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 OrgoneConclusion
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 Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Grapefruit]
#8401820 - 05/14/08 05:25 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Proof of unconditional love = a cashable check for $10,000.
Spirituality IS provable.  PM me for an address.
I will give you a hell of an endorsement. As one of the leading skeptics, it will carry a lot of weight.
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 Grapefruit
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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Grapefruit]
#8401829 - 05/14/08 05:27 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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So you have no self-image? No concept of who you are and who you are not? No idea of what your interests are, what you're good at, what you fail at? No idea whether you are good-looking or ugly? No sense of whether you are intelligent or stupid?
Sounds like denial to me. EVERYONE who is capable of conscious awareness of themself and their environment has a self-image. It may be possible to develop a more-flexible, less constrained idea of who you are, and how you will participate in this life, but not to erase your sense of self.
Nope i don't have a self image i'm happy just to be. To enjoy life. It's more i don't care whether i fail or succeed, whether i'm ugly ot good looking, intelligent or stupid. I participate in life simply by enjoying what i'm doing. If i play the guitar its not to get really awesome at it, it's so i can enjoy playing the guitar.
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So you ASSUME I don't read your posts?
Don't you LOVE me?
Go back and read them again. You were agreeing with me, my point was there were no truths, so how can i prove them to you? You're acting like im claiming to know the truth, i'm not. Exactly the opposite infact.
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Veritas
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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Grapefruit]
#8401836 - 05/14/08 05:29 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Nope i don't have a self image i'm happy just to be. To enjoy life. It's more i don't care whether i fail or succeed, whether i'm ugly ot good looking, intelligent or stupid. I participate in life simply by enjoying what i'm doing. If i play the guitar its not to get really awesome at it, it's so i can enjoy playing the guitar.
This description IS your self-image. 
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If people stopped looking on their emotions as ethereal, almost inhuman processes, and realistically viewed them as being largely composed of perceptions, thoughts, evaluations, and internalized sentences, they would find it quite possible to work calmly and concertedly at changing them.
~Albert Ellis
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Grapefruit
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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Grapefruit]
#8401845 - 05/14/08 05:32 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Proof of unconditional love = a cashable check for $10,000.
Spirituality IS provable. PM me for an address.
I will give you a hell of an endorsement. As one of the leading skeptics, it will carry a lot of weight.
You keep saying this, It seems to be one of your main points. Just because you love someone doesn't mean you'll give them all your money. Did you give your last girlfiend 10 grand? No, thought not. I'd still need to have a reason to give you money. I give to charity because it makes me feel good. I spend my money on something because it makes me feel good to do so.
Anyway gd night all!  you all. Hope no-one's got too wound up over this, no bad vibrations coming from this way  .
Edited by Grapefruit (05/14/08 05:36 PM)
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MokshaIs
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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Grapefruit]
#8401853 - 05/14/08 05:34 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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who is it that is feeling good?
could it be...
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in all of Infinite
there is but One
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Grapefruit
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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: MokshaIs]
#8401864 - 05/14/08 05:37 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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who is it that is feeling good?
could it be...
It's me not my self-image. Whatever i am for i can never truly know.
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Cervantes
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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Grapefruit]
#8401875 - 05/14/08 05:39 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Grapefruit said:
Go back and read them again.
No... once was enough.
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You're acting like im claiming to know the truth, i'm not.
You claim to UNCONDITIONALLY love EVERYTHING and EVERYONE.
While I'm not going to re-read your posts... I highly suggest you DO read the forum rules... I mean, since you're new here and all.
In THIS forum, the burden of proof rests on you.
If you make a claim, I am well within my rights to ask for evidence, proof, a link... etc. Yet you offer no such info.
So again, I smell bullshit.
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. -Inigo Montoya
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WhiskeyClone
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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Grapefruit]
#8401885 - 05/14/08 05:41 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Grapefruit said:
When you lose ego you realize life is all phat and that pain, fear, anxiety are pointless. Why overpower them with good things when you can experience only good things! As i said before, heaven is a state of mind.
Grapefruit,
It is possible to understand all of that conceptually, and mistake that knowledge for enlightenment. 'Getting' spiritual concepts such as nonattachment or mindfulness can be very exciting, but it is not the same as learning to live them. It sounds like you are stuck on this conceptual level, yet you've convinced yourself that you have arrived at some coveted mental summit. I think it's the idea of egolessness that you find so 'phat,' because nobody who is operating egolessly would invest such energy describing exactly how he is enlightened and how others are not. Such talk is pointless and indulgent. The way you've described your superior state of mind rings with self-importance and naivete.
You are new to this community, but these concepts you are describing are not. We've heard this all before from other users who've had a personal revelation of sorts and let it go to their head. Information and opinions are not lacking here, but real insight is a little more rare.
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A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. -- `Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.' -- Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.
~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Grapefruit]
#8402013 - 05/14/08 06:27 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Did you give your last girlfiend 10 grand?
You lose with that question, bro. I would not joke or fabricate something like this.
Her daughter had severe emotional issues (anorexia, cutting herself, etc.) and required hospitalization. I contributed $30,000 anonymously to her fund. (And I only had 3 times that in total assets - so was not wealthy). Didn't help as she died anyway from a precription drug overdose shortly after she was released.
Never told anyone this. Not even my ex.
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Grapefruit
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Grapefruit,
It is possible to understand all of that conceptually, and mistake that knowledge for enlightenment. 'Getting' spiritual concepts such as nonattachment or mindfulness can be very exciting, but it is not the same as learning to live them. It sounds like you are stuck on this conceptual level, yet you've convinced yourself that you have arrived at some coveted mental summit. I think it's the idea of egolessness that you find so 'phat,' because nobody who is operating egolessly would invest such energy describing exactly how he is enlightened and how others are not. Such talk is pointless and indulgent. The way you've described your superior state of mind rings with self-importance and naivete.
You are new to this community, but these concepts you are describing are not. We've heard this all before from other users who've had a personal revelation of sorts and let it go to their head. Information and opinions are not lacking here, but real insight is a little more rare.
Mate, well... Just describing things the way i see it... Enlightenment? I don't know, i don't really care. It's just a word. I wasn't trying to make myself seem like some "Enlightened one". Other people saw it like that. I never saw it like that. I only ever saw it as letting go.
I never said this mind state was superior. Only that it is so, so, so, much more peaceful than it was before for me and i think it probably would be for most people. The change is so riduculously massive i can barely begin to describe it to you. I see a lot of the same problems i used to have reflected in my freinds, in everyone around. Everyone looks grumpy the whole time, when they could all be walking around with a massive smile on they're face if they let go.
I wasn't trying to be preachy or anything. Only you've got to understand that before this i had fuck loads of anxiety i was having panic attacks everywhere. I didn't feel comfortable in public places at tall. I could barely summon up the courage to walk in to town. I had severe de-personalization, depression, the whole lot really. Letting go of myself, i was left with none of this. Yesterday, I was walking down the middle of a crowded street dancing. You've got to understand how un-beleivably amazing this is for me. Where there was such a masssive massive amount of all these problems before, insecurities and such. Now i have none of them. Not a single fear in the world. I'm in complete and utter bliss.
I care so little, i haven't tried to understand any concepts i just let go of all of them. Now all i feel is bliss and peace.
See the thing is i'm not trying to give myself a load of self-importance. I found my peace and all i wanted to do was share it. I wanted other people to find this peace. To lose their worries. I didn't feel i was wasting my energy trying to show them that. Only now i see i am.
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You lose with that question, bro. I would not joke or fabricate something like this.
Her daughter had severe emotional issues (anorexia, cutting herself, etc.) and required hospitalization. I contributed $30,000 anonymously to her fund. (And I only had 3 times that in total assets - so was not wealthy). Didn't help as she died anyway from a precription drug overdose shortly after she was released.
Never told anyone this. Not even my ex.
Dude, i'm sorry this happened, truly. However you must see there is reason for giving this money. It isn't purely based on love. I would've done the same. That's nothing like giving someone on an internet forum 10 grand. I don't really know why you told me that. How can i be sensitive to an issue i don't have a clue about?
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zouden
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To Cannashroom re: PEAR
Firstly, PEAR is a joke and I can't believe it continued for as long as it did. It never managed to detect ESP. And regarding the Global Consciousness Project, the most damning criticism is right there in the wikipedia article:
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there is no objective criterion for determining whether an event is significant; events are seemingly arbitrarily selected.
That was my first thought when they started the project, and it's still a valid criticism today (I've known about this for along time).
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I did read it actually, did you read the actual article? Human brains create a magnetic field that permeates through the entire universe,
No they don't, sorry. Our brains don't even create a magnetic field that permeates our skull. We have electrical signals that can be detected with electrodes, but electrical signals don't indicate a magnetic field. There is no conductor in our brains, and no ferrous metal.
6 billion together would create a field together. Of course it is ridiculously slight and tiny, but it is there and real, do way to dispute it. I'm not saying it is true for sure, I am just giving you some interesting studies that point to that conclusion.
I would like to see these studies.
My main thought is all matter created together (big bang) matter was once all at a point of infinite density, and they it blew apart into our universe.
Yes
What if our universe was just a projection into a different dimension and everything is still connected in another dimension.
It probably is. The multiverse theory is very well supported.
M-Theory predicts 11 dimensions
Yes, it's a requirement for string theory.
whats happening in those other 7?
Very little. They are tiny, wrapped up in the subatomic foam. Perhaps we could expand one of the 'bubbles' in the foam to get access to another dimension and use it as a wormhole, but this is pure speculation. At the moment, we can't do anything with the extra dimensions except use them in string-theory equations.
Some physicists think consciousness might actually contain some of those dimensions
I am certain they don't.
I was just throwing out some ideas of mine on the topic, and you guys in your fervor to reject anything of the sort flamed me to hell, these are just Ideas, not hard held beliefs of mine.
I'm happy to hear your ideas, they make this forum interesting  but I hope you don't mind me correcting you when you make factual errors - it's in my nature.
But I think the electromagnetic field from the brain is the best evidence, because we KNOW they exists and can interact.
Again, I would like to see evidence of this, because it would really surprise me.
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9/11 was sketchy but I mean come on
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