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 Re: An argument for the possibility of extraterrestrial visitation on earth [Re: DimensionX]
#8380918 - 05/09/08 06:37 AM (5 months, 2 days ago) |
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Why would aliens target one specific country?
Wrong. Sightings don't have any country or cultural boundaries, they are happening all over the world even in places where the people have no media influence. In most cases they even describe the same ships and alien beings. How can this be? How can someone in south Africa thats never seen a TV come up with almost the exact same hallucination as somebody in Russia, USA, France etc
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Re: An argument for the possibility of extraterrestrial visitation on earth [Re: ZackWyldeFan]
#8380924 - 05/09/08 06:43 AM (5 months, 2 days ago) |
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NASA said it was an ice particle, even though their own scientist Jack Casher said it exhibits all the features you'd expect from a space craft (acceleration, 90 degree direction change etc).
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Re: An argument for the possibility of extraterrestrial visitation on earth [Re: Ego Death]
#8381073 - 05/09/08 09:04 AM (5 months, 2 days ago) |
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we cant believe NASA though, there's 90% of people who will flip out when told the truth, then there are 5% who know and keep the truth(government,etc.) then there are 5% who are like you and me who can handle the truth and want to know it. the government and its branches think that 95% cant handle the truth, so it will always be a lie, cover up or dilution.
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Re: An argument for the possibility of extraterrestrial visitation on earth [Re: deimya]
#8382111 - 05/09/08 02:44 PM (5 months, 2 days ago) |
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deimya said:
If we were created, then who created them ?
Unless you are of the supernatural, intelligent design crowd, then would you agree that the conditional probability that life appeared somewhere, evolved to the point of interstellar travel, and put an engineered seed of life here on Earth is much smaller than the simpler probability that life directly appeared and evolved here on Earth ?
In other word, if life can appear without design, why the need for extraterrestrial visitation to explain its occurrence here on Earth ? Probabilistically it doesn't make much sense. Not impossible but much more improbable.
There is no need.
Let's pretend for a moment that ET visitation is fact. And that there are numerous humanoid ETs. And it is also fact that other worlds exist in other star systems, where these humanoid aliens dwell.
Now, how would science begin to adress the humanoid aliens in terms of their physical make up being so damn similar to ours?
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Re: An argument for the possibility of extraterrestrial visitation on earth [Re: Ginseng1]
#8382517 - 05/09/08 05:29 PM (5 months, 2 days ago) |
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Lets first get a better clue at how any life emerges and only then will it make any sense to pretend and play with thought experiments. For now I sense it would only serve the purpose of needlessly reinforcing your beliefs. Oh, I would also change side if "they" actually made a formal contact. Until then, Occam's razor and basic laws and inequalities for conditional probabilities still hold very strong.
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Re: An argument for the possibility of extraterrestrial visitation on earth [Re: Ego Death]
#8382945 - 05/09/08 07:26 PM (5 months, 2 days ago) |
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They do occur in other country's, but in nowhere near the frequency they do in the U.S.
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Re: An argument for the possibility of extraterrestrial visitation on earth [Re: DimensionX]
#8384397 - 05/10/08 04:19 AM (5 months, 1 day ago) |
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The USA is a big country.
I doubt you'd know anything about Russian sightings because these countries do not trade information.
I didn't realise how much was going on in France until the French government made their UFO files public last year.
Mexico is currently having the biggest wave of sightings.
I wouldn't say it happens more in the USA at all. Thats a hard thing to determine anyway because it would be dependant on land mass, amount of people etc. You could say more people in US believe that UFOs=Aliens due to popular culture but thats about it.
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Re: An argument for the possibility of extraterrestrial visitation on earth [Re: Ego Death]
#8384422 - 05/10/08 04:46 AM (5 months, 1 day ago) |
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> You could say more people in US believe that UFOs=Aliens due to popular culture but thats about it.
The US, being ahead in secret military technology, could also explain some of the apparently excess sightings within the US.
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Re: An argument for the possibility of extraterrestrial visitation on earth [Re: Seuss]
#8388228 - 05/11/08 06:39 AM (5 months, 18 hours ago) |
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Some yes.
What can a scientist conclude from this...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=th9QGF5gQvk
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Re: An argument for the possibility of extraterrestrial visitation on earth [Re: Ego Death]
#8388278 - 05/11/08 07:28 AM (5 months, 17 hours ago) |
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> What can a scientist conclude from this...
Not a lot, to be honest. Science demands repeatability. (Part of why it is so difficult to prove or disprove alien UFOs based upon random sightings.)
However, a few thoughts...
When the military talks about UFOs, they do not mean to imply alien. When the military talks about UFOs, they are talking about an object that is flying and is not identified. The object could be anything, or even nothing (glitch in the system).
I know that the US military has done things (such as launching unmanned drones) over cold war enemy territory forcing the enemy to activate their defense contingency plans, allowing the US to study how the enemy responds. It is likely that the same has been done to US military assets as well. (I'm not claiming that this is the case here, but something to keep in mind.)
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