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 Terrance McKenna fantastical untruth?
#8396900 - 05/13/08 02:01 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Consider this drawing of a cave painting that appears in Food of the Gods. It clearly shows a humanoid figure surrounded in a halo of mushrooms.
Then compare it to the original. Where are the mushrooms? There are four things that could be imagined as mushrooms (or hands?), but these are not present in the reproduction drawing. It seems like a bit of 'creative interpretation' has been applied.
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Re: Terrance McKenna fantastical untruth? [Re: Baeosistine]
#8396919 - 05/13/08 02:05 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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You can see a few mushrooms in the original but not nearly as many as in the drawing.
Both are pretty cool tho.
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 Re: Terrance McKenna fantastical untruth? [Re: creekfreek]
#8396954 - 05/13/08 02:13 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Terence McKenna is just TOO DARN DANDY in "my" opinion
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Re: Terrance McKenna fantastical untruth? [Re: Baeosistine]
#8396989 - 05/13/08 02:21 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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perhaps it's a different area?
or perhaps the original is just too faded to tell?
or perhaps that's just something Terrence drew?
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Re: Terrance McKenna fantastical untruth? [Re: dirtworshipper]
#8397050 - 05/13/08 02:40 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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dirtworshipper said:
perhaps it's a different area?
It's the same one in the Tassili caves
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or perhaps the original is just too faded to tell?
Then why add loads of mushrooms that aren't visible in the original?
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or perhaps that's just something Terrence drew?
No it's a 'copy' of the cave painting and he uses it to support his theory that ancient hunter gatherers used magic mushrooms.
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Re: Terrance McKenna fantastical untruth? [Re: dirtworshipper]
#8397064 - 05/13/08 02:42 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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'...or perhaps that's just something Terrence drew?'
It was actually that Kat chick that did all the other illustrations in the Grower's Guide.
Art for sure. History?? Maybe.
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Re: Terrance McKenna fantastical untruth? [Re: Baeosistine]
#8397068 - 05/13/08 02:43 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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who knows?
I enjoyed Food of the Gods, not my favorite great McKenna work though
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Re: Terrance McKenna fantastical untruth? [Re: backfromthedead]
#8397078 - 05/13/08 02:44 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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"control the past, control the future"
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Re: Terrance McKenna fantastical untruth? [Re: Baeosistine]
#8397081 - 05/13/08 02:44 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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The humanoid is clearly wearing either a gas mask or some form of breathing apparatus.
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Re: Terrance McKenna fantastical untruth? [Re: backfromthedead]
#8397129 - 05/13/08 02:52 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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'No it's a 'copy' of the cave painting and he uses it to support his theory that ancient hunter gatherers used magic mushrooms.'
The world actually learned of an ancient culture's use of 'magic mushrooms' (psilo) by Gordon Wasson with his Life Magazine article in '59.
This outlined the ongoing ritual use of psilocybes by Maria Sabina, a mazatec shaman. Interesting that he chose A. Muscaria as the 'Soma' of the Vedas considering his 'report'.
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Re: Terrance McKenna fantastical untruth? [Re: backfromthedead]
#8397152 - 05/13/08 02:58 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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interesting, indeed
any idea which Veda's speak of the Soma?
i haven't run across it yet
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Re: Terrance McKenna fantastical untruth? [Re: backfromthedead]
#8397175 - 05/13/08 03:03 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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'It seems like a bit of 'creative interpretation' has been applied.'
Shit man really??
IMO, Food of the Gods was a purely speculative look at one alternative view of history.
Mckenna was an artist. His canvas = your reality
How fuckin New Age. Ugh, I'm just disgusted.
Must be Satan's deception.
That wry fuck.
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Re: Terrance McKenna fantastical untruth? [Re: dirtworshipper]
#8397204 - 05/13/08 03:08 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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I just did a google search and came up with these:
HYMN I. Soma Pavamana.
1. In sweetest and most gladdening stream
flow pure, O Soma, on thy way,
Pressed out for Indra, for his drink.
2 Fiend-queller, Friend of all men, he hath with the wood attained unto
His place, his iron-fashioned home.
3 Be thou best Vṛtra-slayer, best granter of bliss, most liberal:
Promote our wealthy princes' gifts.
4 Flow onward with thy juice unto the banquet of the Mighty Gods:
Flow hither for our strength and fame.
5 O Indu, we draw nigh to thee, with this one object day by day:
To thee alone our prayers are said
6 By means of this eternal fleece may Sūrya's Daughter purify
Thy Soma that is foaming forth.
7 Ten sister maids of slender form seize him within the press and hold
Him firmly on the final day.
8 The virgins send him forth: they blow the the skin musician-like and fuse
The triple foe-repelling meath.
9 Inviolable milch-kine round about him blend for Indra's drink,
The fresh young Soma with their milk.
10 In the wild raptures of this draught, Indra slays all the Vṛtras: he,
The Hero, pours his wealth on us.
HYMN II. Soma Pavamana.
1. Soma, flow on, inviting Gods, speed to the purifying cloth:
Pass into Indra, as a Bull.
2 As mighty food speed hitherward, Indu, as a most splendid Steer:
Sit in thy place as one with strength.
3 The well-loved meath was made to flow, the stream of the creative juice
ne Sage drew waters to himself.
4 The mighty waters, yea, the floods accompany thee Mighty One,
When thou wilt clothe thee with the milk.
5 The lake is brightened in the floods. Soma, our Friend, heaven's prop and stay,
Falls on the purifying cloth.
6 The tawny Bull hath bellowed, fair as mighty Mitra to behold:
He shines together with the Sun.
7 Songs, Indu, active in their might are beautified for thee, wherewith
Thou deckest thee for our delight.
8 To thee who givest ample room we pray, to win the joyous draught:
Great are the praise& due to thee.
9 Indu as, Indra's Friend, on us pour with a stream of sweetness, like
Parjanya sender of the rain.
10 Winner of kine, Indu, art thou, winner of heroes, steeds, and strength
Primeval Soul of sacrifice.
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Re: Terrance McKenna fantastical untruth? [Re: backfromthedead]
#8397219 - 05/13/08 03:10 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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McKenna was an entertainer not a historian nor even an anthropologist, despite his degree in that field.
His words were less conjecture and more fictional mythology.
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Re: Terrance McKenna fantastical untruth? [Re: backfromthedead]
#8397226 - 05/13/08 03:11 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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If you've ever dried an A. Muscaria cap, that tawny bull reference is like  jeepers!!
And um... Should I say... GO(L)D??
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'He spent the years after his graduation teaching English in Japan, traveling through India and South Asia collecting butterflies for biological supply companies, and smuggling hashish into the United States.'
-Wiki
Yah, really. I don't know what on earth would give people the impression that he knows what hes talkin about.
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Re: Terrance McKenna fantastical untruth? [Re: backfromthedead]
#8397337 - 05/13/08 03:38 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Smuggling hashish does not make one an expert on the development of the pre-fontal cortex, does it?
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doood! of course it does!
no, but seriously, tis a tad funny that some shroomerites have the gaul to regard Terence's ideas as poppy cock poo naggle when in fact his presence created quite a wave within the academic milieu as well as the collective consciousness. Terence is a genius and he makes me smile wide as a rainbow!
no but seriously
Terence is too darn dandy to fit any category like 'anthropologist' or 'historian' or whatever. He was in search of Self. Anyone who is to follow such a path will transcend the labels birthed by culture.
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From Food of the Gods:
"In the Tassili-n-Ajjer, rock paintings date from the late Neolithic to as recently as two thousand years ago. Here are the earliest known depictions of shamans with large numbers of grazing cattle. The shamans are dancing with fists full of mushrooms and also have mushrooms sprouting out of their bodies (Figure 3)...The pictorial evidence seems incontrovertible."
Well I have an a drawing which show incontrovertible evidence for the existence of worms living in pools of molten lead on Venus.
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 Re: Terrance McKenna fantastical untruth? [Re: Baeosistine]
#8398993 - 05/13/08 10:32 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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You think Terrance drew that from studying a picture on a computer? Or by actually being there, watching it in the cave?
Either way, many factors could play in..
And, there is a lot more than just the shrooms, that look entirely different. Take the ears, for one..
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