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 composted manure question
#8389483 - 05/11/08 03:24 PM (4 months, 25 days ago) |
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im getting some composted horse manure today and was wondering about my method im going to use to leech it.
i plan in putting a bunch of it into a pillowcase and putting a hose in it and hang it from my fence and run water through it for a couple hours and then drying it out in the sun.
I guess my question's are:
-will two hours be long enough to properly leech it?
-and if it is, how many times should i run water through it at two hr intervals? would just once be enough?
thanks for the help guys i appreciate it.
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Edited by johnnyboy (05/14/08 02:33 AM)
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Re: proper leeching question [Re: johnnyboy]
#8389498 - 05/11/08 03:29 PM (4 months, 25 days ago) |
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if its fully composted there is no need to leech it, you only need to leech it if it is fresh, because fresh manure contains high amounts of ammonia, and composted manure does not...
if it is composted than all you need to do is pastuerize
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Re: proper leeching question [Re: grymmtymm]
#8396094 - 05/13/08 10:23 AM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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grymmtymm said:
if its fully composted there is no need to leech it, you only need to leech it if it is fresh, because fresh manure contains high amounts of ammonia, and composted manure does not...
if it is composted than all you need to do is pastuerize
i read that if it's composted you still need to leech it.
but who am i to say..
i picked up about 45 gallons of composted manure yesterday and leeched about 20 qrts worth just to see how it went. now i have a muddy mess that im trying to dry out on a tarp in m garage.
is it okay if there are a few little rocks in with the manure? and theirs probabally some mud un there too. will this still colonize okay?
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Re: proper leeching question [Re: johnnyboy]
#8396165 - 05/13/08 10:40 AM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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You want to pick out all the rocks, I read that on some zany mushroom website.
I also read that sun drying is preferred, nice n quick. If it's already spread on a tarp, just drag it outside for a day or two, dry it, then figure out your hydration/pasteurization method.
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Re: proper leeching question [Re: abica]
#8396356 - 05/13/08 11:36 AM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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yea i only put it in the garage because it's raining out. i have a fan on it though. once it clears up i plan on bringing it outside.
-can anybody else comment on if composted horse manure should still be leeched?
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Re: proper leeching question [Re: johnnyboy]
#8396422 - 05/13/08 11:59 AM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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I don't. Commercial mushroom farms generally don't.
Leeching doesn't just pull out the ammonia, but useful nutrients as well. The ammonia should have been broken down during a good AEROBIC composting process. Get a good handful and take a big whiff. If it smells good and earthy, like hearty garden soil, it's ready for pasteurization.
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Re: proper leeching question [Re: Premedman1]
#8396481 - 05/13/08 12:14 PM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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thanks a million man. that's just the answer i was looking for. yea it smells like soil. so i think ill let it dry out some (because we've gotten a lot of rain latley) break it up and pick out all the rocks and sticks and pasteurize it.
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Re: proper leeching question [Re: johnnyboy]
#8398600 - 05/13/08 09:16 PM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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here's a few pics of the manure i just picked up (sorry about the bad pictures guys.) anyways its wet right now because it was in the middle of a compost pile and we've had alot of rain latley.
I have a couple of questions though
1. i've found a few chunks of mud in the mix and was wondering when this stuff drys out would it be okay to break this stuff up and mix it in with the manure?
2. have you guys ever gotten stuff like this? with rocks, mudballs and chunks of pig bone in your composted manure? if so, how through we're you guys with cleaning it and getting all the chunks broken up?
sorry for all the questions but i really want this substrate to turn out good and ive never dealt with composted manure before. thanks
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Re: proper leeching question [Re: johnnyboy]
#8398652 - 05/13/08 09:24 PM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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hahaha...looks like poo... 
so say if i get a big ass bag of poo from a field. theres wet poo, there dry poo thats still dark, and then theres dry poo that is tan to light tan and dry to the bone...
which of these is the best to get?
which one/ones is necissary to leech?
is there any of these that i can just properly hydrate and use for an outdoor grow?
not tryin to thread jack, just think this will help out OP and all of us wondering about leeching
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Re: proper leeching question [Re: just me]
#8399595 - 05/14/08 02:32 AM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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i already know that field aged horse manure is the best kind to get. so your post was really unessassary. my questions were about composted manure. so again i was wondering,
- if you guys have ever dealt with any composted manure like this? how through were you about cleaning it and would it be okay to break up the mud balls when their dry and keep them in with the manure?
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Re: proper leeching question [Re: johnnyboy]
#8400138 - 05/14/08 09:28 AM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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...ok, i just put n the last part to make it not look like a thread jack 
but maybe i can ask you then, which one(color, texture) is the properly "aged" manure?
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Re: proper leeching question [Re: just me]
#8400266 - 05/14/08 10:41 AM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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I am dealing with the same sort of manure, composted, with very similar appearance.
Mine has a decent amount of "grassy type stuff" in it, and when a wet handful is squeezed, it has a spongy, loamy feel to it.
Is that kind of how yours is?
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I've read that overly composted manure turns too dirt-like, and when it's wet, turns to "mud."
Therefore, I don't think that mud clumps in poo are a good thing. They would possibly be hard for mycelium to colonize, or if mixed in real good, might make the substrate "muddier" and not provide much in the way of nutes?
I've been getting pissed at the rain too the last few days, you must be right down the street or something. I've got a big poo pile in back near my garden, and I want to harvest some for the weekend's big first time spawn, but damn if it doesn't keep raining and raining...at least it's stopped more or less today.
So I'm hopping on board here, fellow poo-picker, I have the same mud clumps in my pile.
EDIT- I wanted to keep your question on the bottom of the thread, but anyway, tonight I sifted through my pile and pulled out poo I felt was proper and threw it in a bucket. A decent amount of road apples and really loamy composted stuff. Picked out most of the rocks and sticks, time to throw it on a tarp tomorrow and pick through it in my garage while it's raining.
One thing I'm curious to look at is the consistency of some weathered 'nuggets' vs. the more composted stuff...I know that weathered nuggets are recommended, so if the more composted poo is similar, then mine ought to be good to go.
The last few days of rain seemed to wash a lot of the muddy stuff out of parts of my pile, which had been spread around quite a bit since I've been, uh, exploring it.
 Damn what did I get myself into? LOL
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Edited by abica (05/14/08 10:50 PM)
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Re: proper leeching question [Re: abica]
#8402912 - 05/14/08 10:03 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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i gave up on mine and decided to through it in my garden. i had it out on a tarp to dry today because it was really sunny and i was going through it and trying to crush up all the balls and felt that their was just to much mud, rocks and sticks oh and lets not forget the maggots i found feasting on something in there. so off to the garden. i personally dont think this stuff would of worked. so i guess im sticking to coir until i can find a cleaner pile of composted manure or some good field aged stuff.
again i ask though if any of you seasoned growers have ever used anything like this and had your projects tourn out?
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Re: proper leeching question [Re: johnnyboy]
#8403220 - 05/14/08 10:56 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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if you tell me which is the good stuff to get from the field, ill tell you how it works out when i start my outdoor crops.
im not gonna pay for POOP unless i absolutely have to, so throwin batches out isnt gonna work for me. so ill have to use whateva i get...
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Re: proper leeching question [Re: just me]
#8403266 - 05/14/08 11:04 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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it will be light brown and crumble when you break it up. it should have no smell to it besides an earthy smell like dirt. and its really good stuff if it has some white on it. that's called firefang and ensures its readyness
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Re: proper leeching question [Re: blood4blood]
#8403275 - 05/14/08 11:06 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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okie dokie 
thats whats considered naturally composted?
can i store that stuff(if COMPLETELY dry) in a rubermaid or somethin?
and does this still require leeching or just saturation to field capacity?
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Re: proper leeching question [Re: just me]
#8403295 - 05/14/08 11:10 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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yea you can store it for life if its completly dry. no need to leech it mother nature has done that for you. and the sun should have flashed off all the ammonia. so if you can find some like i described you'd be golden.
OP- i wouldnt mess with that composted crap IMO. just to much shit to pick through. and i doubt myc likes rocks and balls of mud. and maggots! gross man.
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Re: proper leeching question [Re: blood4blood]
#8403330 - 05/14/08 11:17 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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OP- i wouldnt mess with that composted crap IMO. just to much shit to pick through. and i doubt myc likes rocks and balls of mud. and maggots! gross man.
i know i sure do...
thanks for the help!
hope i can find enough of the "just right" shit.
if not, ill get as much of the near dry stuff thats still a lil dark, but mostly dry. is THIS poo that requires leeching?
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Re: proper leeching question [Re: just me]
#8403373 - 05/14/08 11:27 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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no i still wouldnt leech that stuff either. just set it out in the sun for a couple weeks and keep turning it and breaking it up until it no longer smells of urine. maybe spray some water on it every couple of days. kinda mimic nature you know. like was stated above, leeching pulls out alot of useful nutes.
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Re: proper leeching question [Re: blood4blood]
#8403429 - 05/14/08 11:43 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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gotcha. so if i live in an area that gets a tinkle from the big man almost daily, this "shit" should compost fairly quickly?
well this is ALLLLLLRIGHT!
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