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 deranger
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 Re: What is best in life? [Re: Rahz]
#8397472 - 05/13/08 04:18 PM (7 months, 23 days ago) |
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what is best for me atm is realizing the potential there is to experience in this life, and being in deep, still silence.
an orgasm lacks that depth...
may as well just shoot some heroin or eat some Dilauded, lasts a lot longer...
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Re: What is best in life? [Re: deranger]
#8397473 - 05/13/08 04:18 PM (7 months, 23 days ago) |
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an orgasm lacks that depth...
Maybe you're doing it wrong. 
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Re: What is best in life? [Re: Veritas]
#8397518 - 05/13/08 04:29 PM (7 months, 23 days ago) |
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it's too short for guys, maybe women have it better.
there's not enough time to really delve into the moment, it happens then it's over in a flash.
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Re: What is best in life? [Re: deranger]
#8397521 - 05/13/08 04:29 PM (7 months, 23 days ago) |
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Men can have incredible orgasmic experiences if they learn to orgasm without ejaculating. I've talked to men who practice Tantra, and they say that they've had full-body orgasms which last for 5-10 minutes.
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Re: What is best in life? [Re: Veritas]
#8397543 - 05/13/08 04:34 PM (7 months, 23 days ago) |
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yep, gotta work those muscles. but it's no simple task...
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Re: What is best in life? [Re: deranger]
#8397550 - 05/13/08 04:36 PM (7 months, 23 days ago) |
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It's not just about the muscles. If you're interested, I'd recommend reading Charles & Caroline Muir's book, "Conscious Loving." It's an excellent guide to the Western practice of Tantra.
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Re: What is best in life? [Re: Veritas]
#8397566 - 05/13/08 04:39 PM (7 months, 23 days ago) |
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for sure, but learning to control the muscles is a requirement when practising seminal retention. but i am aware that there is a lot more to it when cultivating sex energy.
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Re: What is best in life? [Re: deranger]
#8397684 - 05/13/08 05:12 PM (7 months, 23 days ago) |
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The moment. Live for it.
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Re: What is best in life? [Re: Grapefruit]
#8399908 - 05/14/08 07:17 AM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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Best thing to have in life is wisdom.
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Re: What is best in life? [Re: eve69]
#8399912 - 05/14/08 07:20 AM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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Joy/Bliss, whether it be the joy of sexual union, the joy of egolessness, the joy of relaxation, it is all the same joy.
Joy is what is best in life. 
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In an attempt to see itself infinite Awareness creates endlessly
It sees all creations but remains unseen
The consciousness "I" is its first reflection
Even the power to see is seen within itself
Naturally seeing flows outwards, focusing on the seen & interpreting nature
If the seeing stops flowing out & sees inwardly, to observe the nature of Self
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Re: What is best in life? [Re: Veritas]
#8399925 - 05/14/08 07:27 AM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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Quote:
Veritas said:
Men can have incredible orgasmic experiences if they learn to orgasm without ejaculating. I've talked to men who practice Tantra, and they say that they've had full-body orgasms which last for 5-10 minutes.
Try for a whole hour or more, 5-10 minutes is nothing (although better then 2 seconds!!!)
There is no limit, with the right partner & relaxation it can last days.
The most simple thing ive learned from tantra is relax into each other, deeper & deeper relax into each other. There comes a point where both relax-es dissapear and there is endless bliss.
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Knowing yourself is to know the infinite Awareness that is seeing from the core of all beings
In an attempt to see itself infinite Awareness creates endlessly
It sees all creations but remains unseen
The consciousness "I" is its first reflection
Even the power to see is seen within itself
Naturally seeing flows outwards, focusing on the seen & interpreting nature
If the seeing stops flowing out & sees inwardly, to observe the nature of Self
the hypnotic cycles of identification are destroyed & liberation is attained
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Re: What is best in life? [Re: Rahz]
#8400038 - 05/14/08 08:34 AM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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chronic,
sounds to me like you are one-upping as much as possible.
what is all the one-up-manship about?
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Re: What is best in life? [Re: Rahz]
#8400102 - 05/14/08 09:08 AM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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For me it would be victory, triumph over fear...so I guess in a sense Conan and I are on the same page. This can culminate in climbing a mountain that I was afraid to climb, having a orgasm in a moment of total vulnerability with my lover, overcoming a bad trip, completing a task I thought I couldn't handle, or, my favorite, getting up on stage and playing songs that I have written to a room of strangers and seeing that they are actually listening.
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Chronic777
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Quote:
redgreenvines said:
chronic,
sounds to me like you are one-upping as much as possible.
what is all the one-up-manship about?
Not really, thats your personal interpretation of "what "I" was doing" 
I was just saying a 5-10min body orgasm for a man is pretty good, but its also possible to carry this into daily life, or actually have these body orgasms for up to hours, what we feel when we orgasm can actually be a reality in daily life, its not as intense maybe but that place we touch can be discovered fully.
Theres no "anything you can do, i can do better" arrogance about it or oneupmanship as you refer to it, theres actually nothing i can do better or worse than any other being. I don't have the arrogance to believe i'm special or unique!
I often wonder how people can reach sexual union yet not enquire into what is this place that we taste when we orgasm and the "me" "you" "I" disappears...thats how i got into spirituality, just by thinking "when 2 become one, what is that all about?"
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Knowing yourself is to know the infinite Awareness that is seeing from the core of all beings
In an attempt to see itself infinite Awareness creates endlessly
It sees all creations but remains unseen
The consciousness "I" is its first reflection
Even the power to see is seen within itself
Naturally seeing flows outwards, focusing on the seen & interpreting nature
If the seeing stops flowing out & sees inwardly, to observe the nature of Self
the hypnotic cycles of identification are destroyed & liberation is attained
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Re: What is best in life? [Re: Veritas]
#8400355 - 05/14/08 11:14 AM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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Allowing your libido to control your behaviour is a weakness that gives way to addiction. Pleasuring the ego with sex or violence is not nearly as important as most people think. Our goal should be to have NO enemies, and not to have to crush anyone.
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Re: What is best in life? [Re: C.M. Mann]
#8400408 - 05/14/08 11:28 AM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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Who says that enjoying sex means the libido is in control? Conscious participation in the sensual and sexual appreciation of being alive is NOT addiction nor weakness. Perhaps your POV is based upon the Puritanical viewpoint on sexuality, in which our "lower" impulses are supposed to be ignored in favor of our "higher" spiritual aims. All I can say to that is...
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Re: What is best in life? [Re: Veritas]
#8400434 - 05/14/08 11:38 AM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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This is why tantra teaches indulgence but awareness, then transcendence happens.
Transcendence cant happen with denial of anything.
If you don't know experience, how can you transcend it? (transcending experience actually meaning transcending life, as life/experience are synonymous)
So sexual experience can be used to transcend into the source of sex, the source of life.
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Knowing yourself is to know the infinite Awareness that is seeing from the core of all beings
In an attempt to see itself infinite Awareness creates endlessly
It sees all creations but remains unseen
The consciousness "I" is its first reflection
Even the power to see is seen within itself
Naturally seeing flows outwards, focusing on the seen & interpreting nature
If the seeing stops flowing out & sees inwardly, to observe the nature of Self
the hypnotic cycles of identification are destroyed & liberation is attained
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Re: What is best in life? [Re: Chronic777]
#8400467 - 05/14/08 11:48 AM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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I do not see how transcending either life OR experience is possible, as we are alive and we constantly experience. Are you claiming that we can somehow be above or independent of being alive or experiencing? This sounds like meaningless New Age mumbo-jumbo to me.
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Re: What is best in life? [Re: Veritas]
#8400489 - 05/14/08 11:55 AM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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Few things beat fudging superlatives where there's none. Humans seem to get a kick out of it, it puts meaning where there's none.
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Re: What is best in life? [Re: Veritas]
#8400493 - 05/14/08 11:55 AM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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This sounds like meaningless New Age mumbo-jumbo to me.
The good kind or the bad kind? (BTW, I hope you gave credit to the originator of this phrase.)
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