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Endlessness
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 Re: mailing hits [Re: johnm214]
#8388323 - 05/11/08 08:04 AM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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johnm214 said:
LSD is not as sensitive to light/heat as people here seem to think it is. As a solid it is fairly robust, like almost every other chemical in the world.
what you say makes no sense
´as a solid´ .. what do you mean, in blotter paper? or do you mean in ´crystal´ form, which is it´s ´solid´ state ? In that case, it is VERY sensitive to light and heat.. People carrying crystals many times have it in vials with some inert gas, also protected from light..
blotters are only not sensitive for the reasons I mentioned, because the lsd is not all on the outside, the paper´s outer layers act as protections
and.. ´like almost every other chemical in the world´ -- say what?! man, do you have any clue on chemistry? there is a huge amount of chemicals that are not at all stable, how can you make such generalization ?
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Endlessness said:
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johnm214 said:
LSD is not as sensitive to light/heat as people here seem to think it is. As a solid it is fairly robust, like almost every other chemical in the world.
what you say makes no sense
´as a solid´ .. what do you mean, in blotter paper? or do you mean in ´crystal´ form, which is it´s ´solid´ state ? In that case, it is VERY sensitive to light and heat.. People carrying crystals many times have it in vials with some inert gas, also protected from light..
blotters are only not sensitive for the reasons I mentioned, because the lsd is not all on the outside, the paper´s outer layers act as protections
and.. ´like almost every other chemical in the world´ -- say what?! man, do you have any clue on chemistry? there is a huge amount of chemicals that are not at all stable, how can you make such generalization ?
In blotter it's still in crystal form just very small amounts. But yeah, huge generalisation there.
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crystal is impossible to mail if u want to retain quality, sheets are easier, even in large amounts. much safer for both crystal and legl
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xk3m_indica said:
crystal is impossible to mail if u want to retain quality, sheets are easier, even in large amounts. much safer for both crystal and legl
I seen a news story either this year or last about a bust that involved shipping crystal. So i'm sure it's done more often then most of us would think.
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Re: mailing hits [Re: enesi]
#8389694 - 05/11/08 04:37 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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enesi said:
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xk3m_indica said:
crystal is impossible to mail if u want to retain quality, sheets are easier, even in large amounts. much safer for both crystal and legl
I seen a news story either this year or last about a bust that involved shipping crystal. So i'm sure it's done more often then most of us would think.
what a major disappointment
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I watched a show on this were they cut slits into bottoms of childrens books and packed them with kilos of coke. So im sure sending a few hits would be easy as pie.
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Re: mailing hits [Re: enesi]
#8390403 - 05/11/08 07:43 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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shipping crystal can be done, don't get me wrong. I know for a fact that it is brought into Australia from Europe (hence our prices) but this is not to say someone isn't making it in australia also.
I had crystal on offer some time ago, and to my knowledge,probably still do, but i simply could not afford to fly over and pick it up from (N.E) europe, but someone with enough spare cash could easily do so that is why it was easier for me to get sheets. at one point, they offered to mail me crystal to which i simply said no, i'l take blotter as it is easier to receievve
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johnm214
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Endlessness said:
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johnm214 said:
LSD is not as sensitive to light/heat as people here seem to think it is. As a solid it is fairly robust, like almost every other chemical in the world.
what you say makes no sense
´as a solid´ .. what do you mean, in blotter paper? or do you mean in ´crystal´ form, which is it´s ´solid´ state ? In that case, it is VERY sensitive to light and heat.. People carrying crystals many times have it in vials with some inert gas, also protected from light..
blotters are only not sensitive for the reasons I mentioned, because the lsd is not all on the outside, the paper´s outer layers act as protections
and.. ´like almost every other chemical in the world´ -- say what?! man, do you have any clue on chemistry? there is a huge amount of chemicals that are not at all stable, how can you make such generalization ?
What doesn't make sense?
as a solid means, when LSD is solid. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid
Both your examples are solids, and both are crystaline, presumably.
Why would LSD be more sensitive when it is aggregated into large crystals rather than small? Large crystals would insulate more of the matter from oxygen, moisture, and light. I would also suspect that the majority of the LSD on blotter is quite accessible to the atmosphere. I'd imagine it would just crystalize in between/atop of fibers. As their's not very much volume there, but a large surface area, relative to the likely size of the crystals, I'd guess that most of the LSD is only slightly protected from the atmosphere.
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and.. ´like almost every other chemical in the world´ -- say what?! man, do you have any clue on chemistry? there is a huge amount of chemicals that are not at all stable, how can you make such generalization ?
Its not relevant what I know about chemistry as I'm not using myself as authority.
As to the claim, sure there is inherently more unstable than stable chemical structures, but if we confine ourselves to the commonly encountered chemicals, then yes, most are quite stable. This seems a sensible generalization as unstable chemicals are by definition uncommon..
Sure LSD is more fragile than the average drug you come across, but when solid it has limited opporunity to interact harmfully with another reagent which could neuter it.
People may fill their vials with inert gas but that doen't indicate anything other than their concern. I'd surely do the same as its a trivial procedure, but I contend its largely unnecessary if your not storing the substance in extereme conditions or for prolonged periods (and even in the latter I suspect you'd have miner difficulties).
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yes i agree. although i don't know if sheets lost potency in the mail (because i wasn't in suisse to test them before they were sent) they were still plenty potent after being in transit for 10 days
I've had blotter sit for over a year w/ no noticeable problem. Just wrapped in aluminum, which I probably wouldn't have done if I had to repeat the expirement for fear of aiding condensation.
People just make a big deal out of LSD cuz its one of the few common drugs somewhat able to be degraded in common conditions.
You don't here any crazy precautions being taken w ergotamine. Just keep the stuff in a mild environment like a house. Of course a pill is inherently more protected, but unless your putting your blotter/vials on a table in the sun or something, I'd imagine they'd behave quit similar in dark mild temperatures w/out need for space age dehumidifiers, refrigerators, or inert gasses.
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Re: mailing hits [Re: johnm214]
#8391821 - 05/12/08 07:54 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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same with mushrooms, i heard of people saying if they weren't kept in a freezer with sub zero tempratures they would rot and kill u
i hadsome sitting in a shoebox on top of my wardrobe for more than a year with no loss in potency, they still whooped my ass.
there are reports of owsley stanley saying when he first synthed acid, he did some thing to the crystal in the final stages of the synth process and he watched grams upon grams of LSD crystal turn black before his eyes.
LSD crystal may not be as sensitive as a lot of pelee make it out to be, but that is no reason to not take precautions. i fell asleep next to a fire for a couple of hours and some rally good blotter (hofmanns) went completely bunk in those two hours
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You guys are all stupid. Fuck the mail.
Just fax the shit. Make sure whoever is on the receiving end has a color printer, however, otherwise you will loose potency through the line.
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Re: mailing hits [Re: numonkei]
#8391846 - 05/12/08 08:07 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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yep yep
In refrence to my previous point, dry shrooms keep well cuz the alkaloids are solids, and thus much more unreactive, much to the consternation of the guy who replied to me previously.
I've no doubt you could screw up a synthesis. Pretty much every organic compound will eventually oxidize to a black cruddy tar/soot, some easier than others. Likely Stanely had a solution he was messing w/ and got the pH out of an acceptable range and reaped the results. Course this only happened cuz the LSD was aqueous.
For example, if you had HCL gas and passed it over LSD you'd see much less loss of LSD than if you took 1/10 of that gas and dissolved it and the LSD in water. Similar to nitroglycerin. Pass oxygen over it as a solid at say 50 degrees F and nothing will happen. Bubble a much smaller amount of oxygen through the liquid at say 60 degrees F and you may have an explosion.
That stinks about your fire situation. Did you just have the hits in a pocket or something that got hot from the fire? Oh well, live and learn I guess.
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Re: mailing hits [Re: johnm214]
#8391869 - 05/12/08 08:16 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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no biggie, i had plenty,they were just a couple of party hits. they were in my pocket in my wallet and i was mashed and fell asleep on the couch.
other than that everything else you said makes little or no sense to me.
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Endlessness
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Re: mailing hits [Re: johnm214]
#8393189 - 05/12/08 03:27 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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johnm214 said:
Sure LSD is more fragile than the average drug you come across, but when solid it has limited opporunity to interact harmfully with another reagent which could neuter it.
People may fill their vials with inert gas but that doen't indicate anything other than their concern. I'd surely do the same as its a trivial procedure, but I contend its largely unnecessary if your not storing the substance in extereme conditions or for prolonged periods (and even in the latter I suspect you'd have miner difficulties).
no..
LSD is an unstable product because of it´s specific chemical structure, also very much in it´s solid state. Adding an inert gas and specially protecting it from light is vital for people dealing with huge quantity of doses in crystals. You must remember that any small loss in terms of LSD molecules represents big loss in terms of dosages
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LSD is an unusually fragile molecule and some comments are in order as to its stability and storage. As a salt, in water, cold, and free from air and light exposure, it is stable indefinitely. There are two sensitive aspects of its structure. The position of the carboxamide attachment, the 8-position, is affected by basic, or high pH, conditions. Through a process called epimerization, this position can scramble, producing isolysergic acid diethylamide, or iso-LSD. This product is biologically inactive, and represents a loss of a proportionate amount of active product. A second and separate point of instability is the double bond that lies between this 8-position and the aromatic ring. Water or alcohol can add to this site, especially in the presence of light (sunlight with its ultraviolet energy is notoriously bad) to form a product that has been called lumi-LSD, which is totally inactive in man. Oh yes, and often overlooked, there may be only an infinitesimal amount of chlorine in treated tap water, but then there is only an infinitesimal amount of LSD in a typical LSD solution. And since chlorine will destroy LSD on contact, the dissolving of LSD in tap water is not appropriate.
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johnm214
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Endlessness said:
LSD is an unstable product because of it´s specific chemical structure, also very much in it´s solid state. Adding an inert gas and specially protecting it from light is vital for people dealing with huge quantity of doses in crystals. You must remember that any small loss in terms of LSD molecules represents big loss in terms of dosages
So what is your point? That the solid can degrade or that the molecule is as reactive regardless of the phase?
If its the former I've conceed that.
What do you mena "vital" for people deling with crystals?
What does the form o fthe matter have to do with anything?
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Re: mailing hits [Re: johnm214]
#8393683 - 05/12/08 05:56 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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johnm214 said:
So what is your point? That the solid can degrade or that the molecule is as reactive regardless of the phase?
If its the former I've conceed that.
What do you mena "vital" for people deling with crystals?
yes, my point was just that such generalization that ´solids are stable´ is misleading and that in the case of LSD, for example, it is definitely not so..
I just meant ´vital´ in the sense that it is something very important and that those in the higher levels definitely have it in mind..
Once you have thousands and thousands of doses of some hard to make, very wanted and illegal product, you dont want to be making some mistake that will make you lose a big amount (whether you´re in it for the money or for the ´love´ or both, you still dont want to be wasting)..
in the case of the blotter, im trying to come up with a propper source, but in any case my point was that one of the reasons why it is more stable than the pure ´exposed´ crystal is that the outer layers of the paper serve as some sort of protection, not all the acid is on the outside (just like you yourself seem to agree, blotters can remain active for quite long even when not so properly stored.. For SWIM it has also been like that... though some other people´s experiences seems to say otherwise)
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OHHH id just love to work in the postal office sortin the mail, and finding a letter full of acid. And id find it, becoz id be lookin muwahaha...
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Re: mailing hits [Re: Gavn]
#8393891 - 05/12/08 07:04 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Now that we've talked it to death start mailing all those hits to my door.
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