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#8379535 - 05/08/08 09:13 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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I am brewing the beer as well as these ciders. Second time making beer. I use the premade mash kits that's almost "just add water" but I add a little of my own ingredients to give them my own unique taste. I was thinking of wok distilling because its something I haven't done before and wanna try it out, kind of test my merits.
Heh, I tried making my own cider from crushed apples last fall... didn't work out so well. Mainly because they weren't crushed but put through a food processor. I wasn't very sanitary. At least this way I know the cider going in is clean.
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heh, i might just have to find out if alcohol reacts with aluminum. i think it's pretty safe.
i wouldn't know how to set that up without using crap like sealants... maybe get a mason jar for a vessel and cut a hole that'll be tight enough to fit a u shaped tube?
would all of the alcohol even evaporate? it takes a temp. higher than room temp. doesn't it? maybe sun-distill? but that might ruin some of the flavors...
sorry i don't feel comfortable explaining any more  best bet is to do lots of reading before you try anything
that wok still is prob your best bet
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Re: How-To make 20%+ Apple Cider!!! [Re: makaveli8x8]
#8380110 - 05/08/08 11:14 PM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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This thread kicks ass. All my friends love cider.
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Re: How-To make 20%+ Apple Cider!!! [Re: makaveli8x8]
#8380332 - 05/09/08 12:21 AM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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sorry i don't feel comfortable explaining any more best bet is to do lots of reading before you try anything
that wok still is prob your best bet
lol, what makes you feel uncomfortable? you feel uncomfortable explaining why aluminum would be a bad choice for an improvised still? you feel uncomfortable explaining or providing plans to catching evaporated alcohol? lol, not tryin to be a dick, just wondering why you used the word uncomfortable.. strange.
anyway i'll probably end up buying a wok.
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lol, not tryin to be a dick, just wondering why you used the word uncomfortable.. strange.
funny, i somehow didnt see him say uncomfortable 
he probably isnt "uncomfortable", hes probably just not in the know about the exact reasons why you shouldn't use aluminum.
but in all truth, it will create a toxic mess if you use aluminum, high amounts of aluminum are really really bad for you, the same as high amounts of any metals. if you use anything other than stainless steel or copper, you could be poisoning yourself, ever wonder where people are coming from when talking about going blind from distilling it wrong?
and still, not sure ide trust anything steel either.
copper (given its fresh and been ran a few times with water before you use alcohol), is the cleanest you can use.
your cheapest still could be made using a soup pot with a wok full of ice on top of it.
but in all truth again, its not hard to whip together a copper still, all you need is a torch (MAPP is fine - check hardware stores), silver sodder (hardware store or a plumbing supply place), and the copper pieces (same sources as the sodder).
it took me and a friend 5 minutes to whip one up, though we've never used it.
please do some reading about this subject, its very touchy, and illegal for a reason - too many idiots going blind.
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Re: How-To make 20%+ Apple Cider!!! [Re: CptnGarden]
#8382805 - 05/09/08 06:47 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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heh, actually the thing about people going blind is from methanol, look it up.
and i don't really think that alcohol reacts with aluminum, nor would aluminum be going into the distillate. if that were the case every time you used aluminum foil to wrap up food you'd be consuming aluminum.
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ever wonder where people are coming from when talking about going blind from distilling it wrong?
From stuff they cut it with...
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alcohol is a solvent, food is not.
go ahead, drink aluminum, let darwinism take its course.
please get out of my thread if your going to suggest dangerous and illegal methods of brewing alcohol, i dont want anyone getting sick or dying cause of something they read here and didnt research.
keep this crap to yourself, cause its 100% not safe.
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Re: How-To make 20%+ Apple Cider!!! [Re: CptnGarden]
#8383206 - 05/09/08 08:56 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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alcohol is a solvent, food is not.
go ahead, drink aluminum, let darwinism take its course.
please get out of my thread if your going to suggest dangerous and illegal methods of brewing alcohol, i dont want anyone getting sick or dying cause of something they read here and didnt research.
keep this crap to yourself, cause its 100% not safe.
Don't ever eat out. Aluminum is used all the time in pro cooking..
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Re: How-To make 20%+ Apple Cider!!! [Re: Brainiac]
#8383554 - 05/09/08 10:34 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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http://www.lenntech.com/elements-and-water/aluminum-and-water.htm
solubility of aluminum in water
chlorine in your water?
your now not only possibly drinking aluminum chlorinate...
but if theres oxygen in the air around you your possibly drinking aluminum oxide and aluminum hydroxide...
what if your distilling apple juice? guess what, your drinking aluminum
citrate!
now condense all those in a timely distilling manner 
and consider the fact they are just different forms of aluminum.
see you in hell?
now im not saying aluminums horrible.
did you know its formed naturally by weathering minerals?
but its NOT healthy in large amounts.
Alzheimer's patients have been shown to have higher concentrations of alumnium in their brains than normal adults.
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Aluminium has been shown to be associated with both plaques and tangles in the Alzheimer brain.
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Treatment with desferrioxamine (DFO), a drug which binds aluminium and removes it from body tissues, has been reported to slow down the mental decline in patients with Alzheimer's disease.
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There have been many experimental studies on animals and on isolated cells showing that aluminium has toxic effects on the nervous system, but in almost all cases the doses of aluminium used were much higher than those occurring naturally in tissues.
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Food - many foods contain small amounts of aluminium.
no need to worry about wrapping your food, its probably already there.
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Packaging - food may come into contact with aluminium through packaging or using aluminium foil or trays for freezing, storing or cooking. However, the amount of aluminium added to food in this way is usually negligible.
oh what do you know you were correct
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Pans - cooking in uncoated aluminium utensils can increase the amount of aluminium in certain foods such as fruits which are high in acid..
they agree.
alumin citrate, would be formed by apple cider 
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Water - aluminium is naturally present in some water and, in addition, aluminium sulphate is widely used in the treatment of public water supplies. However, intake of aluminium from water is very small in comparison with other sources.
but what if its distilled?
Aluminum Sulphide
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Toxicity to humans, including carcinogenicity, reproductive and developmental toxicity, neurotoxicity, and acute toxicity.
from http://pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Chemical.jsp?Rec_Id=PC35278
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WARNING! HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED OR INHALED. CAUSES IRRITATION TO SKIN, EYES AND RESPIRATORY TRACT.
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Ingestion:
Get medical attention immediately.
and even if you heat it over its decomposition point
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Toxic and corrosive oxides of sulfur may be formed when heated to decomposition.
and may i bore you all with you info and continue on for another 55 sentences?!?!?!
seriously, your right, its not an alcohol and aluminum interaction problem, as aluminum is completely insoluble( which means its not soluble )
in alcohol, under normal conditions (whatever that means)
but it is soluble in water in many different forms, which are not usually toxic to humans.
be aware your distilling which is condensing the form of your contents.
toxic alums vaporize into a liquid form at 88 degrees Fahrenheit, which means they would be condensed as your distill.
unless your producing 100% alcohol (which is nearly impossible with a home-made still), your probably ingesting high quantities of aluminum by distilling it in an aluminum vessel or using aluminum tubes.
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Re: How-To make 20%+ Apple Cider!!! [Re: CptnGarden]
#8383600 - 05/09/08 10:45 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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I only use cast iron and Ssteel..I know with high acid foods it can come out into the food..I messed up a good cafund pie that away.. Don't forget about all the lead thats in stuff and the human shit they use around food crops.That are shipped over to the usa...
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Re: How-To make 20%+ Apple Cider!!! [Re: CptnGarden]
#8383610 - 05/09/08 10:48 PM (3 months, 19 days ago) |
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CptnGarden said:
alcohol is a solvent, food is not.
go ahead, drink aluminum, let darwinism take its course.
please get out of my thread if your going to suggest dangerous and illegal methods of brewing alcohol, i dont want anyone getting sick or dying cause of something they read here and didnt research.
keep this crap to yourself, cause its 100% not safe.
hey asshole, get the fuck off your high horse. my question was a legitimate one so fuck off.
i just did some research and yes aluminum does react to acids, but only at high ph. and PURE aluminum reacts with water. lets look at soda, contains water, and contains acid, and stored in an aluminum container. any reactions? nope. thanks for making me do research jackass. and the part about heating- it is only going to be heated to the temperature of the water, and aluminum foil is used in OVENS, WITH STEAM.. so i think you are bullshitting and have no right to tell me shit.
ps. more from homedistiller.org
"What Materials are Suitable ?
Coulson, Richardson & Sinnott report that:
* aluminium, aluminium bronze, brass, copper, gunmetal and bronze, high Si iron, nickel, nickle-copper alloys, platinum, silver, stainless steel (18/8, molybedenum & austenitic ferric), titanium, tantalum, and zirconium "
that quote is in reference to a boiler (what you boil your wash in).
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on another note. how long after first pitching the yeast did you need to add more sugar to the cider? This sandwich baggy method doesn't really let me see if its still 'bubbling' I might need to make my own water airlocks.
what about pies baked in aluminum pie dishes? I love apple pie and I bake em in those dishes :\ maybe I should find some reusable die dish mold thing *shrug*
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Re: How-To make 20%+ Apple Cider!!! [Re: MonChe]
#8385969 - 05/10/08 04:15 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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the time varies, keep an eye on the actual brew itself! the bubbles will slow down a lot, usually after 10 days or so.
i wouldn't worry about food and aluminum, its such small amounts that it wouldn't pose a problem. the only thing you gotta be weary of is the fact that when your distilling, the aluminum would become concentrated, sometimes in large enough amounts that it could be considered "toxic" if not fatal
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Re: How-To make 20%+ Apple Cider!!! [Re: MonChe]
#8386752 - 05/10/08 07:44 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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you might be able to find some rubber stoppers at a hobby store, my local hobby store actually sells homebrew equipment  airlocks are about $1 same with rubber stopper and they are reusable and much easier to work with. I imagine a closet full of condoms is kinda hard to explain at first
alot of people use a rubber stopper and a hose going into a glass of water or alcohol, the advantage of this setup is that during the first 24 hours of fermentation if you don't leave enough head room it can overflow and make a mess
as for how and when to add more sugar, find out about how much alcohol your yeast can go up to and then you can use this calculater
here
it will show you how much sugar you need to reach a certain alcohol level roughly. so just space it out
i just did a quick calculation and it looks like 3 lbs, or 7.6 cups of sugar will get you around 19% alcohol. but if you add that much sugar i imagine you would have a very potent undrinkable product
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Re: How-To make 20%+ Apple Cider!!! [Re: makaveli8x8]
#8387245 - 05/10/08 10:19 PM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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i agree, airlocks would be better for this method, and please feel free to experiment.
as for a few pointers,
- a good indication that you can stop adding sugar(by giving it another tablespoon or so), is when you start to see yeast clumps rising to the surface, due to some sugar being able to get past the yeast far enough to reach the bottom of the brew.
- the foam formed by the feedings will go away at a gradually slower rate through time. (after lots of feedings it may take a good 10 minutes for the foam to settle )
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for what reason? i dont know, but the surface layer of your brew will get a thicker consistency sometimes, and you may notice bubbles that are coming up out in the center of the brew drifting off to the side of the container to surface and disperse indicating that the surface layer might be thicker.
be sure to taste test your brew, and check it out well using many of your senses, and if you decide to drink it be sure to wait 24 hours before letting anyone else drink your brew.
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Re: How-To make 20%+ Apple Cider!!! [Re: CptnGarden]
#8390315 - 05/11/08 07:18 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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if your looking for a quick fix, beer usually only takes 3 days!
If you have a good recipe and are willing to share, by all means do! I'd love to get into beer brewing but I haven't yet looked into it much.
On a side note, I find that saran wrap and a rubber band work just as well if not better than the sandwich baggy and rubber band method.
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Re: How-To make 20%+ Apple Cider!!! [Re: CptnGarden]
#8394621 - 05/12/08 09:44 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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well, i can't quite remember off the top of my head how long i've had mine fermenting. bout 3 weeks i'd guess. maybe only 2.5. regardless, i've put a fair amount of sugar in 'em, and i figured i wanted to give some a taste. yesterday i filled a small crown bottle (750ml) and stuck it in the fridge to make the yeast drop. that's given me a nice tall pint for today.
first impression - a bit bland, but not too bad. i put a bit more sugar in and stirred, just to give it a wee bit of flavor. but overall, for $6/gal, it's really rather tasty.
what are some other suggestions to spice it up a bit? you said a whole dried cinnamon stick in the bottle, what else?
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oh, and as for potency so far, it seems decent. it's not so strong i can't enjoy gulping it. but one pint has earned me the beginnings of a solid buzz. i believe 2 would put me in a right drunken state, especially if drank in quick succession.
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heh, glad someone got to try a bit.
cinnamon sticks work well, cloves are another, also maybe nutmeg.
but like i said careful with spices, they can be sickeningly overpowering, especially cloves.
other fruits and dried things.
dried: raisins, apricots, blueberries, cranberries (not too many), etc
also orange or apple slices, etc
apple slices might boost the appley flavors.
yeast REALLY loves mango, and pineapples.
whatever you do, be creative, have fun, and get wasted!! lol
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