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 zouden
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 Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: deimya]
#8397589 - 05/13/08 04:48 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Yes the REG thing is a complete hoax. Sorry Cannashroom.
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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: zouden]
#8397723 - 05/13/08 05:27 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Problem with this is, you need to have been self, oneness and emptiness to see all sides of the story. Thing is a skeptic hasn't had oneness or emptiness. It's an experience not a belief its not like believing in god for a Christian is or believing in anything else.
It's a direct tangible change. Literally peace.
If you haven't seen oneness or emptiness, how can you judge it? surely you have to find it before you can judge it? You can't see it before you have it, because it's an experience.
Not any philosophical concept, an obvious change.
You just need to look at it and look at it and keep looking and trying to understand and then it will hit you. Then you'll understand it.
Only then can a skeptic pass any sort of judgement on it, but the skeptic will be gone. Guaranteed. Everytime.
Edited by Grapefruit (05/13/08 05:29 PM)
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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Grapefruit]
#8397750 - 05/13/08 05:42 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Grapefruit said:
You just need to look at it and look at it and keep looking and trying to understand and then it will hit you. Then you'll understand it.
Only then can a skeptic pass any sort of judgement on it, but the skeptic will be gone. Guaranteed. Everytime.
Bullshit.
How on Earth can you claim to know how every single skeptic will react to ego loss?
How can you assume some skeptics have not also seen "The light"?
This particular "Skeptic" thinks ego loss is pretty fucking cool.
Doesn't change science...
If the science doesn't prove it, a logical person won't claim something is true.
How can so many people here disagree with facts and logic? Don't ya'll use facts and logic to grow mushrooms?
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Edited by Cervantes (05/13/08 05:53 PM)
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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Grapefruit]
#8397771 - 05/13/08 05:52 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Grapefruit said:
Problem with this is, you need to have been self, oneness and emptiness to see all sides of the story. Thing is a skeptic hasn't had oneness or emptiness. It's an experience not a belief its not like believing in god for a Christian is or believing in anything else.
It's a direct tangible change. Literally peace.
If you haven't seen oneness or emptiness, how can you judge it? surely you have to find it before you can judge it? You can't see it before you have it, because it's an experience.
Not any philosophical concept, an obvious change.
You just need to look at it and look at it and keep looking and trying to understand and then it will hit you. Then you'll understand it.
Only then can a skeptic pass any sort of judgement on it, but the skeptic will be gone. Guaranteed. Everytime.
 Everytime.
and then if Jesus cums into your heart you will know the truth but not until then dood.
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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Icelander]
#8397993 - 05/13/08 07:00 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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I hope you come and visit my new website. I call it The Mockery. We will mainly discuss the care and growing of mocks...
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Edited by OrgoneConclusion (05/13/08 09:44 PM)
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No, I'm totally for sure serious dood.
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I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. R.A.W.
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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Icelander]
#8398035 - 05/13/08 07:13 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Sounds like you are between a mock and a hard place...
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Bullshit.
How on Earth can you claim to know how every single skeptic will react to ego loss?
How can you assume skeptics have not also seen what you choose to believe in?
Because it's better than beleiving in self. So you may as well believe in it. Peace is just nicer!     The skeptic would ask themselves(mental monologue)...
"So if i now i don't beleive in self and i see emptiness. Then both can be perceived in the mind as true. Thefore i do not know which is right because there is no way to know. Therefore the best decision is to go with what feels best. Because i'm given no more information than i can feel."
I don't choose to believe in emptiness. I am emptiness just like for you right now you are self.
Enlightenment literally is Enlightenment. You feel like a massive weight has been lifted from your brain is the best way i can describe it to you. You realize ego put this on your brain, disallowing peace.
Also the enlightened one is the true sceptic because he holds no notions. Right now you're mind state is self whereas i mine is neither self or selflessness. So I have no beliefs about what life should be. I am emptiness. I see it for only what it is. Peace 
Edited by Grapefruit (05/14/08 03:29 AM)
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One must ask, if one is so clinical in their research of scientific facts,what is one doing on the "shroomery" board. Maybe you should rattle your views off at a legitimate science blog, and leave us "shroomers" to contemplate our own blissfulness and oneness with the universe, without your pretentious bullshit.
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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: gc1966]
#8399749 - 05/14/08 05:29 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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gc1966 said:
One must ask, if one is so clinical in their research of scientific facts,what is one doing on the "shroomery" board. Maybe you should rattle your views off at a legitimate science blog, and leave us "shroomers" to contemplate our own blissfulness and oneness with the universe, without your pretentious bullshit.
 I think the ones who argue against oneness understand it just as well as the ones who accept it. Truth is subjective though. To each his own. (Besides, a philosophy board can use any structure it can get.) 
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You cannot understand it untill you have it. If you do not feel peace and oneness then you do not have oneness. If you do not feel ego and chaos then you do not have self. If you let go of both then you have nothing/emptiness. That's all you'll be left with. It's not something that can be understood before you have it, you can become it only if you look for it.
Once you have it, and believe me you will know when you do have it. Then you can give an opinion in this thread but you wouldn't go back to self if you lost it because truth is self is utter shite. So this thread would be a one sided debate there would be no more debate because once somebody had it they wouldn't go back to self or oneness. Unless they forgot. Who would want self? Self is as i said shit.
This thread should be called "Oneness and Self vs. Sceptics" anyway. True enlightenment is losing oneness and self, becoming sceptical of it all. Not a concept a complete encompassing loss of concepts. Because no conept can be true other than in your own mind. Please, just see the world! STOP having truth, STOP looking for it and realize there is NO TRUTH to be had. Just live, just be happy.
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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Grapefruit]
#8399794 - 05/14/08 06:01 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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Please, just see the world! STOP having truth, STOP looking for it and realize there is NO TRUTH to be had. Just live, just be happy.
See, the thing is, you can't decide what will make each and every person happy. It's wonderful if ending your search for truth has fulfilled you, but that's not the case for everyone. I think assuming that only those who agree with you know what is truly right in life is pretty arrogant.
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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Grapefruit]
#8399796 - 05/14/08 06:04 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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But that's exactly it, there isn't any truth to find and you never will find one. Your looking for something that simply isnt there to find.
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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Grapefruit]
#8399798 - 05/14/08 06:04 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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Please, just see the world! STOP having truth, STOP looking for it
Never.
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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Grapefruit]
#8399803 - 05/14/08 06:07 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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But that's exactly it, there isn't any truth to find and you never will find one. Your looking for something that simply isnt there to find.
Yes, that is the truth you have accepted. Good for you.
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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Cervantes]
#8399816 - 05/14/08 06:20 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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My advice to you, if i could be so bold, is to not just look around you, look from within, yet around. Only externally you'll find billions & billions of answers, inside theres only one answer.
And you wonder why Icelander questioned your logic?
Although I admit he was less than tactful in his word choice.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
But from what I read and understood, it seems you think I am a shallow man.
Do you really think I am SO shallow that I only LOOK at the world around me and never look inward? That I don't question my own mortality? That I have never experienced ego loss?
And are you really so shallow, that you believe there is only one answer which can be found within?
I doubt it.
Look, if you wish to communicate with PEOPLE about specific THINGS, you should use the language of science. Believe whatever you want... that is not a big problem. The problem starts when you claim you have ONE TRUE ANSWER, but you admit you can't even begin to explain it. 
I dont say you are shallow, you just assumed i said it?
When did i imply you are shallow?
Who got so offended by simlpe words and took it to mean "he called me shallow"
Dont get defensive, please, just find out who takes offense...
Who gets offened by somene knowing a singular truth!?
I wonder if Ramana & other sages had people running up to them
"the universe is not one, you are a liar!!! how dare you say you have one ultimate truth!!!how egocentric!!!"
What gets offended by another finding inner peace?
Why do some find it so hard to accept that some have found inner peace in oneness?
I am not imposing my truth on anyone, merely sharing it as that is what i see is the only thing worth "doing", spreading love & peace. Do you find offense in this?
If you have experienced "ego loss", why let it be found again?
Let it stay lost. Isit really worth beleiving in?
In truth there is no ego to be lost, just a false belief to be let go of...
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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Grapefruit]
#8399819 - 05/14/08 06:21 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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Funny thing is i probably would have been saying exactly the same things as you this time last week but hey ho!
I give up doesn't really matter anyway in the end. Want to be happy all the time? Look to lose self then selflessness. Don't? Stay in chaos then, your very much welcome to it! I'm gonna go spark up a Phatty. 
Live for the moment.
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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Grapefruit]
#8399824 - 05/14/08 06:25 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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Funny thing is i probably would have been saying exactly the same things as you this time last week but hey ho!
I give up doesn't really matter anyway in the end. Want to be happy all the time? Look to lose self then selflessness. Don't? Stay in chaos then, your very much welcome to it! I'm gonna go spark up a Phatty.
Live for the moment.
I actually live a very happy life and I love and nurture my ego. 
Living for the moment, I can definitely agree with...though I think that may mean something a bit different to me, I don't think it requires a lack of self.
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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Grapefruit]
#8399853 - 05/14/08 06:50 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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you truly have no insecurities, fear, doubts? Uncertain future plans? You don't wish that anything could be changed about your past and your content with any moment life might bring you and make it like it were your last? Hell, I love peeling a bucket of potatoes at work!
Ego has wants for the future. That's almost what ego is. When you have ego you worry about things that might knock your ego or damage it. You feel the need to change your ego to make it better. When really the best thing you can do is let go of it completely thus taking out the root of all your worries and problems.
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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Grapefruit]
#8399864 - 05/14/08 06:55 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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Grapefruit said:
you truly have no insecurities, fear, doubts? Uncertain future plans? You don't wish that anything could be changed about your past and your content with any moment life might bring you and make it like it were your last? Hell, I love peeling a bucket of potatoes at work!
Ego has wants for the future. That's almost what ego is. When you have ego you worry about things that might knock your ego or damage it. You feel the need to change your ego to make it better. When really the best thing you can do is let go of it completely thus taking out the root of all your worries and problems.
Sure, I experience fear, pain, anxiety...but the good things in life overpower all of that. Uncertain future plans are a good thing in my book. 
I don't want to lose my ego. Life is about survival (or it has been up until the present anyway). If I can survive with an illusory ego, why not?
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