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 Chemy
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 Police Blamed For Death Of 'Informant', [FL]
#8391707 - 05/12/08 06:02 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Police Blamed For Death Of 'Informant'
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- A former Florida State student found dead after helping with a narcotics investigation should not have been placed in such a dangerous situation, lawyers representing the woman's family said Sunday.
Attorney Johnny Devine criticized Tallahassee police at a news conference, saying authorities blamed 23-year-old Rachel Hoffman for her own murder.
Hoffman's body was found Friday in rural Taylor County, two days after she went missing. Hoffman, who was facing several felony charges, had agreed to cooperate with narcotics officers and was posing as a buyer.
Police have said Hoffman didn't follow protocol when she left with Andrea J. Green and Deneilo Bradshaw, who are now suspects in her disappearance and death.
Green and Bradshaw both face kidnapping and armed robbery charges. Jail records show they have not made court appearances and bond has not been set.
Authorities should have done a better job protecting Hoffman, who was not a trained undercover officer, Devine said.
Officers established a safe zone in the area where Hoffman was supposed to purchase ecstasy, cocaine and a gun, Tallahassee police spokesman David McCranie said, and an investigator told her not to go to another location.
Devine, who represented Hoffman on previous drug charges, said neither he nor the state attorney's office knew about the arrangement.
Department policy did not call for the state attorney's office to be notified, and it was Hoffman's responsibility to inform her attorney of the situation, McCranie said.
http://www.local6.com/news/16235046/detail.html
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“Useless laws weaken the necessary laws.”
-Montesquieu, 1748
The thesis that I want to advance today is that the drug war and the laws that prohibit the private consumption of certain drugs are unconstitutional. Prohibition laws, themselves, violate every tenet of limited government that is embodied in our Constitution.
http://www.paulhager.org/libertarian/drug_con.html
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Re: Police Blamed For Death Of 'Informant', [FL] [Re: Chemy]
#8391890 - 05/12/08 08:25 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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FUCKING COPS
y didnt they protect her wut a bunch of useless swine
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tyler_0_durden
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Re: Police Blamed For Death Of 'Informant', [FL] [Re: Coaster]
#8391934 - 05/12/08 08:55 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Yeah...
we pay our taxes so the police can suck at their jobs, and break the own laws they enforce.
Seriously...
how many times have I heard a cop get off the hook after they kill someone? ALL THE TIME.
They even get paid while they're on leave.
Our country is so fucked up...I'm moving to canada as soon as I can.
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Chemy
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Re: Police Blamed For Death Of 'Informant', [FL] [Re: tyler_0_durden]
#8391939 - 05/12/08 09:00 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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I don't know if this narco squad was a bunch of n00bs, but a girl buying "a gun, coke and ecstacy" is a guaranteed CI set-up.
Sounds to me like the dealers were vets and the narco squad were n00bs.
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“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them". -Ayn Rand
“Useless laws weaken the necessary laws.”
-Montesquieu, 1748
The thesis that I want to advance today is that the drug war and the laws that prohibit the private consumption of certain drugs are unconstitutional. Prohibition laws, themselves, violate every tenet of limited government that is embodied in our Constitution.
http://www.paulhager.org/libertarian/drug_con.html
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Re: Police Blamed For Death Of 'Informant', [FL] [Re: Chemy]
#8391963 - 05/12/08 09:12 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Chemy said:
I don't know if this narco squad was a bunch of n00bs, but a girl buying "a gun, coke and ecstacy" is a guaranteed CI set-up.
Sounds to me like the dealers were vets and the narco squad were n00bs.
That's what I was thinking.
Maybe they should have asked for moonshine, untaxxed tobacco, and child porn while they were at it.
Fuck this shit.
These are the tragedies of the drug war. Fucking cops getting people to do their work for them, getting them killed, then say "oh, she voluntered, it was her fault." Your the fucking assholes who threatened this woman w/ more time than she'd ever possibly see only to turn around and send her on a death mission.
This bullshit will continue as long as we all sit back and say "cops have a tought job" and vote for cocksucker politicians who are "tough on crime" and families.
Anyone have a tallahassee PD email address or webform or something? I feel like explaining the facts of life to these bastards.
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Re: Police Blamed For Death Of 'Informant', [FL] [Re: johnm214]
#8392056 - 05/12/08 09:56 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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As bad as I feel for this girl getting murdered, and the cops not protecting her, I also feel like its kinda her fault too for being an informant.
I have always gone by the rule, never tell a cop anything about anything.
I have been arrested and told that if i cooperate things would be better for me and I told them to go fuck themselves, or Yeah I got it from the black dude in the projects. go find him.
Never cooperate with the cops.
Its just not worth it.
They are notorious liars and are not to be trusted at all.
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Re: Police Blamed For Death Of 'Informant', [FL] [Re: creekfreek]
#8392078 - 05/12/08 10:05 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Another example of cops lying outright to get their way. "Authorities blamed 23-year-old Rachel Hoffman for her own murder." Well fuck, they probably lied to her and told her she was going to jail forever unless she cooperated. Scare tactics and bullshit bullying go a long way when you have a badge and gun.
"Fuck tha police
Comin straight from the underground
Young nigga got it bad cuz I'm brown
And not the other color so police think
They have the authority to kill a minority
Fuck that shit, cuz I ain't tha one
For a punk muthafucka with a badge and a gun
To be beatin on, and throwin in jail
We could go toe to toe in the middle of a cell
Fuckin with me cuz I'm a teenager
With a little bit of gold and a pager
Searchin my car, lookin for the product
Thinkin every nigga is sellin narcotics"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiX7GTelTPM
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Re: Police Blamed For Death Of 'Informant', [FL] [Re: Chemy]
#8393688 - 05/12/08 06:01 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Quote:
Chemy said:
Rachel Hoffman
Edited by veggie (05/14/08 07:17 PM)
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Re: Police Blamed For Death Of 'Informant', [FL] [Re: fapjack]
#8400058 - 05/14/08 08:42 AM (3 months, 21 days ago) |
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Young woman's death raises informant use questions
By DAVID ROYSE
Associated Press Writer
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. --
The mayor of Tallahassee and the Florida head of the American Civil Liberties Union called for independent investigations Monday after accusations that a 23-year-old woman should not have been used as a police informant on a dangerous drug bust.
Rachel Hoffman's body was found Friday in rural Taylor County, two days after she went missing. Hoffman, who was facing several felony charges, was working with narcotics officers and posing as a buyer.
Police said Hoffman didn't follow protocol when she left with the two men who are now suspects in her disappearance and death. Hoffman's family and attorney says the recent Florida State University graduate should never have been placed in such a dangerous position to begin with.
Dennis Fitzgerald, a retired Drug Enforcement Agency officer, said police badly botched the case and should have sent an undercover officer to accompany Hoffman.
"If they could do it wrong, they did it in this case," said Fitzgerald, author of "Informants and Undercover Investigations: A Practical Guide to Law, Policy, and Procedure."
He also said police should have been able to keep track of Hoffman even if the planned meeting moved.
Tallahassee Police Chief Dennis Jones said he's confident officers followed department procedures, and that normally those protocols protect informants.
It was Hoffman who didn't do what she was supposed to, police say.
Police said they found Ecstasy pills and "high-grade" marijuana when they raided her apartment last week. Police haven't said what she was promised in return, but that Hoffman agreed to become an informant and help them reel in a bigger fish.
"All indications were she would be a very good choice as a confidential informant, she would follow directions and there would be no issues," Tallahassee Police spokesman David McCranie said Monday.
But police say at the last minute, she changed the location of the meeting with the two men, Andrea J. Green and Deneilo Bradshaw, in a Tallahassee-area park to buy drugs and a gun from them as part of a sting. McCranie said Hoffman led police to the two men, not the other way around.
The police officer handling the case pleaded with her to call off the meeting, McCranie said.
"For whatever reason she did not call it off," McCranie said. "And that ultimately led to her murder."
Green and Bradshaw are in custody, and charged with kidnapping Hoffman. McCranie said Monday that murder charges were pending. It wasn't clear Monday whether either had hired an attorney.
Meanwhile, Hoffman's family is preparing for a funeral Tuesday in the Tampa Bay suburb of Palm Harbor.
They're furious that police allowed their daughter to get into such a dangerous situation.
Hoffman's stepfather, Mike Weiss, told The Tampa Tribune Monday that police should stop falling back on what Hoffman did because she shouldn't have been put in the position in the first place.
"They took a 23-year-old relatively naive person and put her in a life-threatening situation," Weiss told the newspaper.
Michael Grimes, a federal drug enforcement agent for nearly 30 years and author of "A guide for Developing and Controlling Informants," said undercover drug operations are never completely safe.
But generally, he said, if something goes wrong, it's because an informant messes up, or police don't clearly explain beforehand exactly what they're supposed to do.
ACLU of Florida executive director Howard Simon said her death "raises all sorts of serious questions about the use of undercover informants," Simon said. "This just screams for an investigation."
http://www.bradenton.com/331/story/600870.html
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“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them". -Ayn Rand
“Useless laws weaken the necessary laws.”
-Montesquieu, 1748
The thesis that I want to advance today is that the drug war and the laws that prohibit the private consumption of certain drugs are unconstitutional. Prohibition laws, themselves, violate every tenet of limited government that is embodied in our Constitution.
http://www.paulhager.org/libertarian/drug_con.html
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Re: Police Blamed For Death Of 'Informant', [FL] [Re: Chemy]
#8400279 - 05/14/08 10:47 AM (3 months, 21 days ago) |
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Chemy said:
But police say at the last minute, she changed the location of the meeting with the two men, Andrea J. Green and Deneilo Bradshaw, in a Tallahassee-area park to buy drugs and a gun from them as part of a sting.
Does anyone else see something wrong with this?
They arranged this deal to go down in a city park. Now I dont know about this park in particular, but, most parks that I have seen or have been to are popular with families and children.
Why on earth would police want to subject kidas and families to this kind of activity?
This does not sound at all safe to me.
If my kid was in a park that a sting operation was going down in, I would be furious.
Just another example of the brain of a cop in action.
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Re: Police Blamed For Death Of 'Informant', [FL] [Re: creekfreek]
#8491495 - 06/06/08 02:35 AM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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wont sum1 plz thnk of teh children
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Re: Police Blamed For Death Of 'Informant', [FL] [Re: Coaster]
#8491500 - 06/06/08 02:38 AM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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wont sum1 plz thnk of teh children
not when it doesn't work in their favor.
I am generally disgusted in the way people act. They pretend to give a fuck but for all the wrong reasons and don't live up to their word, and when they got caught, they say it "was her own fault."
How do they sleep?
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You're a stupid hippie. That's my point.
Edited by learningtofly (06/06/08 02:39 AM)
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Re: Police Blamed For Death Of 'Informant', [FL] [Re: learningtofly]
#8491754 - 06/06/08 06:23 AM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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learningtofly said:
How do they sleep?
Ambien?
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Re: Police Blamed For Death Of 'Informant', [FL] [Re: MrKite1]
#8492067 - 06/06/08 09:28 AM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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SORRY GUYS BUT SHES A SNITCH THEIRS A RISK OF GETTING KILLED THATS JUST REALITY SHE FUCKED WITH THE WRONG PEOPLE SHE PAYED THE PRICE PEROID.
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Re: Police Blamed For Death Of 'Informant', [FL] [Re: Deebard420]
#8492565 - 06/06/08 12:28 PM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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What does that have to do with anything?
Seriously, what is the relevance?
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Re: Police Blamed For Death Of 'Informant', [FL] [Re: Deebard420]
#8492649 - 06/06/08 12:57 PM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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That's a pretty ignorant comment. It's that sort of black and white thinking that lets people simply shrug at folks getting thrown in prison for years over a pot plant because they were "just a druggie and had it coming."
Things are a little more complicated than that in the real world and that girl didn't do anything that was worth losing her life over.
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Re: Police Blamed For Death Of 'Informant', [FL] [Re: MrKite1]
#8493023 - 06/06/08 02:54 PM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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yep, I'm guessing the guy knows nothing about the case and has no idea what relevance his comment has (which I'm guessing is zero).
The guys gained nothing from killing her. They could have avoided trouble by simply refusing to meet with her or just saying "we don't deal drugs" when they met her. Instead they killed her and are in jail. Somehow she deserved to die for trying to incriminate violent assholes?
Never mind the fact that the entire story is only relevant as applied to the police and government's actions, not hte girls...
You think the attorney general is investigating the girl? No, he's investigating the police, and that's what this story is about.
Props to MrKite for hitting the nail on the head. "she deserved to die" is both 1) likely coming from ignorance, 2) the same absolutist thinking that motivates the public to think that all drug dealers are bad people and should be killed and that all drug users are violent trash that should be incarcerated.
What a load of garbage.
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Re: Police Blamed For Death Of 'Informant', [FL] [Re: johnm214]
#8494766 - 06/06/08 11:57 PM (2 months, 28 days ago) |
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Re: Police Blamed For Death Of 'Informant', [FL] [Re: Ojom]
#8496619 - 06/07/08 03:52 PM (2 months, 28 days ago) |
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hey john ur a jackass whats my relevance its that she was an informant and got killed what do you expect shithead their hightime coke and E dealers so stop riding this girls dick
Edited by Deebard420 (06/07/08 03:53 PM)
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Re: Police Blamed For Death Of 'Informant', [FL] [Re: Deebard420]
#8501860 - 06/08/08 10:31 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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And whether the girl deserved to die or not or whether the dealers deserved to die or not is related to the thrust of the article how?
From the exposition:
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A former Florida State student found dead after helping with a narcotics investigation should not have been placed in such a dangerous situation, lawyers representing the woman's family said Sunday.
What do your statements have to do with this article or about the larger questions of how police deal citizens involved in drugs?
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