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 Chemy
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 Re: renters rights.... [Re: spock1]
#8393905 - 05/12/08 07:07 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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spock1 said:
put on a door chain
There it is, finally.
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Re: renters rights.... [Re: spock1]
#8393909 - 05/12/08 07:07 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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a new lock or a rekeyed lock would most likely be against her lease.
door chain... could be allowed, just ask her to ask her landlord. my landlord put one on mine 
but fuck renting i can't wait to have a house.
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Re: renters rights.... [Re: usg543]
#8394096 - 05/12/08 07:48 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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I was under the impression that the landlords must give written notice at least 24 hours before someone enters your unit.
Also, pointing a gun at anyone who enters your unit unannounced and unplanned is very legal and a very good idea.
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Re: renters rights.... [Re: SFsorrow]
#8394111 - 05/12/08 07:52 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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depends on your laws and lease.
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Re: renters rights.... [Re: usg543]
#8395253 - 05/13/08 01:31 AM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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it is in my lease that i cant alter property that isnt mine...i cant put a thicker door....or change my lock. chains seem kinda wimpy....never had one, but it seems that it wouldn't really keep someone from forcing their way in. i found my contract that i signed and it does state that maintenance has to call before they try to enter my apartment.........he is a new maint. guy and i dont think the manager has made the rules clear for him. as far as pointing a gun at someone that comes in my house without me knowing him or her, that is my right..... i was asleep and nobody called my cell or home phone to let me know he was on his way up to check two items that weren't considered emergency fixes.>>>thus he should have given me a 24 hour notice even if i requested his presence to fix the matter.. All has been cleared up and i have let the manager know that i have several fire arms and intend to protect myself against unlawful entry to my apartment.
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Re: renters rights.... [Re: Chemy]
#8395539 - 05/13/08 05:19 AM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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Chemy said:
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spock1 said:
put on a door chain
There it is, finally.
Those chains are worthless. I'm sure you can find decent ones, but I don't trust my safety to something held in w/ 2/4 finishing screws drilled a 1/4 inch into a door.
Robbers, FEAR THIS!!!
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Re: renters rights.... [Re: johnm214]
#8396140 - 05/13/08 10:33 AM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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johnm214 said:
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Chemy said:
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spock1 said:
put on a door chain
There it is, finally.
Those chains are worthless. I'm sure you can find decent ones, but I don't trust my safety to something held in w/ 2/4 finishing screws drilled a 1/4 inch into a door.
Robbers, FEAR THIS!!!
How ridiculous, I never said it would stop a robber, it would stop a maintainence man, and that's what we're discussing right??
Robbers fear this:
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Re: renters rights.... [Re: Chemy]
#8396156 - 05/13/08 10:38 AM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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I thought you were saying they were worthless too. Like "there it is" sarcastically.
Oh well, I supose they may stop robbers.
I think it would be easier to switch out a lock, however; than to add a chain. Who knows though, maybe the rental office would have a fit about it.
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Re: renters rights.... [Re: spock1]
#8397224 - 05/13/08 03:11 PM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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spock1 said:
You're just lucky you weren't arrested for threatening someone with a gun.
it's very unlikely in your own home/rented home, I bought
property that had a trailer under finance on the land, the
finance company decided to use my land as a storage lot for more
than a year with me calling every few weeks insisting they move
the thing, they sent some people around to pick the trailer up,
I spotted the trucks rolling up the drive and allowed them a few
minutes to get out and go assess the job... I showed up and
walked them back to the road at gun point... they brough a 15 yo
kids with them
anyway the guy called the cops and as soon as they showed up the
guy started talking shit about how I tried to kill them, I drew
a gun on a 15 yo and how he was an army ranger and would have
taken the gun away and killed me with it...
cop asked me what was going on and I let him know about the 5
prior break-ins, my livestock being shot on the property and
some other shit that went on and he returned to the guy and told
him he was an irresponsible father for bringing a kid on a repo,
that whether he was in the military or not he was damned lucky I
didnt shoot because I'm well known for doing just that, I still
have a truck sitting with a bullet in the engine block from the
last bunch I caught
cops will generally side with the resident in situations like
that, it's common practice to give 24hr notice to an occupant
prior to entering for maintenance duties even when called
for the repairs, this allows for the occupant to be home at that
point in time since most people done want 'strangers' in their
home when they arent home
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Re: renters rights.... [Re: johnm214]
#8398959 - 05/13/08 10:26 PM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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johnm214 said:
You discuss unnecessary fear but don't explain how you deduce this.
You claim idiocy, but don't explain this either.
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rugergirl79 said:
and before you know it i hear maintenance entering my dwelling.....i had my shotgun in my right hand and ready to fire....my heart was beating fast and i almost shot him....
This person requested a visit from maintenance. Maintenance shows up and she winds up almost shooting them out of fear. I think her response would have been perfectly warranted if she had not asked for a maintenance person to look at something. When I make a maintenance request I expect visitors at some point between 7AM and 6PM the next few days that may well walk in my house even if I don't answer the door. I try to make sure the dog is not roaming a part of the house they'll need access to to address the issue, etc.
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johnm214 said:
Whether you would be fearful of someone entering unnanounced into your apartment is irrelevant.
I don't think you've shown her actions to be imprudent or "idiotic" and I think its eminantly reasonable for a woman to grab a weapon when someone is entering their house without announcing their identity or intentions.
I think she should have been expecting visitors. I often sleep during the day, and more than once in seperate states have had maintenance people enter my house, at my previous request, but without further warning, while I was asleep and didn't bother to answer the door to let them in, to do work.
To put it bluntly, I think its idiotic to almost shoot someone that you should have been expecting.
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johnm214 said:
Here's one of many stories detailing a common burglary M.O. of knock then enter.
http://www.komotv.com/news/archive/4130336.html
Here's a rapist who knocks then rapes.
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=34124
Even if the above examples weren't known to exist I think they're reasonable fears.
If I had a gun I'd sure grab it if someone was coming in my house wihout identifying themselves or their intentions.
As would I, IF I had no reason to expect anyone. If I'm expecting someone I might still grab a gun, but its not going to be "ready to fire" until after I've made confirmation of something out of the ordinary.
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johnm214 said:
I suspect its a dislike of guns that lead you to call the O.P. an idiot, but I think grabbing a firearm when an unknown person is entering your house is immenantly reasonable.
I don't dislike firearms. I dislike firearms fanatics, which the OP gives an initial impression of being. I would even support relaxing the current ban on felons possessing firearms such that only felons convicted of violent crimes would be banned from possessing guns. So don't mistake me for being against firearms. They have their time and place, I just don't think that time is every day, nor that place on a nightstand.
I just think this person could have potentially put an innocent persons life at risk by over reacting to an event that should have been expected.
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Re: renters rights.... [Re: Ojom]
#8398995 - 05/13/08 10:32 PM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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i was expecting him to call before he came....as i explained in a post earlier, the manager said that he should have called before he entered my apartment. just because i requested him to check my dishwasher out, dosent give him the right just to enter at any time he feels like unless it is an emergency fix. a dishwasher that isnt properly working isnt exactly an emergency fix. as far as me having a gun ready, i think all women should have one ready. if i dont invite you in, be prepared. my lease stipulates that maintenance is to call and give notice of his visitation for all repairs. just because he has a key, this dosent give him the right to enter my apartment.
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Ojom
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Idiot was a bit harsh. There is nothing wrong with being prepared to defend yourself against home invaders with a firearm. But there needs to be a certain calmness in ones reaction to unexpected events in order to ensure maximum safety for ones own self as well as the safety of innocent people.
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rugergirl79 said:
as far as me having a gun ready, i think all women should have one ready.
an unloaded gun is just a stick
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Re: renters rights.... [Re: Ojom]
#8400016 - 05/14/08 08:24 AM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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Ojom said:
So don't mistake me for being against firearms. They have their time and place, I just don't think that time is every day, nor that place on a nightstand.
So, she should keep the gun unloaded and trigger locked right? And if the feces does in fact hit the fan, she can call "time out" (in every occupied burglary/home invasion the victim is allowed 2 time outs, burglars code 232.56 also in rapists code of conduct 666.81) so she can unlock and load the gun and protect herself.
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Re: renters rights.... [Re: Ojom]
#8400018 - 05/14/08 08:25 AM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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Ojom said:
there needs to be a certain calmness in ones reaction to unexpected events in order to ensure maximum safety
tell that to the cops, they are trained not to panic and in most confrontations they still panic, sometimes it's not even a situation where a confrontation is likely
http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2007/05/31/wtf/doc465d944e45f79700754832.txt
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/02/AR2006030201678.html
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Re: renters rights.... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8400027 - 05/14/08 08:29 AM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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all of my guns are loaded......they arent just sticks!
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Chemy
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rugergirl79 said:
all of my guns are loaded......they arent just sticks!
That is great to hear, generally people don't know what's going on in the real world, I mean home invasions don't happen on sitcoms, so why would anyone ever need a gun? Time to ban guns nobody needs em.
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rugergirl79 said:
all of my guns are loaded...
I already made that assumption since your original post
demonstrated you were ready to defend yourself, I applaud you
for the measure of restraint you maintained in what I already
know to be an terrifying situation, you did well in identifying
the intruder and not just dropping him on the spot, while some
might condemn your actions, I believe you did better than most
'professionals' in similar situations
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Re: renters rights.... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8400065 - 05/14/08 08:47 AM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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thankyou.......and actually i am going into law enforcement. i am a couple of classes away from my criminal justice bs degree and hopefully i will be able to think as quickly on my feet as i did the morning maintence came in......have a great week. kat
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rugergirl79 said:
thankyou.......and actually i am going into law enforcement.
I'm sure you'll be a great peace officer, I believe you'll
beable to keep your head in the touchy situations you may
inevitably find yourself in, make sure you do your homework,
learn where others fall short.
a good friend spent 10 years as a cop in NYC and another 20 here
in georgia, in that time he's been in some very hairy situations
but he's quite thankful that his quick thinking has helped keep
him from shooting anyone
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