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 The ego game is a psychosis
#8399582 - 05/14/08 02:18 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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From wikipedia:
Psychosis is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality." People suffering from it are said to be psychotic.
People experiencing psychosis may report hallucinations or delusional beliefs, and may exhibit personality changes and disorganized thinking. This may be accompanied by unusual or bizarre behaviour, as well as difficulty with social interaction and impairment in carrying out the activities of daily living.
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The ego game, which today is not treated as a game - it has become a psychosis, substitutes reality with some kind of possessions comparison, and a social hierarchy, out of fear of a death that will never come. The death will never come because nothing ever existed besides the functioning of the organism in the first place. You are as dead now as you'll ever be. The organism was simply trained, forcefully, to seek a state of domination in a conceptual framework, much like a bird is trained to come to the hand. It occurs through conditioning, and can only be unlearnt over time, by removing the validity of the conceptual framework (we call this 'questioning authority') and by unconditioning ourselves in the same manner as we were conditioned - by sheer force.
The reality we have overriden is the reality of our divinity.
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we must strive against all ill-formed resistance to attain the chalice of a higher spiritual awakening
There's nothing there.
Just realise.
Saving yourself IS Saving the world
Edited by burgatory (05/14/08 02:20 AM)
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Re: The ego game is a psychosis [Re: burgatory]
#8399710 - 05/14/08 04:55 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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this is not really based on insight, but is deduced by evaluating what others have said and struggling between words and alienation.
the idea of game or play is what happens at a table or on stage. the notion of winning or losing changes the play into something with an artificial seriousness.
ego, can be cast under many different kinds of light and scrutinized to reveal many sets of personality routines and compulsions, trained reactions etc. This is more help than harm unless there is too much artificial seriousness.
it's the artificial seriousness like defensive responses that distort what is going on.
to see what is going on may involve a kind of temporary insanity - it is complex and weird, it is very hard to describe, but it does not make everything you know to be false nor does it reduce life to a game that must be won or lost.
it turns out that the psychosis is artificial seriousness, and the cure is a more balanced approach (AKA - the middle way)
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Re: The ego game is a psychosis [Re: burgatory]
#8399753 - 05/14/08 05:32 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Quote:
burgatory said:
The ego game, which today is not treated as a game - it has become a psychosis, substitutes reality with some kind of possessions comparison, and a social hierarchy, out of fear of a death that will never come. The death will never come because nothing ever existed besides the functioning of the organism in the first place. You are as dead now as you'll ever be. The organism was simply trained, forcefully, to seek a state of domination in a conceptual framework, much like a bird is trained to come to the hand.
The "ego game" of modern consumerism is kind of backwards, I agree...but that organism, if it is to function at all, needs some sort of mental self-image. The ego isn't all bad.
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Re: The ego game is a psychosis [Re: burgatory]
#8400147 - 05/14/08 09:34 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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'to see what is going on may involve a kind of temporary insanity'
Relax, go nuts.
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Re: The ego game is a psychosis [Re: burgatory]
#8400281 - 05/14/08 10:48 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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The conscious mind is enslaved and under the control of the ego. The ego only needs a small part of the mind, and it builds a protective shell around itself that is very difficult to break. Hallucinogens have the ability to break this shell, allowing you to expand your consciousness into your subconscious mind. A healthy mind means that YOU have complete control over your ego. The ego is very powerfull and it alters reality to suit its pleasure, and it puts the mind out of balance. We exist in a physical world, and in a metaphysical world. Balancing the mind will give you the ability to control both.
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Quote:
burgatory said:
The reality we have overriden is the reality of our divinity.
True but ego's a necessary natural occurrence within this illusion, there's nothing "wrong" with it, without this delusion there wouldn't be this fantastic thing we call spiritual awakening! I am very sure that i would prefer to awake from a deluded state, then just be born awake and not know the difference. 
Many book & teachers like to say that ego is okay, to keep a little ego in your back pocket. This only caters to the ego even more.
I agree that it is okay, a necessary natural phenomenon of life, but if you want to go further, right into the depths of existence, enlightenment, awakening, liberation, i can say without a shadow of a doubt that ego loss is necessary.
This is why Buddha learned all the Hindu teachings of self, god, fulfillment,
yet Buddha taught his disciples the seeming opposite, non-self, non-god, emptiness.
Nirvana literally means nothing, extinguishing the flame, death.
This is for ego destruction as ego destruction is liberation.
Once ego is gone you meet the true self, the god, the absolute fulfillment.
The Hindu teachings are all true, but Buddha's are more realistic for the egocentric, which is everyone!
Thats also why I'm saying you don't become one with everything through expansion of the ego through fulfillment, you become one by first becoming an absolute nothing.
All & nothing mean the same.
Sorry went on a bit there, i just see people wanting to wake up everywhere yet still clinging to the thought that there is a individual entity to wake up, the individual dies, then awakening is
"when you are not, bliss will be"
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"Now I have become totally empty"
Bodhidharma slapped him immediately and said
"Now go and throw this emptiness also!"
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Re: The ego game is a psychosis [Re: burgatory]
#8400409 - 05/14/08 11:28 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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I agree it is psychotic.
Thats one problem for intelligent people, it seems they are more likely to become psychotic and play these games.
Unfortunately and naturally its something we encounter frequently in this forum.
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Re: The ego game is a psychosis [Re: Chronic777]
#8400456 - 05/14/08 11:44 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Your words are very intuitive. To balance or to bring your mind into harmony you must expand your consciousness into your subconscious mind. The doorway is the disollution of the ego where you meet all of your fears head on and move past them. Only then will you learn how to control your ego and the metaphysical abilities of the mind. Initially hallucinogens are the key to accessing the subconscious.
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Re: The ego game is a psychosis [Re: C.M. Mann]
#8400566 - 05/14/08 12:16 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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controlling ego, impossible, it always wants more, the more you give it the more it wants, always!
dissolving ego, near impossible but worth trying
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"Now I have become totally empty"
Bodhidharma slapped him immediately and said
"Now go and throw this emptiness also!"
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Re: The ego game is a psychosis [Re: Chronic777]
#8401172 - 05/14/08 02:29 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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>>>>The ego game is a psychosis
So is modern psychology. Gimme some drugs doc. Make it go away. I'm scared!
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Re: The ego game is a psychosis [Re: Rahz]
#8401406 - 05/14/08 03:44 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Understanding Authentic Mysticism
and Discerning it from Psychosis
Richard N. Neumann
In conducting my literature search I found it surprising to discover so many similarities between mystical experiences and psychotic disorders. Having been exposed to and experiencing attenuated mystical characteristics on the other hand, it is also not surprising from a subjective point of view that they reflect an abnormal state of mind. It is my aim to have a clearer understanding of these similarities and to be able to discern their differences. My secondary gain is the hope to shed light for the therapeutic healing processes for those who suffer the inevitable confusion from lack of understanding.
A brief scientific definition of religious mysticism is the art of union with divine reality. The mystic is a person who aims at and believes in such attainment. The mystic does not ask, what is reality. The mystic answers the question by discerning the results of contacts with that reality. The results are a wider, sharper consciousness and a more profound understanding of our own existence.
A definition in light of the symptomology of psychotic disorders may include; delusions, hallucinations, disorganized speech, or grossly disorganized or catatonic behavior (American Psychological Association, 1994).
Podvoll (1979a) stated "The inner world of the psychotic often erupts with states of ecstasy, feelings of profound truth, contact with an ultimate reality, and excruciating insights into the nature of self which have always been the characteristics and life changing qualities of the mystics experience"
According to Podvoll (1979b) both psychosis and mystical experiences begin with a non ordinary state of consciousness, where discursive, analytical thinking has lost its dominance. These experiences are profound personal events which initially are characterized by confusing thoughts and an inability to relate these experiences with others except with those who have had prior experiences.
The mystic and the psychotic share more than a fundamental structure. They also seem to share a means, a path, and even at times a common discipline, used for the production of altered states of consciousness. These altered states are characterized by changes in thinking such as the appearance of deep connections between the body and emotions, changing perceptual abilities, and many other phenomena. The mystic and psychotic have the ability to easily enter these altered states of consciousness, which then becomes a vehicle or transitional stage for experiencing the self, the environment, and others in a new and different way.
from: http://home.adelphia.net/~drdick/divine_madness.html
Its okay. Yer all crazy.
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I know we're crazy, but we're also right.
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we must strive against all ill-formed resistance to attain the chalice of a higher spiritual awakening
There's nothing there.
Just realise.
Saving yourself IS Saving the world
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Re: The ego game is a psychosis [Re: burgatory]
#8401633 - 05/14/08 04:42 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. R.A.W.
I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. R.A.W.
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Re: The ego game is a psychosis [Re: Icelander]
#8401702 - 05/14/08 04:57 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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'I know we're crazy, but we're also right.'
Wait, who's right about what??
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Edited by backfromthedead (05/14/08 05:33 PM)
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Maybe we're the crazy ones...
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Re: The ego game is a psychosis [Re: burgatory]
#8401958 - 05/14/08 06:08 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Quote:
burgatory said:
I know we're crazy, but we're also right.
Why do you want us to know you are right?
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A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. -- `Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.' -- Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.
~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"
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Re: The ego game is a psychosis [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#8403372 - 05/14/08 11:27 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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I was just saying in reaction to the 'you're crazy' label. I think I was attempting to be delicious and literary, but mostly delicious.
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we must strive against all ill-formed resistance to attain the chalice of a higher spiritual awakening
There's nothing there.
Just realise.
Saving yourself IS Saving the world
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