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 Growth Hormone: Gibberellic Acid
#8389425 - 05/11/08 03:05 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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I found this while looking at poppy pictures. It is a growth hormone. It seems like it has a wide range of applications. I am about to get into Peyote cultivation and that certainly came to mind. Here are some related links. I hope that you enjoy them!
Wikipedia entry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibberellic_acid
Raw materials, some more info, and lists of natural sources
http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/GibberellicAcid.htm
Pre-made fertilizers containing said compound. The fertilizers are specifically formulated for different plants. Poppies and cacti are among those listed
http://www.seedman.com/additive.htm#2
Seeing as this isn't inherently illegal, I hope that the links provided are kosher.
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Re: Growth Hormone: Gibberellic Acid [Re: mr_minds_eye]
#8389484 - 05/11/08 03:24 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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so what exactly is it used for, as a fertilizer that will speed growth?
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Re: Growth Hormone: Gibberellic Acid [Re: grymmtymm]
#8389718 - 05/11/08 04:43 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Correct. Although the plant will apparently develop a tolerance to it eventually. It is produced by the plant itself in some circumstances to regulate growth. Too much actually slows down growth. It also apparently has application in germinating seeds which are hard to sprout. I have not personally used this stuff. I just came across it today and thought that some of you good folks might be interested in it.
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Re: Growth Hormone: Gibberellic Acid [Re: mr_minds_eye]
#8389761 - 05/11/08 04:54 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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but what exactly would the benefits be over using any of the normal cacti fertilizers? this i would like to know cause i grow pedros and torches, unfortunately, can't do the peyote cause i live in the states....
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Re: Growth Hormone: Gibberellic Acid [Re: grymmtymm]
#8389947 - 05/11/08 05:43 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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It isn't just nutrients apparently. It is an actual growth hormone. Kind of like some one working out and eating protein vs eating protein and taking creatine, steroids, and/or human growth hormone. For an example apparently growers of seedless grapes and nectarines use this stuff to get bigger fruits. The point is that it isn't just food, its a chemical which makes the cells divide faster than they normally would thus speeding up growth beyond the plant's natural parameters. You know it might be more fruitful to read the links yourself. Like I said, I'm no expert and haven't ever actually used the stuff. I'm just regurgitating what I read on the posted links.
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Re: Growth Hormone: Gibberellic Acid [Re: mr_minds_eye]
#8390797 - 05/11/08 09:37 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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It's also used by MJ breeders to produce feminized seeds (Seeds that always sprout female). You can take a female MJ plant and spray one of the branches every day for about 10 days and if you cover the branch to give it 12 hours light 12 hours dark it will turn male.
Breeders then use the pollen from that male branch and pollinate a female MJ plant getting Feminized seeds once it flowers and gives fruit. The only problem is if you don't do it right you may get Hermaphrodite seeds which are useless.
I don't know much else about Gib. acid. I was just thinking of acquiring some for the above mentioned purpose. It would be an interesting experiment for an amature grower.
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Re: Growth Hormone: Gibberellic Acid [Re: sturmer88]
#8392319 - 05/12/08 11:24 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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According to one of those links, it is used in the cultivation of pretty much every seedless fruit crop that you can buy at the supermarket and a few others. That's fucking cool what they do with herb. I was thinking that if you could speed up Lophophora growth to that or near that of a grafted button, that it would be better than grafting because you would be getting a more developed root system along with the increased size. Also it is supposed to help germinate hard to sprout seeds. P. viridis comes to mind. Not to mention that they grow slow as fuck in the beginning which would be nice to speed along. It surprises me that if mj growers have it around, that they don't use it to boost growth also.
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Re: Growth Hormone: Gibberellic Acid [Re: mr_minds_eye]
#8393633 - 05/12/08 05:43 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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MJ grows really fast anyways so I don't see why it would be needed as a growth hormone, and the seeds are super easy to germ also. I would think that unless you wanted your female MJ plant turning male and useless except for pollen collecting purposes it would be a bad idea to use on MJ unless for feminized pollen. Once you treat the branch with gib acid you have to be very careful not to pollinate the rest of the plant with its own pollen it would be like family members impregnating each other. The seeds would be bad.
Your right about P. viridis seeds thoe. I've failed with every one i've tried to germ.
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Re: Growth Hormone: Gibberellic Acid [Re: sturmer88]
#8396797 - 05/13/08 01:41 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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You would be better off purchasing a plant and then propagating it from leaf cuttings. They take months to show any growth but I got a min of 2 plants for every leaf that I did.
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Re: Growth Hormone: Gibberellic Acid [Re: mr_minds_eye]
#8397874 - 05/13/08 06:22 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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Quote:
mr_minds_eye said:
You would be better off purchasing a plant and then propagating it from leaf cuttings. They take months to show any growth but I got a min of 2 plants for every leaf that I did.
I bought one back in January. It's just started to grow. I had some seeds I wanted to try and germ but got know where. The plant seems to be doing ok even after my dog uprooted it and cold weather nearly killed it a few times. It comes back to health pretty quickly each time.
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Re: Growth Hormone: Gibberellic Acid [Re: sturmer88]
#8402378 - 05/14/08 08:11 PM (3 months, 21 days ago) |
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I can't find the exact link that I wanted to show you. That was where I learned how to do this and had cool pictures. Its not hard though. Take a whole, intact leaf and break the stem so that if the leaf were upside down, the gap created by the crack would be facing up. Do it so that it is cracked and not broke all the way through though. Do this 5-10 down the length of the leaf. Leave about an inch or so intact toward the end. Mix your light well draining soil. Plant the leaf rightside up so that the leaf is laying flat across the soil. Cover it with about a half inch of soil with the vary end unbroken part aticking out. Keep it in a humidified, not fungas worthy, but moist environment and fan once a day. After a few months, you will have a bunch more plants. If the end of the leaf dies off a little, don't worry. All of my leaves made it and I got at LEAST 2-3 plants per leaf.
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Re: Growth Hormone: Gibberellic Acid [Re: mr_minds_eye]
#8402593 - 05/14/08 09:02 PM (3 months, 21 days ago) |
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Thanks, I'd like to see a link with pictorial. I've been wondering how you could make cuttings from a leaf. Even after you explained it It's still really confusing. My cutting came with 2 stems growing. It came as 1 plant. I'm not sure if the 2 stems are 1 plant or if the person I got it from added 2 plants both side by side in the same pot. I'll post a pic. Maybe you could tell me.
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