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 worried08
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 Possible Mushroom Poisoning 
#8383827 - 05/09/08 10:40 PM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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Before I go into my account, I want to admit that I feel like a complete moron. I ate some pasture-picked mushrooms, knowing little more than what my friends told me, and I have never felt so foolish. But, now, I am scared that I may have some serious consequences from this. The doctors I have spoken with seem mal-informed, so Im hoping that the community here may be able to help me out.
Saturday afternoon, 6 days ago, some friends picked some "magic mushrooms" and ate them. I live in the US, in Austin, Texas, and we picked them directly off of cow dung in a pasture.
The caps were brown, stems were white with some bluing. The caps were large, so we boiled two of them (one about 4cm, the other about 5cm) along with the stems to make tea, and the three of us drank it.
about 15 minutes later, we all started to feel the effects. Within 2 hours, though, I was feeling sick. I threw up once but quite a bit, and had bloody diarrhea for the remainder of the night. We all had the kaleidescope effect, walls and carpet were breathing, etc. So, my concern is that one of the mushrooms was a psilocybe and the other either a cortinarius or less likely, amanita.
My friends didnt throw up, but mentioned nausea, and we all had extreme gas. For that reason they attributed their gas and all my bad symptoms to some spicy food we had eaten earlier.
The next day I continued to be nauseous, had more diarrhea, still bloody. I read a few things, was blindsided by the mysteries of mycology, and I got worried so I checked into the Emergency room. By the time I saw a doctor it had been 13 hours. They took a blood sample and set me up with an an IV of saline. Said the blood test showed my liver to be fine but that I should come back the next day to test again. That doc was concerned about amanita poisoning, didnt seem to think there was any other.
Still felt nauseous and having diarrhea, I go in and give another blood sample, which they again say is fine. Saw another doc who hadnt heard of mushroom poising!? Said I would be fine, they sent me home with a sheet on gastric enteritis, stomach virus.
6 days later though, Im constantly thirsty as hell, have been drinking a lot more water and pissing a lot but still have a dry mouth...still have some diarrhea and today I had some kidney pain (in back, just below my ribs on the right). had a little wave of nausea a few minutes ago.
I didnt feel like going for the luck of the Doctor draw at the ER again. So, I scheduled an appointment for an urgent care clinic tomorrow morning.
I have a few questions:
Its been six days, so i should be out of the woods for Amanita poisoning, right?
Do cortinarius or any other poisonous ones grow on dung? I read they grow under trees. There were trees nearby, but about 40 yards away.
Is orellanine, the toxin in Cortinarius, soluble in water, as to be boiled in to the tea we drank? I know its a poorly understood toxin, but maybe someone has studied it...
I have read that orellanine poisoning can take up to 3 weeks to present and then you have acute kidney failure. Does anyone on here know how long it takes to send the blood/urine test levels out of wack? i.e. if I go get tested tomorrow and everything is normal should I still be cautious?
I just want to be able to put my mind at ease about this because its got me worried and i brought it on myself, to boot.
Thanks for any help you can provide.
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 weiliiiiiii
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Re: Possible Mushroom Poisoning [Re: worried08]
#8383853 - 05/09/08 10:47 PM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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I cant help ya with that bro but i really hope your OK man seriously i hope you feel better man. Peace
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Possible Mushroom Poisoning [Re: weiliiiiiii]
#8383921 - 05/09/08 11:10 PM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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Since they turned blue and caused psilocybin symptoms, at least some of the mushrooms were the right ones.
Did they all turn blue, or is it possible that there were some mushrooms that were something else and didn't blue at all?
I don't know of any seriously toxic mushrooms that grow on dung.
Did you get a decent look at the mushrooms you ate? Anything toxic would have looked quite a bit different.
Is it possible that they were kind of old and you got food poisoning too? Did they smell kind of nasty? Did the tea taste really strange like bacteria, or just like mushrooms?
If it was food poisoning you should not be noticing anything six days later.
My guess is that your sickness is unrelated to the mushroom. But if it is related and its still there after six days, it would not hurt to have the liver and kidneys checked again.
Cortinarius species are mycorrhizal and can not grow on dung, they only grow near trees. 40 yards sounds kind of far. They would look VERY different than the blue staining ones, with orange gills and a completely different look. Very few species of Cortinarius contain the deadly orellanine, it is just one clade, section Orellani.
The most common poisonous mushroom out there is Chlorophyllum molybdites. That shouldn't cause any effects after the first couple days.
Check your PM's, I'll try to put you in touch with Phil Carpenter, a chemist and expert on mushroom poisoning. He would be able to teach your doctor a thing or two...
Also, go to a health food store and get some milk thistle extract. The sillymarin is very good at saving livers and kidneys. It is somewhat active orally, though an injectable form is much more effective. Most doctors don't know about it, but if it ends up being required I can get some fedex'd out there.
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Alan Rockefeller
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Are there any pics of the mushrooms or saved dried specimens?
My uneducated guess is that you are fine and its psychological symptoms + flu.
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FuManchu
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well at this point you gotta try and remember what you ate, the cortinarius is what you have to be worried about. The symptoms of bad mushroom poisoning will last as long as you said..
This is a basic cortinarius
This is a basic amanita muscaria
This is a basic cube
which ones would you say you ate (if any), if you can remember?
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Re: Possible Mushroom Poisoning [Re: worried08]
#8384020 - 05/09/08 11:47 PM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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sounds like hepatitis C, looks like you ate some bad shit.
all employees must watch hands before returning to work!!!
you musta ate quite a bit of it
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worried08
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Alan Rockefeller said:
Since they turned blue and caused psilocybin symptoms, at least some of the mushrooms were the right ones.
Did they all turn blue, or is it possible that there were some mushrooms that were something else and didn't blue at all?
one of them turned blue when we broke the stem. the other had some purplish blue tint to it on the top half of the stem, supposedly from when my friend grabbed it.
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I don't know of any seriously toxic mushrooms that grow on dung.
what about right next to it? I dont know if it was actually growing straight out of it (although i think it was).
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Did you get a decent look at the mushrooms you ate? Anything toxic would have looked quite a bit different.
I got a good look, but being so long ago I cant be certain they were the same
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Is it possible that they were kind of old and you got food poisoning too? Did they smell kind of nasty? Did the tea taste really strange like bacteria, or just like mushrooms?
We didnt taste them really in the tea because we brewed it with some herbal tea to mask the flavor. They smelled kinda bad while they boiled.
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If it was food poisoning you should not be noticing anything six days later.
ya thats what i was thinking
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My guess is that your sickness is unrelated to the mushroom. But if it is related and its still there after six days, it would not hurt to have the liver and kidneys checked again.
Cortinarius species are mycorrhizal and can not grow on dung, they only grow near trees. 40 yards sounds kind of far. They would look VERY different than the blue staining ones, with orange gills and a completely different look. Very few species of Cortinarius contain the deadly orellanine, it is just one clade, section Orellani.
The most common poisonous mushroom out there is Chlorophyllum molybdites. That shouldn't cause any effects after the first couple days.
Check your PM's, I'll try to put you in touch with Phil Carpenter, a chemist and expert on mushroom poisoning. He would be able to teach your doctor a thing or two...
Thanks, that would be a great help.
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Also, go to a health food store and get some milk thistle extract. The sillymarin is very good at saving livers and kidneys. It is somewhat active orally, though an injectable form is much more effective. Most doctors don't know about it, but if it ends up being required I can get some fedex'd out there.
I will pick some up tomorrow after i see the doc. Hopefully it isnt poisoning, i will keep that injection in mind though, thanks
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worried08
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Re: Possible Mushroom Poisoning [Re: worried08]
#8384078 - 05/10/08 12:09 AM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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Diz-
it looks most like the cube, only with a more golden brown cap. The gills were chocolate brown if I remember right. I saved one and yesterday i told my friend to do a spore print, he did and like i figured it didnt leave any, i imagine because it has been drying out for almost a week. Wouldn't it be more difficult to identify in general since its all dried out?
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Possible Mushroom Poisoning [Re: worried08]
#8384083 - 05/10/08 12:11 AM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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Agaricus tend to bruise purple. They can make you throw up but are nothing to worry about long term. They often grow in the fields with cow pies but not directly from them.
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Re: Possible Mushroom Poisoning [Re: worried08]
#8384098 - 05/10/08 12:16 AM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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The biggest problem with trying to guess what the problem might be is that there have been numerous cases where the victim ate multiple toxins. The combined effects can then be very confusing.
The best advice is, if you're still feeling ill, to see a physician. They've received *lots* of training to determine what the cause of your illness is and how to treat it to produce a favorable outcome (if possible). There are huge numbers of things that could be wrong, from food poisoning (mushroom poisoning would count here) to some sort of bacterial or viral illness. And, I'm sure, things few of us would ever even consider.
On the positive side, if you're not already in a coma then you're very probably not going to die of a mushroom poisoning. Almost all lethal toxins in lethal quantities would probably have you so sick already that you'd be in intensive care.
This isn't a diagnosis, it's more like pointing out that people who've eaten enough of a toxin to kill them generally get *very* sick fairly quickly, then get sicker and sicker until they die. If the doctors' initial test didn't get anybody too worked up, then you're probably OK on that score.
If you're still sick, then see them some more and see if they can come up with a better explanation of your illness.
Happy mushrooming!
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undergrounder
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If you put them all into a tea i can't see how only one of you would get horribly sick while the others are fine? if it was one nasty shroom that got into the tea you'd think everyone would be sick?
But yeah even so, maybe a bad Agaricus? Agaricus xanthodermus is the common poisonous one down here, not sure if you get it in America. It stains yellow and has a white cap, but if its old, the white cap could turn really golden in colour, has chocolate brown gills and a ring. Often grows in pastures too. Oh and apparently it smells obviously bad, like phenol when you cook it.
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worried08
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Re: Possible Mushroom Poisoning [Re: ToxicMan]
#8384146 - 05/10/08 12:33 AM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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I'll be seeing a physician tomorrow, I'll post the results of that visit.
Thanks for the reassuring words. I like my life, my girlfriend, my dog, job...something isnt right with my system but it would be a huge shame to find out I threw it all away for one 4 hour high (or anything of that nature, obviously).
doubtful I'll be doing any more shrooming, it was a brief flashback into the good ol' days of when I was in college, and I'm gonna take it as a sign that psychedelics are something I personally should remember rather than relive, *nervous chuckle*.
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FuManchu
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Re: Possible Mushroom Poisoning [Re: worried08]
#8384163 - 05/10/08 12:38 AM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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Youll most likely be sweet, they probably were cubes.
dont let it scar you just ID them next time first
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Re: Possible Mushroom Poisoning [Re: FuManchu]
#8385212 - 05/10/08 12:01 PM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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sounds to me that yes you had a psilly and likely an agaricus. This would explain why you were the only one to get sick. Some people are more sensitive to mushrooms and their strange chemical compounds than others. For instance, morels for the most part are safe and delicious, but some people get ill after eating them. Same goes for meadow agarics. It's also possible that the shroom in question contained muscarine. Another compaound that effects people in different degrees. Were you drinking? You may have had an inky cap which contain coprin, a chemical which is normally harmless and generally passes right through your system unnoticed. However, coprin is alcohol soluable, so if you have alcohol in your system, then your body is able to absorb the toxin. Another possibility is that you contracted a nasty bit of bacterial poisoning from the dung.
As the others have already said, after 6 days you're not dead or comatose, you'll probably be ok. I would continue to have regular check ups and blood tests to be sure that whatever it is that's made you ill, is not slowly damaging your liver and especially your kidneys (kidneys are more vonerable to coprin).
I hope you feel better soon. Take it easy and keep drinking plenty of water and peeing(You're so thirsty and peeing so much because your system is trying to purge itself of the toxins).
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Damn there are a lot of intelligent people on this board, I just hope one day I can come to be that smart about a particular field of study, hopefully something as interesting as mushrooms.
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Re: Possible Mushroom Poisoning [Re: worried08]
#8386956 - 05/10/08 07:43 PM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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So how'd it go, man?
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Re: Possible Mushroom Poisoning [Re: Cameron]
#8389102 - 05/11/08 12:26 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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if you post a pic of that last mushie u had, most anyone here can tell a dried cube when they see one. hope your alright and i suspect you are.
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worried08
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Re: Possible Mushroom Poisoning [Re: Shroominzach]
#8389201 - 05/11/08 12:55 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Sorry for not posting yesterday, it was a long day and I didn't get on the computer.
The doc said I was most likely okay. My urinalysis didn't turn up anything and the blood work results will be given to me on Monday.
He gave me an antibiotic, ciprofloxacin, in case I picked up some type of bacterial bug. I've been taking that and haven't noticed any change, but it's only been a day. I'm still having the lower back pain and the diarrhea, so I will probably continue to get my urine and blood work done to make sure everything is OK.
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Were you drinking? You may have had an inky cap which contain coprin, a chemical which is normally harmless and generally passes right through your system unnoticed. However, coprin is alcohol soluable, so if you have alcohol in your system, then your body is able to absorb the toxin.
We had been drinking. I would say my last beer was probably an hour and a half so before we consumed the mushrooms, though. I guess that it would still be possible for it to mingle with the toxin but I don't know much about those things.
As for a picture of the mushroom, I am working on that. I will see if I can get one up here.
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Re: Possible Mushroom Poisoning [Re: worried08]
#8389351 - 05/11/08 01:40 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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I would say my last beer was probably an hour and a half so before we consumed the mushrooms, though. I guess that it would still be possible for it to mingle with the toxin but I don't know much about those things.
Actually trace amounts of alcohol can stay in your system for up to 7 days, which is why it is reccomended to stay away from coprinus (especially alcohol inky caps) if you like to drink more often than once every two weeks.
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old mushmellow
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It sounds like a dose of coliform bacteria poisoning. I've had exactly the same symptoms before from drinking an old soda by accident. you probably got it from the dirty mushies.
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