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 simple psilocin question about its deterioration when dehydrated?
#8381127 - 05/09/08 09:26 AM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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I have read that once fully dehydrated that the psilocin has been nearly all deteriorated, can psilocin be preserved if cold brewed immediately after fruiting?
Edited by VilliN (05/10/08 09:09 AM)
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Re: simple psilocin question about its deterioration when dehydrated? [Re: VilliN]
#8381178 - 05/09/08 09:51 AM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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drying mushrooms is k3y, they will be just as potent
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Re: simple psilocin question about its deterioration when dehydrated? [Re: Atheist]
#8382144 - 05/09/08 03:01 PM (3 months, 27 days ago) |
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Psilocin has been recovered from and found in dried specimens. A good chunk is probably lost if you don't dry it correctly, but I don't think it's worth worrying about.
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Re: simple psilocin question about its deterioration when dehydrated? [Re: fastfred]
#8384683 - 05/10/08 09:08 AM (3 months, 26 days ago) |
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The question was: can psilocin be preserved if cold brewed (tea) immediately after fruiting? Anyone with any knowledge about its oxidation with a cold brew tea technique???
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Re: simple psilocin question about its deterioration when dehydrated? [Re: VilliN]
#8397791 - 05/13/08 05:57 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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This is an interesting idea that I'm pretty sure I've never heard of anyone trying. I don't know that the psilocin would make its way out of the fruitbodies and into the water, but there is only one way to find out.
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Re: simple psilocin question about its deterioration when dehydrated? [Re: FooMan]
#8403179 - 05/14/08 10:48 PM (3 months, 21 days ago) |
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dont you lose like 10% or so when u make a tea in the first place? not positive but i think i heard that
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 Re: simple psilocin question about its deterioration when dehydrated? [Re: Felinor]
#8408551 - 05/16/08 08:13 AM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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How about extracting it with liquid ammonia at -33oC? That should help avoid thermal and oxidative decomposition. And supercritical CO2 has been used to decaffeinate beverage products so why not give it a try for some other alkaloids?
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Re: simple psilocin question about its deterioration when dehydrated? [Re: Mr E Guest]
#8408777 - 05/16/08 09:49 AM (3 months, 20 days ago) |
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um...
i dont know about preserving a "tea"
I know of people who soxhlet extracted psilocin from mushrooms then kept the alcohol and made a absinthe kind of thing.
that kept rather well.
if you do that make sure you soxhlet with 70% ETHANOL.
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Re: simple psilocin question about its deterioration when dehydrated? [Re: Mr E Guest]
#8420578 - 05/19/08 03:48 PM (3 months, 17 days ago) |
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How about extracting it with liquid ammonia at -33oC? That should help avoid thermal and oxidative decomposition. And supercritical CO2 has been used to decaffeinate beverage products so why not give it a try for some other alkaloids?
Are you serious? 
Seems kind of foolish to even bother pointing this out but #1 is a highly controlled and regulated meth precursor that is quite dangerous and hard to work with and #2 requires about $50,000+ in equipment.
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Re: simple psilocin question about its deterioration when dehydrated? [Re: Mr E Guest]
#8427273 - 05/21/08 03:12 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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How about extracting it with liquid ammonia at -33oC?
windex is not that cold, go rob a farm and get some dry ammonia.
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 Re: simple psilocin question about its deterioration when dehydrated? [Re: rev 766]
#8431998 - 05/22/08 07:23 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Ah, theft! - the best solution for obtaining expensive and/or controlled materials! Yes, I was suggesting dry ammonia by saying liquid ammonia. Presumably Windex is some kind of proprietary brand of ammonia solution. Not the same as liquid ammonia.
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fastfred said:
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Mr E Guest said:
How about extracting it with liquid ammonia at -33oC? That should help avoid thermal and oxidative decomposition. And supercritical CO2 has been used to decaffeinate beverage products so why not give it a try for some other alkaloids?
Are you serious?
Seems kind of foolish to even bother pointing this out but #1 is a highly controlled and regulated meth precursor that is quite dangerous and hard to work with and #2 requires about $50,000+ in equipment.
-FF
I appreciate that partial irony can be hard to cope with. You're right on all 3 counts BUT it can't be bad to throw in some ideas about using unusual solvents here. I apologize for having an imagination and only limited scope for actually carrying out 99.9% of my ideas  The line of thought was: 1) Low temperatures; 2) Polar solvents other than water.
While these ideas might not be immediately practicable, I think it's useful to get them out because SOMEBODY might eventually give it a try. Psiloc(yb)in research does still occur in properly equipped laboratories and there may yet be sound reason for using an extraction method besides aqueous butanol/ethanoic acid.
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Re: simple psilocin question about its deterioration when dehydrated? [Re: Mr E Guest]
#8432017 - 05/22/08 07:28 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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And how about Soxhletting with water under reduced pressure (= lower boiling temperature)?
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Re: simple psilocin question about its deterioration when dehydrated? [Re: Mr E Guest]
#8432241 - 05/22/08 09:32 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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176f is the boiling point at sea level for 70% ethanol
how reduced? 70% Ethanol is what you wanna use.
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