get it?

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Fair enough, no more matrix from me.

Humans are very self-centered. We'll be sure to toughen up our own genes before using the knowledge to create new life.

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What would be the point of engineering new supposedly "superior" lifeforms?

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What would be the point of engineering new supposedly "superior" lifeforms?

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Izord said:
Life as we know it depends on DNA, basically. Sequences of 4 nucleides. (Watson or Crick said he discovered the structure while under the influence of LSD, but this has been debated.

So imagine making a better sequence of genes, leaving out the genes for genetic diseases. Imagine figuring out a way to make a coding sequence that is even better than DNA. Stronger faster more robust. What if we used our vast computational power and "folding" ability to figure out a way to make a better DNA that has the capability to make better faster stronger enzymes? With improved Ribosomes? And improved methods of memory storage and logical deductive abilities?

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Because the Russians and Chinese and Some guys on Alpha Centauri are already working on it, and we need to do it first to carry on our genes or philosophy or beliefs or mission or what have you into the next biological/technological paradigm before we get removed from the picture.

It's just one of those things, if we don't do it, someone else will. Whatever civilization/intelligence has the desire and ability to advance will, and whoever doesn't becomes substrate.

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