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 Liz
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I run a dog rescue, along with a few other dedicated volunteers, and we foster a lot of dogs in our home. I deal with picking up dogs at transport, evaluating their temperaments, and so on and so forth. I've met my share of pits who are DOG aggressive. They are this way because they were TRAINED to be this way - not their fault, their owners. I have never personally met a pit bull that I have any qualms about adopting out to a family.
In my opinion, in most instances, a dog is what you make it. If you love them, train them appropriately, and are consistent and don't take any shit from them, they won't give you any. Don't train them to bite people, or bite other dogs, and most times, they won't. I find it ironic that at one point, pit bulls were nicknamed the "nanny dog" because of how amazing and protective they are of children. The fact of the matter is that right now, labs are considered the quintessential family pet. But, 20 years from now, a bunch of drug dealers and fucking thugs could decide to breed labs to fight and protect, and labs would be getting all of the negative media attention that pits are getting now. For every link that someone posts on a pit bull attacking randomly, I guarantee that there are as many similar instances of someone getting bit by a dachshund or a poodle - but those don't make the news, because those aren't "big, scary dogs".
All I can speak on is my personal experience. In the last 13 months, we have fostered over 60 dogs in our home. 2 have bit. One was a 9 pound min pin and one was a fear aggressive lab who was badly beaten by his former "owner". Never been bit by a pit, and I think it's a damn shame that so many get put down every day because of what irresponsible people train some of them to be.
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 Re: Pit Bulls [Re: Liz]
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I have a pitbull mix and he is the sweetest most calm dog i've ever interacted with. It's not the breed of the dog but the way the dog is raised.
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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: derx]
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So do we agree that pit bulls require more care on behalf of the owner than other breeds of dog?
Perhaps a license system would work, where the owner has to show they can keep the dog in line. I wouldn't want a negligent pitbull owner in my neighbourhood.
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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: Mandrake]
#8405895 - 05/15/08 04:09 PM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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Mandrake said:
Eh, I don't think they should be banned but I don't like them myself. What's with comparing everything to the drug war? It gets a bit redundant after awhile.
People making redundant arguments to which the comparison is relevant, yet not addressed gets old. Having to point out to these people that they are Hippocratic in principal through this comparison, then not getting a rebuttal causes me to readdress it when they try to avoid the attack.
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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: zouden]
#8405940 - 05/15/08 04:19 PM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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Unfortunately there's no system yet that anybody has come up with that can keep people from doing stupid things... like raising aggressive dogs.
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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: rodfarva]
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How am I being hypocrite? I simply pointed out the fact that constantly making comparisons to the drug war is not necessarily a great way to get your point across.
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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: zouden]
#8405996 - 05/15/08 04:36 PM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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zouden said:
So do we agree that pit bulls require more care on behalf of the owner than other breeds of dog?
Perhaps a license system would work, where the owner has to show they can keep the dog in line. I wouldn't want a negligent pitbull owner in my neighbourhood.
Yes lets bring the government in to regulate a few more thing. What a splendid idea.
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Better than letting negligent people own dogs that can kill people.
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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: zouden]
#8406067 - 05/15/08 04:55 PM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: zouden]
#8406169 - 05/15/08 05:29 PM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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zouden said:
So do we agree that pit bulls require more care on behalf of the owner than other breeds of dog?
no, we cant agree on that, it takes no more care for one dog
that for another, I've owned multiple breeds in the last 40
years and dogs are dogs, and they're just like children, show
them love and affection and they'll be good dogs, chain them in
the back yard and toss them scraps of food and you'll have a dog
that's confused about his role in life, one that doesnt know
what proper behavior is
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Perhaps a license system would work... I wouldn't want a negligent pitbull owner in my neighbourhood.
I'm sure that would work just as needing licensing for firearms
as worked, or needing ID to obtain alcohol and tobacco, maybe if
they passed legislation forcing ALL dog owners to be licensed
then we wouldnt need people like liz that take in abused and
neglected animals
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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: zouden]
#8406197 - 05/15/08 05:40 PM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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zouden said:
Better than letting negligent people own dogs that can kill people.
more negligent people own automobiles than pit bulls, more people
are killed each year from auto accidents than attacks by pitbulls
where's the call for banning automobiles?
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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: Mandrake]
#8406205 - 05/15/08 05:42 PM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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How am I being hypocrite? I simply pointed out the fact that constantly making comparisons to the drug war is not necessarily a great way to get your point across.
I didnt call you one, if you are or not. The statement was in the third party. Im done being provoked by this thread, i will say something about you tho. You argue like my ex.
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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: Jadian]
#8406223 - 05/15/08 05:46 PM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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Jadian said:
Unfortunately there's no system yet that anybody has come up with that can keep people from doing stupid things... like raising aggressive dogs.
Im not sure what your saying here. The dog isn't aggressive it is raised to be aggressive. Maybe thats what you mean?
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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: zouden]
#8406825 - 05/15/08 08:20 PM (6 months, 3 days ago) |
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zouden said:
So do we agree that pit bulls require more care on behalf of the owner than other breeds of dog?
Perhaps a license system would work, where the owner has to show they can keep the dog in line. I wouldn't want a negligent pitbull owner in my neighbourhood.
I'm against any sort of breed specific legislation, in any form. Whether it be licensing, bans - anything. If it's required for one breed, it should be required for all. It's sad that all people don't just have a common set or morals that keep them from treating animals like shit - but the fact is that many people are scumbags. And a license system isn't going to stop that. There is no way to regulate backyard breeders, and no way to know where a dog goes after you "license" the owner to have them. Having harsher penalties for dog fighting and animal cruelty I think would help in some ways....people might be less apt to train these dogs to fight if they would actually face more than a slap on the wrist if they got caught doing it. They'd be less likely to beat their dogs and leave them tied in the yard with an embedded chain in their neck if it wasn't a friggin $100 fine that they were faced with.
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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: Liz]
#8406834 - 05/15/08 08:23 PM (6 months, 3 days ago) |
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I would never be afraid to pet a golden retreiver. I have never petted a pit bull. Matter of principle and stereotypes, but guess what, I still have a hand.
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How is not petting a pit bull a matter of principle? Do you not support their right to exist, or to be petted?
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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: zouden]
#8406864 - 05/15/08 08:29 PM (6 months, 3 days ago) |
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zouden said:
Links courtesy wikipedia....
Pit Bull kills child and injures grandmother.
Pit Bull jumps fence and kills gardener, 71.
Girl killed by Pit Bull terrier.
Pit Bull Kills California Boy.
S.F. boy, 12, killed by his family's Pit Bulls.
Pit Bulls Kill Race Horse.
Pit Bull Kills Big Isle tot, mauls mom.
Pit Bulls Kill Owner In Home.
Pit Bulls euthanized after mauling 90-year-old who died.
Pit Bulls Kill Poodle, Attack Woman Near Middle School.
Pit Bull Attacks Iowa Police Horse.
Joey Porter's dogs get loose, kill miniature horse.
Pit Bull attacks police horse in Golden Gate Park.
George the Jack Russell dies saving kids.
Dogs Shot, Killed After They Attack Goat, Horse.
Pit Bull Attacks, Kills Show Horse.
Girl, 5, stood no chance against Pit Bull.
Dog Kills Month-old Infant Sleeping with Mom.
Pit Bull owner sentenced to 3 years in fatal mauling.
Pit Bull Kills Child in Huntington.
Pit Bulls Kill Small Dog Chained In Family's Yard.
Here is the fault in this data.
According to the Humane Society and AKC, there are three different breeds of Pit Bulls. The American Staffordshire Terrier. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier. And finally The American Pit Bull Terrier. When any of these dogs (or a dog with a small percentage of these dogs in their blood) attacks someone, they auomatically register it as a "Pit Bull Attack."
The problem is as follows. The American Stafforshire Terrier and The Staffordshire Bull Terrier were breeds that came out of the original Pit Bull through show breeding. They stopped breeding the dogs for game, lost the original blueprint "Gameness" of what defines a true Pit Bull Terrier, and ended up with these two new breeds (notice neither of them are even called Pit Bulls) that were not breed for disposition and game but rather for show. In lamen terms, they stopped selectively breeding the dogs for what they were and began breeding the dogs for how they looked. Over a span of dozens of years, Somewhere around the early 1900's, these two new breeds came into the world carrying on the pit bull name but carrying none of the true orinal dispotion of the orinal Pit Bull.
Keep in mind that the orinal pit bull was breed for fighting. Hence people would purposely never breed any dogs that showed any signs of human aggresion because it would be idiotic to step into a ring to seperate two fighing dogs if there was any chance of them bighting the owner in the heat of battle. So what they basically did was breed human agression out of the Pit Bull (the fighting dog)over the span of hundreds of years. When breeding show dogs none of this was taken into consideration, and thus the new breeds were born, The Staffordshire and the Staffie.
Now im not saying that these dogs are agreesive (to any owners of the staffs). But they are no longer Pit Bulls and are more prone to attack humans dor the simple fact of selective breeding.
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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: Lion]
#8406873 - 05/15/08 08:31 PM (6 months, 3 days ago) |
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How is not petting a pit bull a matter of principle? Do you not support their right to exist, or to be petted?
I support my right to bear hands. 
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Lion said:
How is not petting a pit bull a matter of principle? Do you not support their right to exist, or to be petted?
I support my right to bear hands.
you, my man are ignorant.
i own a pitbull.
he is the biggest bitch you'll ever meet.
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