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 oreandra
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 Usefulness of plant allies?
#8397145 - 05/13/08 02:57 PM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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Do you folks think that Plant hallucinogens can provide useful information? healing? Or is it just good times for most folks?
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Usefulness of plant allies? [Re: oreandra]
#8397187 - 05/13/08 03:05 PM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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Plant allies only allow one to glimpse a diiferent part of their own mind. Emotional healing is possible; physical healing is mere non-causal anecdote - and remote knowledge/magic is total nonsense.
You may now close this thread as all salient points have been concisely covered.
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Re: Usefulness of plant allies? [Re: Icelander]
#8397446 - 05/13/08 04:09 PM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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Same, and will continue to do so.
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Re: Usefulness of plant allies? [Re: Icelander]
#8397456 - 05/13/08 04:13 PM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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I eat my sole with mushrooms too, it's delicious indeed, and there's lots of great recipes around 
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Re: Usefulness of plant allies? [Re: oreandra]
#8397613 - 05/13/08 04:53 PM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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hallucinogens seem like a necessary step in breaking somewhat free from the dominance society has over our minds, at least in most cases. they are catalysts in helping to restore self-control and personal freedom.
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Plant allies only allow one to glimpse a diiferent part of their own mind.
"Only"? Through learning more about one's own mind, one can have insights about other aspects of life.
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Emotional healing is possible; physical healing is mere non-causal anecdote - and remote knowledge/magic is total nonsense.
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You may now close this thread as all salient points have been concisely covered.
I think psychedelics can make for good entertainment. They aren't party drugs for me, but they can make for a fun and uplifting night with a few friends.
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i think plant allies are the most helpful and insightful way to look into ones self. They are great learning lessons as well as a healers.
It all really does depend on the process of ingestion.
If your just with your friends and you wanna trip so you take mushrooms is completly diffrent then if you take mushrooms with a more legit meaning. (i couldnt think of a better word then legit)
This is of course my opinion and i would love to hear everybody elses
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Plant allies only allow one to glimpse a diiferent part of their own mind. Emotional healing is possible;
Would you say that you catch a glimpse of the latent unconditioned part that is within all minds?
Or are you saying just a glimpse of that different part which is in the participants own individual mind, thus emotional healiing...so individuality is influencing this "different part" which is seen?
Before you say it yes im "missing the point"
Im just curious as to whether you feel we access the unconditioned part of mind which is latent in all beings, or if u meant just merely different parts of the individuals own mind?
Id say both...
Id say to some extent we access that consciousness which is unconditioned & latent in all beings, as some ego is dropped, thus its having the same effect on all minds that consume the drug, some ego loss. The only part that is under the influence of the individual mind is under the influence of ego, as individual mind IS the ego, thus emotional healing can take place for that individuals ego/mind.
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Re: Usefulness of plant allies? [Re: Chronic777]
#8400435 - 05/14/08 11:38 AM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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Would you say that you catch a glimpse of the latent unconditioned part that is within all minds?
To pretend to know what is within ALL MINDS is either projection or illusion of the highest order.
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What about ego, thats in all minds, the need to survive as an individual, looking after number one?
I dont pretend, i KNOW, that the innate mind of clear light, the buddha nature is in all beings, waiting to be enlightened. This statement is devoid of all arrogance no matter how a sweeping statement it sounds to anyones ego...i wouldn't even say its in they're minds though, just within they're being.
Or maybe this was just an illusionary experience imagined by me (just to save arguement)
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Every human mind can be metaphysically connected to each other, by accessing and gaining control of the subconscious. Hallucinogens have no other use in nature other than expanding the minds of humans. Properly used they can break down the barriers that the conscious ego has erected. Skepticism should be a tool, not a prophylactic.
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Re: Usefulness of plant allies? [Re: C.M. Mann]
#8400639 - 05/14/08 12:32 PM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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Every human mind can be metaphysically connected to each other, by accessing and gaining control of the subconscious.
Opinion, not fact, unless you have some way to back this up. The divisions of our mental processes into "conscious," "unconscious" & "sub-conscious" are artificial, and do not necessarily describe the function of the human brain. The idea that something we've labeled "sub-conscious" can connect our individual mind to other minds is interesting, but quite unlikely.
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Re: Usefulness of plant allies? [Re: C.M. Mann]
#8400641 - 05/14/08 12:33 PM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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C.M. Mann said:
Every human mind can be metaphysically connected to each other, by accessing and gaining control of the subconscious. Hallucinogens have no other use in nature other than expanding the minds of humans. Properly used they can break down the barriers that the conscious ego has erected. Skepticism should be a tool, not a prophylactic.
Are you sure you've looked at mushrooms from every angle before saying their ONLY use in nature is for human mind-expansion? The food chain is a bit more tangled than that.
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Language and culture create a kind of shared consciousness; to speak is to evoke tens of thousands of years of history, the development of language itself.
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Re: Usefulness of plant allies? [Re: Tchan909]
#8400682 - 05/14/08 12:41 PM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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Language and culture create a kind of shared consciousness; to speak is to evoke tens of thousands of years of history, the development of language itself.
Yep, and our physical bodies are some of the most recent manifestations of life's entire evolutionary journey.
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Re: Usefulness of plant allies? [Re: Veritas]
#8400696 - 05/14/08 12:44 PM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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The idea that something we've labeled "sub-conscious" can connect our individual mind to other minds is interesting, but quite unlikely.
Somehow I knew you were going to write that.
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The idea that something we've labeled "sub-conscious" can connect our individual mind to other minds is interesting, but quite unlikely.
Somehow I knew you were going to write that.
Somehow  classic!
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oreandra
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Yep, and our physical bodies are some of the most recent manifestations of life's entire evolutionary journey.
Love it!
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Re: Usefulness of plant allies? [Re: Veritas]
#8409638 - 05/16/08 02:01 PM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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The nature of a philosophical debate, is that people exchange opinions. The words I use are common terms, they are not my words but I use them for familiararity. I have experienced a metaphysical connection, do not be too willing to close your mind. You are right in that these labels do little to explain the funtions of the mind. The mind is one energy, and it controls the whole mind.
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Re: Usefulness of plant allies? [Re: C.M. Mann]
#8409659 - 05/16/08 02:10 PM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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You are not presenting philosophical ideas, which cannot be substantiated, but rather stating as fact that an individual's subconscious mind can communicate with other minds. As this is a falsifiable claim, it is more scientific than philosophical.
And the nature of philosophical debate is NOT to present opinions, but to state a stance and provide logical support for that stance. If opinion was sufficient, it would be a talk show, not a debate.
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Re: Usefulness of plant allies? [Re: Veritas]
#8409674 - 05/16/08 02:14 PM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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Been watchin' the soaps this afternoon?
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Re: Usefulness of plant allies? [Re: Veritas]
#8409695 - 05/16/08 02:20 PM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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Been watchin' the soaps this afternoon?
Mostly talkin to myself and pondering the notion of immaculate con(tra)ception.
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All of the responsibility with none of the fun? Sounds like a bad deal to me. 
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Re: Usefulness of plant allies? [Re: Veritas]
#8409762 - 05/16/08 02:36 PM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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