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 Re: Obama’s Buddy, Bill Ayers Stomping the American Flag [Re: zappaisgod]
#8369182 - 05/06/08 02:51 PM (4 months, 29 days ago) |
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Great post. However, it does nothing to change the almost certainty that if/when Obama becomes President, he will be no more "radical" than Bill Clinton.
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"Lunatic fringe" was a useful description before it became a cliche.
I like that. It should be pointed out, however, simply for the sake of honestly, that if one were to go & conduct personal interviews with all the billions of people in this world over an unspecified age (say 10, just to be a bit more clear), the approval rating of Hugo Chavez & Evo Morales would be much higher than that of George W. Bush & whoever the prime minister of Israel is. Looking at the numbers, you are on a lunatic fringe compared to me. Of course, the billions who would have a favorable opinion of Chavez & Morales, & an unfavorable one of Bush & the current Israeli head-of-state, are all "evil-doing terrorists" who spend our days plotting how we can kill & torture white Americans, so we're still the lunatic fringe despite being a majority, I'm guessing.
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Re: Obama’s Buddy, Bill Ayers Stomping the American Flag [Re: zappaisgod]
#8369195 - 05/06/08 02:52 PM (4 months, 29 days ago) |
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If Obama had views that were at all similar to those of Ayers, I would strongly support him. He doesn't, though... not even close.
Which is why nobody gives a fuck what you think or how you will vote. "Lunatic fringe" was a useful description before it became a cliche. You have marginalized yourself and I for one am ecstatic about it. Now please move to another country that can somehow find a use for you. Venezuela comes to mind. Ciao.
He has to kill his parents first.....
"Kill all the rich people. ... Bring the revolution home. Kill your parents."
Bill Ayers
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Re: Obama’s Buddy, Bill Ayers Stomping the American Flag [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#8369235 - 05/06/08 03:02 PM (4 months, 29 days ago) |
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You might want to reconsider your particular delusion here. Neither Chavez nor Morales is particularly popular in their own countries anymore and the rest of the world outside of the US borders have absolutely zero relevance to your status as a lunatic fringe member within the population being discussed, which is Americans eligible to vote in this election. Within that subset of the entire human population you are way out there and, your protestations to the contrary, such an assessment probably holds for the rest of the world as well. But I'm just guessing, there, and don't really give a fuck anyway.
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Re: Obama’s Buddy, Bill Ayers Stomping the American Flag [Re: zappaisgod]
#8369532 - 05/06/08 04:10 PM (4 months, 29 days ago) |
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Actually, you might want to reconsider. Both Chavez & Morales have strong support in rural areas & among peasants (especially among indigenous people), as well as the support of the urban poor. Support for them would be a majority compared to support for an opposition (i.e. neoliberal) candidate. As far as views of them around the world, Chavez once did an interview a few years ago on al-Jazeera, & the people at the station such they've never received more feedback on any story/segment/interview to date; over 95% of it positive, because Chavez spoke of things they could relate to & addressed their legitimate grievances.
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Within that subset of the entire human population you are way out there...
I like how you keep saying this, yet don't back it up with anything tangible. One central issue over the past several years has been the U.S. invasion of (& continuing occupation of) Iraq, for which a solid majority around the world opposed. Another (more fundamental to more peoples lives around the world) is global food production, distribution & access to it. On this issue also, I am not in the fringe unless we are speaking solely about the wealthiest 1% & not taking all the world population into account.
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...the rest of the world outside of the US borders have absolutely zero relevance to your status as a lunatic fringe member...
You might not care as much about the world outside of U.S. borders as much as you do the world within them, but I do. Yes, I will concede that within the American political mainstream, I am a "fringe member", but there are a lot more people in the world than just well-to-do Americans.
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Re: Obama’s Buddy, Bill Ayers Stomping the American Flag [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#8369607 - 05/06/08 04:27 PM (4 months, 29 days ago) |
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If Evo Morales is so beloved then why is his country currently under going a referendum for autonomy in the richest areas? Its quite obvious that the country is on a crash course for a civil war.
And Chavez? A person who brutalizes dissidents? Buddies up with other violent regimes who'd like to see Israel annihilated?
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Re: Obama’s Buddy, Bill Ayers Stomping the American Flag [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#8369646 - 05/06/08 04:40 PM (4 months, 29 days ago) |
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And Chavez? A person who brutalizes dissidents?
That's not true, but even if it were, an American (given their history, & some present things still, in Latin America) is hardly standing on moral highground to make pronouncements on it.
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If Evo Morales is so beloved then why is his country currently under going a referendum for autonomy in the richest areas? Its quite obvious that the country is on a crash course for a civil war.
You answered that question already. In the systems set up by colonialism in Latin America, a significant majority of land & resources (wealth) was put into a small number of hands (there are, of course, middle class elements as well, which identify with the oligarchies). In many places de facto caste systems were set up with pure-blood Spanish on top, light-skinned mestizo below them, then darker-skinned mestizo, then zambo, indigenous & African at the bottom. For most of Bolivia's history since colonialism, the poorer classes have accepted (though not happily, obviously) their inferior status, their poverty & their disenfranchisement & lack of access to power (whether educational opportunities or positions in upper levels of commerce & government). With the social movements that propelled Evo Morales (the first indigenous head-of-state in Latin America since colonialist times) to power, the poorer classes are getting more bold in asserting their rights & demanding more participation in government & business (society as a whole, you could say). This is bound to bring about conflict to some degree when those at the top who have held their wealth & power for decades are challenged & don't want to give it up to help in the construction of a society that serves all of its members.
This (Chavez & Morales) is seen by Washington as a challenge it its "backyard", as it has long held some form of control over Latin America (most importantly to it, the commerce) & would like to maintain it, but sees its power slipping. In Ecuador the government of Rafael Correras that came to power refused to renew the contract for the U.S. base there (which was very beneficial for carrying out "Plan Colombia"), even having the arrogance (from the perspective of Washington) to say, "The U.S. can have a base in Ecuador when Ecuador gets to have one in the U.S." Within the last month or two, decades of one-party rule by a right-wing oligarchy came to an end in Paraguay with the victory of a left-wing Catholic bishop seen as sympathetic to the poor. In Mexico's last presidential election, the government had to resort to massive corrupt to give victory to the right-wing neoliberal candidate (who campaign was aided by U.S. PR firms) against the left-wing (former, I believe) mayor of Mexico City, who had widespread support among the poor & marginalized because they experience everyday of their lives a corrupt system of extreme economic & political disparity that isn't working for them, & shows no sign of working for their future, or that of their children. In Nicaragua & Guatemala recently, two left-wing presidents were elected who came to power with widespread support among the poor. The U.S. also hasn't been favorable towards the government of Argentina since its preferred candidate was ousted several years ago amid an economic collapse that brought Nestor Kirchner to power (who established good relation with Chavez, & even acknowledged that he admired Che Guevara!) The long marginalized classes throughout Latin America are starting to demand more political power & control of their nation's resources, & this is a huge annoyance for the transnational corporations that U.S. politicians & bureaucrats (Republican & Democrat alike). work for.
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Re: Obama’s Buddy, Bill Ayers Stomping the American Flag [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#8369748 - 05/06/08 05:04 PM (4 months, 29 days ago) |
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You didnt comment on the fact that he is seen shilling with Ahmeninijad, a country that has advocated complete destruction of Israel and is working in the means to accomplish that goal.
Frankly, I dont find myself supporting these radicals because most politicians who rise on the back of peasants usually turn out to be disgusting despots of the worst kind.
Chavez frequently accuses his detractors of being supported by the US in some vast conspiracy against him. He has threatened war against Colombia. The guy is bad news and a potentially dangerous figure.
As for Evo Morales, may the same apply to him, another potential demagogue, whose party lives fat off his revolutionary rhetoric while the peasants still bear the brunt. You wont find me supporting any of these two Mao's.
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Re: Obama’s Buddy, Bill Ayers Stomping the American Flag [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#8369765 - 05/06/08 05:10 PM (4 months, 29 days ago) |
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Chavez just lost a huge vote to amend the constitution to anoint him dictator for life and Morales is a cunt hair away from civil war. Wake up.
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Re: Obama’s Buddy, Bill Ayers Stomping the American Flag [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#8369811 - 05/06/08 05:24 PM (4 months, 29 days ago) |
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an American (given their history, & some present things still, in Latin America) is hardly standing on moral highground to make pronouncements on it.
and what is your nationality, oh perennial occupier of higher moral ground?
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EntheogenicPeace
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Re: Obama’s Buddy, Bill Ayers Stomping the American Flag [Re: wilshire]
#8369971 - 05/06/08 06:12 PM (4 months, 29 days ago) |
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I'm pointing out something which is pretty plain & clear. If you can refute it, then do so. if you can't, then that is very telling.
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Re: Obama’s Buddy, Bill Ayers Stomping the American Flag [Re: zappaisgod]
#8369983 - 05/06/08 06:14 PM (4 months, 29 days ago) |
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Chavez just lost a huge vote to amend the constitution to anoint him dictator for life and Morales is a cunt hair away from civil war. Wake up.
About Bolivia, I addressed that in my post.
About the vote in Venezuela several months ago, I've already addressed that extensively in one (possibly) two posts when it occurred.
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Re: Obama’s Buddy, Bill Ayers Stomping the American Flag [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#8370042 - 05/06/08 06:25 PM (4 months, 29 days ago) |
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You wont find me supporting any of these two Mao's.
Well then, you won't find me supporting Bush/Hitler... real mature, insightful & sophisticated.
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The guy is bad news and a potentially dangerous figure.
For those who've never had educational & quality healthcare access before, but do now, would contend otherwise.
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Chavez frequently accuses his detractors of being supported by the US in some vast conspiracy against him.
They are, & the U.S. has already backed (possibly orchestrated) a coup against him. For anyone familiar with the historic role of the U.S. in Latin America, this would hardly be shocking.
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...because most politicians who rise on the back of peasants usually turn out to be disgusting despots of the worst kind.
Unfortunately, some do (the likes of Pol Pot & Robert Mugabe come to mind). That characterization, however, doesn't apply to Chavez & Morales yet, & likely never will.
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...whose party lives fat off...
Both Chavez & Morales grew up in poverty, which can (but certainly doesn't mean it will) give them a different view of the world & serve different interests than someone born with a golden spoon in their mouth & has never had it taken out (like the current U.S. leader). Thus far, Chavez & Morales have remained true to their roots.
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You didnt comment on the fact that he is seen shilling with Ahmeninijad
He enjoys good relations with Iran due to shared animosity towards U.S. imperialism. I don't support the Iranian government, but it doesn't lessen my opinion of him (Chavez), though. Please don't say something about him (Ahmadinejad) being the worst tyrant since Hitler since the U.S. has supported/does support countless government as bad (& some much worse) than his.
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Re: Obama’s Buddy, Bill Ayers Stomping the American Flag [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#8370207 - 05/06/08 06:57 PM (4 months, 29 days ago) |
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For those who've never had educational & quality healthcare access before, but do now, would contend otherwise.
Al Capone donated a lot to charity as well, Hitler did immense things for the economy to germany. I guess the good rules out the bad huh?
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They are, & the U.S. has already backed (possibly orchestrated) a coup against him. For anyone familiar with the historic role of the U.S. in Latin America, this would hardly be shocking.
Yea, its very convenient to label all opposition as being supported by the Americans, which is obviously what he is doing, Mr. Chavez, president for life safeguarding the victorious venezualan people from an ifringing US. You obviously see what he projects but maybe you should visit Venezuala and find out that the poor is still kept in a position of poverty, that its nothing but revolutionary banter for Chavez's Potemkin Villages.
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Unfortunately, some do (the likes of Pol Pot & Robert Mugabe come to mind). That characterization, however, doesn't apply to Chavez & Morales yet, & likely never will.
No it will, because these people cant take opposition democracy, when they become presidents they become presidents for life. Is that a democratic process? They label their opposition as a vast conspiracy to rid him, and idiot neo-left morons take every inch of his bullshit like it was gospel.
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He enjoys good relations with Iran due to shared animosity towards U.S. imperialism. I don't support the Iranian government, but it doesn't lessen my opinion of him (Chavez), though. Please don't say something about him (Ahmadinejad) being the worst tyrant since Hitler since the U.S. has supported/does support countless government as bad (& some much worse) than his.
What about iranian imperialism? What about their funding of the Shiite civil war in Yemen? Or their attempted coups in Bahrain, I guess imperialism only applies to the US. You only see one side of the coin, everything else is only comparable to Hitler.
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Re: Obama’s Buddy, Bill Ayers Stomping the American Flag [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#8370829 - 05/06/08 09:02 PM (4 months, 29 days ago) |
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Al Capone donated a lot to charity as well, Hitler did immense things for the economy to germany. I guess the good rules out the bad huh?
Yeah, a Hitler comparison... you're really demonstrating great debating ability; you've just got Attila the Hun & Genghis Khan to go (& Stalin if you haven't brought him up already). It's yet to be explained how not helping poor people with education, housing, access to affordable food, clean water & electricity, healthcare & employment is doing good for them, but to work & to improve their situation is to "use" them for sinister reasons. It is apparently incomprehensible for many well-off people that those coming from very poor backgrounds desire to use power for social transformation for the primary benefit of the poor & exploited because in their nations people tend to only seek power to further their own personal economic interests. When you denounce Chavez & Morales, you may speak for well-to-do people in the Western Hemisphere, but you sure as hell don't speak for a solid majority of the poor & indigenous in the Americas. Whether or not you value their opinions & perspectives is irrelevant, but here is a sampling of what the traditionally poor & marginalized think of Hugo Chavez & the Venezuelan Revolution (I will post more when I have time):
&NR=1
http://www.resistance.org.au/88 (not the same as the one above... very short)
If you want to keep speaking in the vague generalities (i.e. dictator, tyrant, etc.) put forth by the corporate media in the U.S. (which aren't true) about Venezuela & Bolivia, then do so, but I'd rather not. I will post another one that is Spanish with English subtitles that is about 60-80 minutes long when I can find it.
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You only see one side of the coin, everything else is only comparable to Hitler.
You're the one bringing up Hitler, not me. I don't support the Iranian government (nor would I have supported the U.S. puppet government in power before the current one, but I would have supported that of Mossedegh which was overthrowing due to the CIA), so I'm not going to waste time defending it.
P.S. The people's revolution that has been occurring in Venezuela to some degree or another for about 20 years now began in 1989, not with an official government pronouncement by Chavez (who was virtually unknown at the time), but with popular street protests against the attempted implementation of further neoliberal economic policies.
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Re: Obama’s Buddy, Bill Ayers Stomping the American Flag [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#8382264 - 05/09/08 03:44 PM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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I met Bill Ayers. He's one of the most intelligent and kind people I've ever been acquainted with. He and his wife (Bernadine Dohrn) lived in my dorm for a week.
He also convinced me to go into education as an effective way of advancing my intellectual agenda.
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Re: Obama’s Buddy, Bill Ayers Stomping the American Flag [Re: kriminalelement]
#8382427 - 05/09/08 04:55 PM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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I met Bill Ayers. He's one of the most intelligent and kind people I've ever been acquainted with. He and his wife (Bernadine Dohrn) lived in my dorm for a week.
He also convinced me to go into education as an effective way of advancing my intellectual agenda.
kind?
kind murderes?
Ayers and his CUNT wife are responsible for nine orphaned children.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brinks_robbery_(1981)
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Re: Obama’s Buddy, Bill Ayers Stomping the American Flag [Re: lonestar2004]
#8382649 - 05/09/08 06:07 PM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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I met Bill Ayers. He's one of the most intelligent and kind people I've ever been acquainted with. He and his wife (Bernadine Dohrn) lived in my dorm for a week.
He also convinced me to go into education as an effective way of advancing my intellectual agenda.
kind?
kind murderes?
Ayers and his CUNT wife are responsible for nine orphaned children.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brinks_robbery_(1981)
Not that it has the slightest thing to do with Obama, but Ayers and his wife left the Weather Underground in the mid 1970s and turned themselves into the authorities. And yet the Brinks Robbery happened in 1981. Huh. Guess they had nothing to do with the Brinks robbery, except that they adopted the son of two of the Weathermen who were convicted for charges of the robbery.
Ironically, they are responsible for creating zero orphaned children and are responsible for adopting one orphaned child.
If you would like a source just click on the one above or go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_ayers
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Re: Obama’s Buddy, Bill Ayers Stomping the American Flag [Re: gluke bastid]
#8382796 - 05/09/08 06:45 PM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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Ayers and his CUNT wife are responsible for nine orphaned children.
Bernadine Dohrn is anything but a "Cunt". I don't like your fucking sexist language. I don't like your fucking misinformation campaign either.
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Re: Obama’s Buddy, Bill Ayers Stomping the American Flag [Re: kriminalelement]
#8382928 - 05/09/08 07:21 PM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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JOHN M. MURTAGH
Fire in the Night
The Weathermen tried to kill my family.
30 April 2008
During the April 16 debate between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, moderator George Stephanopoulos brought up “a gentleman named William Ayers,” who “was part of the Weather Underground in the 1970s. They bombed the Pentagon, the Capitol, and other buildings. He’s never apologized for that.” Stephanopoulos then asked Obama to explain his relationship with Ayers. Obama’s answer: “The notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was eight years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn’t make much sense, George.” Obama was indeed only eight in early 1970. I was only nine then, the year Ayers’s Weathermen tried to murder me.
In February 1970, my father, a New York State Supreme Court justice, was presiding over the trial of the so-called “Panther 21,” members of the Black Panther Party indicted in a plot to bomb New York landmarks and department stores. Early on the morning of February 21, as my family slept, three gasoline-filled firebombs exploded at our home on the northern tip of Manhattan, two at the front door and the third tucked neatly under the gas tank of the family car. (Today, of course, we’d call that a car bomb.) A neighbor heard the first two blasts and, with the remains of a snowman I had built a few days earlier, managed to douse the flames beneath the car. That was an act whose courage I fully appreciated only as an adult, an act that doubtless saved multiple lives that night.
I still recall, as though it were a dream, thinking that someone was lifting and dropping my bed as the explosions jolted me awake, and I remember my mother’s pulling me from the tangle of sheets and running to the kitchen where my father stood. Through the large windows overlooking the yard, all we could see was the bright glow of flames below. We didn’t leave our burning house for fear of who might be waiting outside. The same night, bombs were thrown at a police car in Manhattan and two military recruiting stations in Brooklyn. Sunlight, the next morning, revealed three sentences of blood-red graffiti on our sidewalk: FREE THE PANTHER 21; THE VIET CONG HAVE WON; KILL THE PIGS.
For the next 18 months, I went to school in an unmarked police car. My mother, a schoolteacher, had plainclothes detectives waiting in the faculty lounge all day. My brother saved a few bucks because he didn’t have to rent a limo for the senior prom: the NYPD did the driving. We all made the best of the odd new life that had been thrust upon us, but for years, the sound of a fire truck’s siren made my stomach knot and my heart race. In many ways, the enormity of the attempt to kill my entire family didn’t fully hit me until years later, when, a father myself, I was tucking my own nine-year-old John Murtagh into bed.
Though no one was ever caught or tried for the attempt on my family’s life, there was never any doubt who was behind it. Only a few weeks after the attack, the New York contingent of the Weathermen blew themselves up making more bombs in a Greenwich Village townhouse. The same cell had bombed my house, writes Ron Jacobs in The Way the Wind Blew: A History of the Weather Underground. And in late November that year, a letter to the Associated Press signed by Bernardine Dohrn, Ayers’s wife, promised more bombings.
As the association between Obama and Ayers came to light, it would have helped the senator a little if his friend had at least shown some remorse. But listen to Ayers interviewed in the New York Times on September 11, 2001, of all days: “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.” Translation: “We meant to kill that judge and his family, not just damage the porch.” When asked by the Times if he would do it all again, Ayers responded: “I don’t want to discount the possibility.”
Though never a supporter of Obama, I admired him for a time for his ability to engage our imaginations, and especially for his ability to inspire the young once again to embrace the political system. Yet his myopia in the last few months has cast a new light on his “politics of change.” Nobody should hold the junior senator from Illinois responsible for his friends’ and supporters’ violent terrorist acts. But it is fair to hold him responsible for a startling lack of judgment in his choice of mentors, associates, and friends, and for showing a callous disregard for the lives they damaged and the hatred they have demonstrated for this country. It is fair, too, to ask what those choices say about Obama’s own beliefs, his philosophy, and the direction he would take our nation.
At the conclusion of his 2001 Times interview, Ayers said of his upbringing and subsequent radicalization: “I was a child of privilege and I woke up to a world on fire.”
Funny thing, Bill: one night, so did I.
John M. Murtagh is a practicing attorney, an adjunct professor of public policy at the Fordham University College of Liberal Studies, and a member of the city council in Yonkers, New York, where he resides with his wife and two sons.
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0430jm.html
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Re: Obama’s Buddy, Bill Ayers Stomping the American Flag [Re: Phred]
#8383337 - 05/09/08 09:34 PM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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Oh please. Ayers was never the leader of the Weather Underground. If you've spoken to the man you would know that while he is clearly an extremist with some pretty out-there ideas (a bunch of which I personally am opposed to), he is committed to the idea that non-violence and property damage, especially symbolically significant property damage, aren't mutually exclusive.
Ayers was not involved in this event either. This was a cell working by themselves. This event further solidified the other members' resolve to not commit acts of terror and violence against human life.
The article attributes Bill Ayers to this event but in actual fact he had nothing to do with it. He was simply a member of a different independently operating cell that shared a name with these people.
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