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It could be an idea that is quite encompassing, yet ultimately it may be akin to believing in heaven and hell; any idea is different from any other, but each remains an idea alone.

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Grapefruit said:
Both Oneness and Ego can be easily dissolved from the mind therefore both are concepts of the mind, both are illusions. One truth, I am. Let go of all concepts then you are left with only truth.
To me oneness is still a more likely possibility though. You would have to experience both to make a judgement on that. You cannot pass judgement on "oneness" before you have the experience of "oneness".
It is close minded to beleive firmly in "self" yet have no room for "oneness" because both can be perceived with the same amount of validity.
To set your mind free you have to lose all your concepts and just let go.

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Such few posts, yet such wisdom.

I dislike the concept of oneness really, it is beautiful when really seen, but even has to be let go of, otherwise you are just creating your OWN reality, instead of experiencing reality.

Anyone can create they're own reality where everythings perfect in they're vision, but reality is before our concepts of perfection & oneness.

Oneness is true, but you can not know it until you experience it with fresh eyes, not eyes wishing to perceive oneness. Thats why doubters like OC are wise in they're own way as they aren't willing to just give up and say "OK its all ONE" then start seeing it as such.

Thats why i say be empty & remain as emptiness, then truth can be revealed as theres no ego to impose its beliefs.

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as they aren't willing to just give up and say "OK its all ONE" then start seeing it as such.

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as they aren't willing to just give up and say "OK its all ONE" then start seeing it as such.

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And neither does anyone else - hence no FEDEX truck full of 'stuff'.

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There are a few that just think "well all this talk of oneness it must be true" and then follow blindly, i think these are the most blinded!

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You are taking both sides of the argument Chronic... but don't worry... I don't entirely blame you.

I have personally encouraged THOUSANDS of trippers to try for ego loss during their trips.

I think for a begining tripper, meditation and simplicity bring greater experiences.

However, I am a Secular Buddhist (if there is such a thing)...

I find most people talk out their asses no matter what they believe in... and I see NO reason to claim something is TRUE only when it SEEMS true in an altered state.

The world we actually live in is amazing enough to me. I can already spend my life learning about what is ACTUALLY around me, and this awareness will hopefully lead me down the path to wisdom.

If I spend my time and effort believing in stuff that is not there, I fear I will waste my life.

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Less effort & fear the better, both are tricks of the mind

Meditating while tripping is a great advice to pass on as in tripping you are already ready for meditation, its much much easier to go within when tripping. I however wouldnt take anything experienced while tripping as "real", unless you uncover what appears to be truth, then further discover without drugs. But this too can be a self creative reality, which is false.

The good thing about shrooms is they noticibly take away some conditioning and make you more open while under the influence.

My advice to you, if i could be so bold, is to not just look around you, look from within, yet around. Only externally you'll find billions & billions of answers, inside theres only one answer. The path & destination of wisdom is not even one millimetre from your being, its actually impossible for it to be apart from you at any time, you can only dream otherwise...how can it be apart, you are an organism of the universe, you are it!

I take both sides of the argument because i am both sides, don't take that as cocky, you also are both sides. All are both sides. Either for or against you are closed within a concept which is just too cramped & uncomfortable for human potential.

Man its impossible to say in words whats going on, just being quiet & silent with no interpretation you can witness this reality for what it is. Simply beautiful.

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Icelander said:
Man its impossible to say in words whats going on,

Please don't then. You're posts read as silly wannabe non-sense IMO.

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Well do us both a favour and just dont read my posts then, no-one's forcing you to read it! See Chronic and just keep on scrolling

I thought this forum was of debating not berating individual posters?

No matter how much i disagree with someone here i wouldnt tell them to stop posting, you need a reality check fool! Joking, don't get all krazy

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You sound all hurt and self-important now. What do you care if I think your posts are a lot of ignorant self-aggrandizing BS.

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I think my post sounded playful not hurt & self important
I still love you iceman

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Chronic777 said:
My advice to you, if i could be so bold, is to not just look around you, look from within, yet around. Only externally you'll find billions & billions of answers, inside theres only one answer.

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And you wonder why Icelander questioned your logic?

Although I admit he was less than tactful in his word choice.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

But from what I read and understood, it seems you think I am a shallow man.

Do you really think I am SO shallow that I only LOOK at the world around me and never look inward? That I don't question my own mortality? That I have never experienced ego loss?

And are you really so shallow, that you believe there is only one answer which can be found within?

I doubt it.

Look, if you wish to communicate with PEOPLE about specific THINGS, you should use the language of science. Believe whatever you want... that is not a big problem. The problem starts when you claim you have ONE TRUE ANSWER, but you admit you can't even begin to explain it.

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Grapefruit said:
Both Oneness and Ego can be easily dissolved from the mind therefore both are concepts of the mind, both are illusions. One truth, I am. Let go of all concepts then you are left with only truth.
To me oneness is still a more likely possibility though. You would have to experience both to make a judgement on that. You cannot pass judgement on "oneness" before you have the experience of "oneness".
It is close minded to beleive firmly in "self" yet have no room for "oneness" because both can be perceived with the same amount of validity.
To set your mind free you have to lose all your concepts and just let go.

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Grapefruit said:
When will you all realize that heaven is not anywhere else, it is just a state of mind?

Believe me when i say i wake up in the morning looking forward to what the day will bring whatever. I like doing pretty much anything and everything in life, every sense feels amazing. There is no room for fear or doubt.

You just need to look within yourselves and find only one truth. No truth, let go completely.

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Now another one who knows the "truth". So many "truths" and so little evidence.