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 Oweyervishice
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 Why I'm Not a Vegetarian
#8394972 - 05/12/08 11:27 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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I'm just sitting here eating some jerky and thinking about vegetarians. Some don't eat meat simply because they don't like the taste, and some avoid it due to religious or moral reasons.
I like meat. It's fine if you don't eat it because you think the veggie way is healthier, but that's not gonna stop me. I'm skinny as hell anyway, I could use it.
Yes, slaughterhouses seem a bit cruel sometimes, but honestly, what have you done about it? Sorry, this just isn't going to keep me away from meat either. Maybe I'm evil? 
Another argument is that eating meat is unnatural because humans aren't built like a species of carnivores. Honestly I don't know enough about biology to know if that's true or not, but it makes no difference to me. Some creatures evolved large claws and fangs to hunt with, while humans evolved a big brain. Our guns and knives are just as much a part of nature as claws.
I have no problem if you are a vegetarian, but quit telling me to change my diet.
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Our guns and knives are just as much a part of nature as claws.
Ill certainly agree with that.
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MokshaIs
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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: DieCommie]
#8395262 - 05/13/08 01:33 AM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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"if slaughter houses had glass walls, we'd all be vegetraian"
-some Beatle dood
doooood... be grateful fo da food yo fo sho!
aye...
the meat..
tis been aboot... 8 months since i eat da meat...and ya know what...
GOOSE!
that's all all's got to say.
but seriously, the man pumps the poison into every animal product there is.
BEWARE
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peace
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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: MokshaIs]
#8395515 - 05/13/08 04:50 AM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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One of the main reasons im not vegetarian is i beleive that a carrot is just as much a part of life as any animal. Of course death isnt the end. Death is only an experience.
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 OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: Grapefruit]
#8395778 - 05/13/08 08:38 AM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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Death is only an experience.
And of course, if your time came today and you were in a bloody mess watching your life ebb away, you would be balling your eyes out and not waxing philosophic about how natural the experience is.
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Grapefruit
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I wouldn't mind because death is not the end. I do not desire death, but i do not fear it either. there must be a watcher to see death of mind and body. The watcher can't die because the watcher is seperate from experience.
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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: MokshaIs]
#8395919 - 05/13/08 09:39 AM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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MokshaIs said:
"if slaughter houses had glass walls, we'd all be vegetraian"
This is probably true. Denial is easy until you have images in your head.
Maybe I should request a tour, to keep me honest.
Or maybe burgers are more important to me 
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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#8396028 - 05/13/08 10:04 AM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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If you're sincerely interested, check out the movie 'Earthlings' on www.freedocumentaries.org
It would be hard not to become vegetarian after watching that film. I became 100% vegan for a few weeks after watching it, but could not sustain it. I still eat a turkey sub every now and then, but always feel guilty about it. Sentient beings do not have to be my food, and IMO there's no honestly legitimate reason for them to be...I only ever eat animals because I enjoy the taste.
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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: Lion]
#8396052 - 05/13/08 10:11 AM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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I still wonder if the killing of animals is fundamentally different from the killing of plants, or if I just identify with animals (particularly mammals) more easily because of how similar they are to me.
Is it not just arbitrary favoritism?
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A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. -- `Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.' -- Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.
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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#8396063 - 05/13/08 10:15 AM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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The obvious difference is that animals experience pain and terror when they are being slaughtered, as well as extreme discomfort, pain, anxiety, and depression living in the unsanitary and tightly-crowded conditions of most large holding facilities.
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"My child, because you think you are the body, for a long time you have been bound. Know you are pure awareness. With this knowledge as your sword, cut through your chains and be happy!" ~Ashtavakra Gita
"May all beings realize the ecstatic transparency of their own minds." ~Lao Tzu
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Lion
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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: Lion]
#8396098 - 05/13/08 10:23 AM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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You could make the argument that sentience and the ability to suffer are things we value just because we ourselves are imbued with those attributes, and that in that way killing animals and killing plants is really no different. But then couldn't I justify killing and eating one of your family members by saying it's no worse than you eating a hamburger? You're just more attached to your family member than to a cow because of your similarities, but it's not ultimately any different, is it? Where do we draw the line?
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"My child, because you think you are the body, for a long time you have been bound. Know you are pure awareness. With this knowledge as your sword, cut through your chains and be happy!" ~Ashtavakra Gita
"May all beings realize the ecstatic transparency of their own minds." ~Lao Tzu
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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: Lion]
#8396113 - 05/13/08 10:26 AM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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Being skinny does not mean you are healthy... I am a meat-eater too. But, you need to know that if you are eating packaged meats from your grocer, then you are ingesting horrible chemicals, and even CANCER. That's right! nearly half of all non free-range chickens would have died naturally from cancer. And don't even get me started on fast-food. Bleh!
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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#8396155 - 05/13/08 10:38 AM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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We live in a world that can only be described as a food chain, and we are part of that chain. Humans however are unique among all other living things on this planet, in that we can conceptualize abstract thought. By eating other animals we fall, victimized by our hedonistic weaknesses. We should be evolving past this, but it is just getting worse. I still eat a little pork and a lot of chicken, but I am having a hard time justifying the conditions and the out of control slaughter of billions of animals. There are just too many people, who are too lazy to grow their own food. Go to a "meat proccessing"plant or watch a documentary, find out the facts so you can become an informed consumer.
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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: Lion]
#8396171 - 05/13/08 10:42 AM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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Lion said:
Where do we draw the line?
This damn question keeps popping up 
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A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. -- `Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.' -- Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.
~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"
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Quote:
Oweyervishice said:
I'm just sitting here eating some jerky and thinking about vegetarians. Some don't eat meat simply because they don't like the taste, and some avoid it due to religious or moral reasons.
I like meat. It's fine if you don't eat it because you think the veggie way is healthier, but that's not gonna stop me. I'm skinny as hell anyway, I could use it.
Yes, slaughterhouses seem a bit cruel sometimes, but honestly, what have you done about it? Sorry, this just isn't going to keep me away from meat either. Maybe I'm evil?
Another argument is that eating meat is unnatural because humans aren't built like a species of carnivores. Honestly I don't know enough about biology to know if that's true or not, but it makes no difference to me. Some creatures evolved large claws and fangs to hunt with, while humans evolved a big brain. Our guns and knives are just as much a part of nature as claws.
I have no problem if you are a vegetarian, but quit telling me to change my diet.
Do your thang. Follow your bliss. Be yourself. It's no skin off my ass.
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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: Lion]
#8396413 - 05/13/08 11:56 AM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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Lion said:
The obvious difference is that animals experience pain and terror when they are being slaughtered, as well as extreme discomfort, pain, anxiety, and depression living in the unsanitary and tightly-crowded conditions of most large holding facilities.
Exactly.
When they are killed, lots of hormones and other chemicals and are pumped out into their body, which in turn get taken in by the eater. (not to mention the artificial hormones and chemicals pumped into them before they are killed)
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MokshaIs
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to not eat meat
why that's quite the treat
eating pig fat?
you might as well eat a cat!
as for the American diet
well, there just ain't no need to fry it
so eat up them greens
turn that fat to muscle o so lean
your face shall shine
no more karmic food crime
just good ol enzyme-tastical yum
but seriously...what dirtworshipper said. when we eat the meat, we are eating inconceivable misery.
yum?
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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: MokshaIs]
#8396863 - 05/13/08 01:54 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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I eat meat once in a while, but I understand that it is a thermodynamically ineffective industry and this to me is the only reasonable argument against it.
I think most of these moral arguments are quite phony. They seem to spring out because animals, in particular bigger mammals with their big, round and shiny eyes, react in ways we can easily identify and be empathic to. We are total psychopaths towards plants.
To eat is to kill, period, get over it and eat your veggies.
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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: deimya]
#8396879 - 05/13/08 01:56 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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"eat your veggies"
and your fruits as well
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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: Icelander]
#8397039 - 05/13/08 02:37 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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It's no skin off my ass.
Not until food shortages hit catastrophic levels and cannibalism becomes the norm...
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