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I believe John Cage once gave a "show" at juliard where he sat down at the piano in an auditorium full of eager composition students. he stood back up and knocked the lid support out and it crashed down. the end. half the people were clapping, half of them were intelligent and wondered wtf.
ohhh... the father of chance music. how can you praise work that was merely notes arbitrarily pulled out of a bag? or pigeons on power lines? existential composition is good for idle chat, but beyond that there is little to no artistic quality in it, nor does it surpass the "mundane chord progression" of all other music.
especially 4'33". gotta really respect the work he is most famous for. He squeeks by on fringe esoterics like yourself that are constantly searching for that dada revolution so they can be the first to see the emporers new clothes.
as for Pfunk, I can agree that they were a great band, but they didnt invent funk, hell they didnt even invent their sound. Seriously, nothing is truly new in music, not even the gimmicks. I believe in some interviews clinton cites his sources for all the costumes and stage antics: Peter Gabriel.
also, Pfunk became the "xerox" (brand name) for funk because they had so many cameos in other avenues. I mean, how many people dont know what george clinton looks like? anyone with the game NBA jams should. or anyone that watched PCU. my point is: your opinion on this is severly limited because of overexposure to one band, and minimal exposure to everyone else.... the marley syndrome. How many times have you seen a Sly and the Family stone concert? do you know what sylvester stewart looks like?
could you even name a song by the meters? (well anyoen can with the internet in front of them).... tower of power....the isley brothers....
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icelander: I remember this big yellow firey ball up in the sky. It was scary because it disappeared all the time and we had to dance naked and fuck all the women to bring it back.
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"if there's no such thing as evil, then what are evil spirits then? and don't turn this into a debate on the existence of evil spirits, let's just assume they exist for this argument. "
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Oh what a surprise, bring up all the non music that John Cage wrote. Im sorry you are unaware of this, but he has a huge repeotoire of varied and interesting music for ensembles, chamber music, solo piano, percussion, he has some very interesting and nice music. But how shocking it is to hear you bring up 4'33.
And yea I get your point, you dont like music that everyone else knows about. You stated as much in your post, you dont like PFunk because everyone knows who they are. Sly and the Family Stone are good, but they are not as funky as PFunk. I never said they invented funk, you just constantly want to flex your musical muscle. You are so clearly such a fake and pretentious person, 'oh they are too famous, now I need to go to this other shit so I can tell people they dont know funk' Fuck your band lettuce, they are uninspired, and play mechanically compared to pfunk
70's kool and the gang, sly stone (Fresh! is my favorite, btw), ohio players, graham central station, the meters, bros johnson,... those are great funk bands. also, check out a james brown live show called Love, Power, Peace. it's from 1971, iirc, which means bootsy and catfish collins are in the rhythm section.
with the lettuce album... i cant really put my finger on it. it has all the main ingredients, it just doesnt have that nasty grit that covers great funk. it's good, but not great.
-------------------- wiccan you need a big glass of shut the fuck up ~ Stein
No, no, you're not thinking, you're just being logical. ~ Niels Bohr
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-------------------- wiccan you need a big glass of shut the fuck up ~ Stein
No, no, you're not thinking, you're just being logical. ~ Niels Bohr
I wish my lawn was emo, cuz then it would cut itself ~ paraphrased by coda
Quote: TheCow said: Oh what a surprise, bring up all the non music that John Cage wrote. Im sorry you are unaware of this, but he has a huge repeotoire of varied and interesting music for ensembles, chamber music, solo piano, percussion, he has some very interesting and nice music. But how shocking it is to hear you bring up 4'33.
And yea I get your point, you dont like music that everyone else knows about. You stated as much in your post, you dont like PFunk because everyone knows who they are. Sly and the Family Stone are good, but they are not as funky as PFunk. I never said they invented funk, you just constantly want to flex your musical muscle. You are so clearly such a fake and pretentious person, 'oh they are too famous, now I need to go to this other shit so I can tell people they dont know funk' Fuck your band lettuce, they are uninspired, and play mechanically compared to pfunk
I never said I disliked music because it was popular. my point is that people think if something is new to them, it must be revolutionary and original. How many times do I have to say in this thread that I enjoy and like Pfunk before you stop claiming that I am thumbing my nose at them? I think you are confusing music appreciation with music pretention. I understand that I come off as pretentious in my posts... I mean it that way, but when it comes down to it, I actually just have spheres of deeper appreciation for certain artists, which doesnt neccessarily mean exclusion from listening and enjoying other artists. On the other hand, I am pretentious when it comes to talking to other people about music, because more often than not I have far more exposure and knowledge of music. I especially abhor people who think that they can argue with me about certain genres of music when they can only pull household names out their ass and try to claim that it is the keystone of the genre.
now this is the first post where you actually gave some sort of description of your reason for dissent... even if it was in the very last line. I dont have any problem with it. I can respect that statement... but "meh, they are so-so... no pfunk" is something that is seriously retarded. Im just glad I dont have the problem of becoming absorbed by a band so much that I begin to let their style dictate how I perceive music that is similar.
now as for John Cage... what did you think I meant by the term "John Cage" fan boi? i know he has "real" music... and there are (very few) songs of his that I enjoy, but you have to admit he is the poster child for existential composition which is always at best, a nice quip or jeopardy answer. "oh, did you know that john cage sold tapes with erase heads after the play heads so that you only listened to the song once".... type shit. and by preying on being so esoterically vague, you inevitably draw the emporers tailors who will say that 4'33" is so deep that it is a statement about Absolute Zero.. but given enough obsession and deliberation about any "art peice" you can extrapolate some "deeper meaning".
but back to funk, I have no problem with the dissent as long as it is explained. I prefer technical prowess over stage gimmicks. I prefer epic full sounds rather than storyline melodies.
-------------------- Image from: The Cremaster Cycle, by Matthew Barney
icelander: I remember this big yellow firey ball up in the sky. It was scary because it disappeared all the time and we had to dance naked and fuck all the women to bring it back.
YawningAnus: Those were the days
"if there's no such thing as evil, then what are evil spirits then? and don't turn this into a debate on the existence of evil spirits, let's just assume they exist for this argument. "
-Porcupine
Quote: YawningAnus said: Lettuce just came out with their new album "Rage!"
... imagine all the funk greats getting a make over and in technicolor with plush dirty orange shag carpeting surrounding an afro with platform shoes on.... and you might have an idea of what this album sounds like.
garaunteed enjoyment for the rest of your life.
Coulda seen em live for free this past weekend and I didn't. Guess I shoulda...fuck!
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