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 pothead_bob
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 Using mushrooms during or before a water fast
#8392825 - 05/12/08 01:46 PM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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I'm planning on doing a 10-day water fast (consuming only water for 10 days) to cleanse my body and I was wondering if I can use cubensis mushrooms to help with it.
The point of the fast is that the body will start to eliminate toxins and cancer cells when digestion is stopped. The body also resets the metabolism to utilize food more efficiently, the immune system is boosted, DNA proteins are synthesized with less errors, many ongoing health conditions (eczema) are eliminated, and so on.
Going without food can be so difficult, but whenever I take mushrooms, I lose all desire for food for a good 6-8 hours and then have little desire for food for like 16-24 hours after consumption of the mushrooms. I'm wondering if I can use the mushrooms to make the water fast less difficult, either by taking them the night before the fast starts or throughout the fast every few days. Has anyone ever done this?
It may kind of defeat the purpose of the fast (removing toxins) by consuming a drug, but I'm wondering if eating just a few mushrooms would introduce any significant amount of toxins into the body - it's not like I grew them with pesticides or fertilizers. I can't imagine it would take long to digest the mushrooms either; especially if I made a tea out of them. That way my digestive system would be active for only an hour or two.
Well, let me know if anyone has any experience with this.
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Re: Using mushrooms during or before a water fast [Re: pothead_bob]
#8393471 - 05/12/08 04:51 PM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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Water fasts can be dangerous. Try the master cleanse for better results. The link explains everything. As for the shrooms, I would recommend taking some towards the end of the fast. Shrooms are a great way to clear out negative mental/psychological energy.
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Re: Using mushrooms during or before a water fast [Re: ChiefGreenLeaf]
#8393630 - 05/12/08 05:43 PM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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I've heard of the master cleanse (that's with cayanne pepper and maple syrup, right?), but haven't read much about it.
I've heard a lot of good things about the water fast from various sorces, though. I assume the danger comes in because of the fast release of toxins from your organs, but I'm already eating a diet of raw fruit and vegetables to ease into it and prepare. I'll be adding fresh squeezed lemon to the water I drink to help keep my blood pH balanced and I'll be using filtered spring water instead of distilled because I just don't trust distilled (it isn't natural).
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Re: Using mushrooms during or before a water fast [Re: pothead_bob]
#8393733 - 05/12/08 06:23 PM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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You will be confusing your body by putting anything into your stomach after you've reached ketosis.
I have taken mushrooms at the tail end of water fasting before, but taking mushrooms in the middle of the fast sounds like you will be breaking the fast.
Your whole digestive system shuts down and activating it again to digest anything will break your fast.
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Re: Using mushrooms during or before a water fast [Re: MOTH]
#8393741 - 05/12/08 06:26 PM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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In my opinion a better plan is having mushrooms be the last thing you eat, or the first thing, depending on how long you've fasted.
HOWEVER, I personally wouldn't attempt eating mushrooms after water fasting for more then 3 days. That's just asking for trouble.
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Re: Using mushrooms during or before a water fast [Re: MOTH]
#8394240 - 05/12/08 08:19 PM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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That makes sense to me. What about allowing the psilocybin to absorb directly into your bloodstream through you mouth, though? Just chew up the mushrooms and leave them in your mouth without swallowing. Would the digestive system remain shut down if they were taken that way? Would having the drug in your bloodstream interfere with the fast?
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Re: Using mushrooms during or before a water fast [Re: pothead_bob]
#8394523 - 05/12/08 09:18 PM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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In my opinion, yes. Have you ever water fasted before? You get SOOO weak and *so sensitive* sometimes during a fast. I accidentally hit my elbow once on day 5 of a water fast and was overcome by severe, crippling nausea, dizziness and a blackout and couldn't stand up, just passed out on the bathroom floor at my job. It was very scary. Just imagine what putting a foreign chemical into a body trying to cleanse itself would be like.
Respect the water fast; it's an extreme way to cleanse. It's a trip in itself, dude! Trust me, after a week without food, you don't walk...you FLOAT. I doubt you'll need to trip if you conduct a fast. Fasting is an altered state already.
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Re: Using mushrooms during or before a water fast [Re: MOTH]
#8394730 - 05/12/08 10:09 PM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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HOWEVER, I personally wouldn't attempt eating mushrooms after water fasting for more then 3 days. That's just asking for trouble.
Middleman once talked about his experience taking a large dose of mushrooms after a long (7 to 10 days, I believe) juice fast. Juice is different than water, though. To the OP: maybe you could PM him and ask his advice.
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Re: Using mushrooms during or before a water fast [Re: Lion]
#8395630 - 05/13/08 07:20 AM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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A tea would probably work best
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Re: Using mushrooms during or before a water fast [Re: Lion]
#8395651 - 05/13/08 07:32 AM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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Lion said:
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HOWEVER, I personally wouldn't attempt eating mushrooms after water fasting for more then 3 days. That's just asking for trouble.
Middleman once talked about his experience taking a large dose of mushrooms after a long (7 to 10 days, I believe) juice fast. Juice is different than water, though. To the OP: maybe you could PM him and ask his advice.
Definitely hardcore! I would try it with juice; I personally just get too sensitive and weak during a water fast.
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Re: Using mushrooms during or before a water fast [Re: MOTH]
#8404254 - 05/15/08 07:03 AM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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Well, I'm starting day 3 of the water fast now. I've felt kind of down-trodden and worn out over the past two days, but not too bad. I had a sinus infection when I started which has just about cleared up now. I feel pretty good in the mornings, but progressivly worse throughout the days. I can't believe how addicted to food I am. I'm not even really hungry - I just have these unbelievable cravings for different types of foods. I just keep thinking about nachos and salsa, eggs and toast, sandwiches and hoagies, cheesteaks, pasta, and on and on and on. Like I said, the hunger has become very mild; I just hope the food cravings start to go away because they're making this very difficult.
Odors from my body and lungs were bad the first day and a half but have reduced considerably now. I've been hacking up a lot of phlem, which I'm not sure if it's from the sinus infection or from my lungs (I smoked weed quite a bit over the past year and have recently taken a 30 day break). I lost 6 pounds so far, which makes me think my body still hasn't entered ketosis. I've heard that 1 pound a day should be average. I guess I'll just keep this going until my natural hunger returns, however long that may be.
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Re: Using mushrooms during or before a water fast [Re: pothead_bob]
#8404601 - 05/15/08 09:32 AM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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RAWK ON DUDE! You're doing a powerful healing for your body right now. 
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Re: Using mushrooms during or before a water fast [Re: MOTH]
#8408417 - 05/16/08 06:17 AM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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Day four is now starting. My body is now into survival mode, I think. I only lost 1.2 pounds since yesterday as opposed to the 2-2.5 I have been losing. One thing that's really getting to me is the hunger, or what I think to be hunger. Usually in the mornings I'm fine and actually feel good. Then somewhere between afternoon and night I start feeling hungry. Last night, day three, was the worst. I'm confused because most research I've done on water-fasting says that hunger and desire for food should dissapear by the 2nd day. This morning, instead of waking up feeling great, I'm feeling kind of hungry. I'd really like to go with this fast until 'natural hunger' returns, but I don't even know what that feels like. I doubt what I'm feeling now could be natural hunger, but I am quite skinny (now down to 122 lbs at 5'9"). What does natural hunger feel like? When did hunger pains go away for you and when did you start feeling a sense of well-being like I've been hearing about in so much of my research?
Also, I haven't been noticing many signs of detox. My breath has been pretty clean for the last two days. I'm wondering if my body is too preocupied fighting this sinus infection to do any cleansing. Last night I started feeling pressure in my sinuses again, so I took some colloidal silver to help fight the infection. I know that's not totally with the fast, but I felt this sinus infection is just dragging on too much. I think the silver actually helped quite a bit. Guess I'll just keep taking this fast day-by-day and push it as far as I can. I will stop it when I drop to 115 pounds, though, because I think that's starting to become a dangerous weight. I can feel that I have some body fat, but not a ton.
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Re: Using mushrooms during or before a water fast [Re: pothead_bob]
#8410548 - 05/16/08 06:34 PM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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Fasting is psychedelic for me as well.
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Re: Using mushrooms during or before a water fast [Re: reeferaddict69]
#8413874 - 05/17/08 06:13 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Day 5 is now done. I actually started feeling better on day 4 and the hunger was almost non-existent today. I even went to lunch with friends and didn't order anything and was okay. I've been feeling nauseated more often now and my throat has become sore. I think this is because my body is healing up all the damage that the weed-smoking did. I felt some pains down my left side last night too, but they passed. My tounge still has a white coating, so I guess I'll just keep going with this even though I was planning stopping after day 5. Yesterday I only lost 1/2 pound, so I should be good for quite a few days yet until my low body weight becomes prohibitive. Can't wait to see what things heal up on me. I'm especially hoping that my eczema gets cured.
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Re: Using mushrooms during or before a water fast [Re: pothead_bob]
#8414900 - 05/17/08 11:05 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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Wow, awesome, good for you! You're over the hump, go as long as you can. Your body will definitely let you know when it's time to break the fast (break on fresh juices only) but you sound like you're doing GREAT!
Inspiration, for sure. 
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Re: Using mushrooms during or before a water fast [Re: MOTH]
#8416357 - 05/18/08 01:23 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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Dude you're gonna heal just keep going!! I had a purple bruise on my leg for years but never thought it would heal but it did along with many other things. If you start feeling pain its a good thing because it means you're healing. If possible keep going till your cheesy tongue turns a pretty pink.
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Re: Using mushrooms during or before a water fast [Re: reeferaddict69]
#8425635 - 05/20/08 07:45 PM (4 months, 14 days ago) |
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All in all, I made it six days on the water fast. I broke it after that. My throat was still a little sore at the time, but I just wanted to end the fast at that point. The day after I broke it, my sinus infection came back with a vengence. It's like it was laying dormant for the fast and then bounced right back when it was over. My throat was sore for a day and then cleared up. I've pretty much been catching up on eating the things I've been craving during the fast (healthy things mostly). My eczema looks better, but not totally healed. Hopefully my body did some serious detox.
Now my question is, how should I maintain my results or continue with my fasting? Is it best to do small 1 or 3-day fasts each month or should I go for a longer one near the end of the summer (try for 10 days next time)? With any luck, I'll gain back more weight than I originally had so that the fast won't be so hard on me next time.
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Re: Using mushrooms during or before a water fast [Re: pothead_bob]
#8426155 - 05/20/08 09:35 PM (4 months, 14 days ago) |
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It is said that longer fasts are more beneficial. Speaking from personal experience, fasting 1-3 days, then going back to eating again, then fasting again TOO QUICKLY, tends to confuse the body. It doesn't allow you to get the full benefits of the fast, or the refeeding. Your body/mind starts to feel out of whack with the yoyoing.
However, fasting for a few days each MONTH (followed by a steady refeeding period) sounds optimal, and is also my own goal. I like the idea of doing a three day fast each month and personally this is what I strive for.
Longer fasts are understandably more efficient and desirable, but can be difficult if you work a steady schedule, since more rest is required the longer you go.
A diet of fresh and raw fruits and tender vegetables will help keep your body clean and prepare you for your next fast.
GREAT JOB on your fast, dude! You've really inspired me. It's been about two months since my last fast and I've been feeling like I should at least go for a 3-day again.
If your refeeding is going well and you feel at peace, trip away! 
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Re: Using mushrooms during or before a water fast [Re: MOTH]
#8428854 - 05/21/08 01:37 PM (4 months, 14 days ago) |
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Thanks Moth. Unfortunatly I had to take some antibiotics for my sinus infection - I wanted to stay away from stuff like that after my detox, but overall I've been feeling really good. I feel clean. I plan on finding a nice spot outdoors next week on a nice day and having some mushrooms to celebrate the process. I think I'll try doing a 3-day fast once a month and maybe a long one at the end of the summer.
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