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 zappaisgod
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 Re: Fairness, idealism and other atrocities [Re: Veritas]
#8365476 - 05/05/08 03:47 PM (5 months, 8 days ago) |
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What do you think the budget is? Over $3T I believe. You did a tiny bit of research. Now do the rest.
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Re: Fairness, idealism and other atrocities [Re: zappaisgod]
#8365489 - 05/05/08 03:51 PM (5 months, 8 days ago) |
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No, it is up to you to prove that your assertion is supported. U.S. Discretionary spending is split between Security and Non-Security, and I already posted those figures. There is NO way that 'entitlement' programs exceed the defense budget.
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EntheogenicPeace
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Re: Fairness, idealism and other atrocities [Re: zappaisgod]
#8365491 - 05/05/08 03:52 PM (5 months, 8 days ago) |
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I shouldn't have posted my last two posts as they were getting far away from my central point, which is...
The three most prominent examples of big government in U.S. society today are (& have been for some time):
1. war & military
2. Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid
3. "Drug" prohibition
(not listed in a particular order)
>95% of people who rant daily against "big government" themselves are the strongest of supporters of points 1 & 3. Although you & Phred are opposed to #3, a solid majority of those who support war (& I'll limit it to Iraq to avoid abstraction) also support prohibition of certain substances, rendering any of their (including the current Administration) statements against "big government" void & revealing them as liars.
This is also not a partisan judgment. If someone on the left was a strong supporter of point #2 & #3, yet spoke something against "big government", they would also be a complete hypocrite.
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zappaisgod
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A solid majority of all people are opposed to #3. Soc sec and MC make the defense budget look like an allowance and the drug war is a pittance next to the other two.
The single most flagrant force of government in this country is the tax code. Most people are mostly law abiding and the tax code is the single greatest source of oppression. Almost all dopers can do what they want but no one beats the tax man.
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Re: Fairness, idealism and other atrocities [Re: zappaisgod]
#8365551 - 05/05/08 04:05 PM (5 months, 8 days ago) |
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A solid majority of all people are opposed to #3
What? Opposed to it (prohibition), or opposed to repealing it?
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Soc sec and MC make the defense budget look like an allowance and the drug war is a pittance next to the other two.
I will have to look up those figures, but I'm skeptical that whatever the figure is that it makes hundreds of billions look like pocket change. Besides, if you (eventually) get money back that you put in on something, it is not the same as if you never get it back. As for the "Drug War" being nothing... tell that to the millions who have been in & out of prison over the last few decades because of it (probably more than 10,000,000... ~1,000,000 currently), & the millions who are/have been on probation or under some other kind of legal restriction due to it. Its effects on U.S. society have hardly been insignificant.
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Re: Fairness, idealism and other atrocities [Re: Veritas]
#8365552 - 05/05/08 04:06 PM (5 months, 8 days ago) |
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I call bullshit. A quick review of the U.S. budget shows 2008 Security Funding at $656 billion, and Non-Security Funding at $481 billion. The requested funding for 2009 is $730 billion Security, $482 billion Non-Security.
Source please.
These numbers cannot be correct, since the budget is currently $3,000 billion. That leaves (by your numbers) $1788 billion that is something other than security or non-security. You need to do some more homework.
Phred
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zappaisgod
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EntheogenicPeace said:
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A solid majority of all people are opposed to #3
What? Opposed to it (prohibition), or opposed to repealing it?
Opposed to repealing it. As you know.
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Re: Fairness, idealism and other atrocities [Re: Phred]
#8365619 - 05/05/08 04:22 PM (5 months, 8 days ago) |
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To clarify, I was reviewing the Discretionary budget. The Mandatory budget includes Social Security and Medicare, both of which require participants to contribute money in order to receive funds. I did not realize that the term "entitlement" programs included programs which required contributions, and this explains the discrepancy.
However, the point still stands that "welfare" programs are a tiny portion of the U.S. budget. The free lunch which conservatives constantly complain about is a pittance compared to what we spend on defense. The U.S. defense budget is roughly equal to the combined defense budgets of the entire world.
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Re: Fairness, idealism and other atrocities [Re: Veritas]
#8365651 - 05/05/08 04:28 PM (5 months, 8 days ago) |
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Yeah. Too bad we're the only ones left with any balls. And what makes you think you have any idea what China's defense budget is? Let me give you a hint. You don't. Why doesn't Western Europe have one? Because they live under our umbrella. Talk about a welfare program.
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Re: Fairness, idealism and other atrocities [Re: zappaisgod]
#8365659 - 05/05/08 04:31 PM (5 months, 8 days ago) |
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Yes, I'm sure that all that defense spending is absolutely essential, and that it truly demonstrates to the world just how massive our virtual testicles are. *sigh*
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Re: Fairness, idealism and other atrocities [Re: zappaisgod]
#8365662 - 05/05/08 04:32 PM (5 months, 8 days ago) |
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Opposed to repealing it. As you know.
When it comes to the "hard" drugs, I'll agree... but I wouldn't be too sure that a solid majority in the U.S. support cannabis prohibition (recreational use)...& certainly not a ban on its medicinal use... & especially not the ban on industrial hemp.
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I hate marijuana and the people who smoke it.
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Re: Fairness, idealism and other atrocities [Re: Luddite]
#8366116 - 05/05/08 07:06 PM (5 months, 8 days ago) |
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Thanks for your input.
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Re: Fairness, idealism and other atrocities [Re: Luddite]
#8366206 - 05/05/08 07:29 PM (5 months, 8 days ago) |
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Luddite said:
I hate marijuana and the people who smoke it.
What are you doing here?
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Re: Fairness, idealism and other atrocities [Re: Veritas]
#8366346 - 05/05/08 08:07 PM (5 months, 8 days ago) |
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Veritas said:
Yes, I'm sure that all that defense spending is absolutely essential, and that it truly demonstrates to the world just how massive our virtual testicles are. *sigh*
Today I beat up a guy who did things that I oppose.
Ergo, I have large testicles. Really large.
Duh, Veritas. It's very simple.
By the way, you are excluded from evaluating foreign policy, as it is obviously a strictly male system, and it is measured in balls. The people without balls do not count, and their attributes are only used in conjunction with negative evaluations.
Zappaisgod, you never fail to make me laugh. You and your big testicles are gonna rule the world some day. I'll be eagerly awaiting this return to the dark ages.
Edited by The Tourist (05/05/08 08:09 PM)
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Re: Fairness, idealism and other atrocities [Re: The Tourist]
#8366418 - 05/05/08 08:25 PM (5 months, 8 days ago) |
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Zappaisgod, you never fail to make me laugh. You and your big testicles are gonna rule the world some day. I'll be eagerly awaiting this return to the dark ages.
Me too. I plan on slow roasting him and then throwing a little shindig at what used to be his house.
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Re: Fairness, idealism and other atrocities [Re: Icelander]
#8366699 - 05/05/08 09:26 PM (5 months, 8 days ago) |
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If you disagree with him, it would do your large balls an injustice NOT to slow roast him. I'll bring the bbq sauce if I'm not busy swashbuckling or pillaging.
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zorbman
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Re: Fairness, idealism and other atrocities [Re: Phred]
#8367182 - 05/05/08 11:21 PM (5 months, 8 days ago) |
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Phred said:
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I liked it, I don't get why everyone doesn't
Libbies are infamous for their lack of a sense of humor.
Phred
ALL extremists, left AND right, lack a sense of humor, Freddy.
Take off your partisan blinders just once in your life.
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Re: Fairness, idealism and other atrocities [Re: The Tourist]
#8367237 - 05/05/08 11:32 PM (5 months, 8 days ago) |
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I'll bring the bbq sauce if I'm not busy swashbuckling or pillaging.
Fine, but don't forget to rape.
You can't have pillaging without raping!
And you can't have raping without pillaging.
They kinda just go together.
The bbq traditionally follows the raping and pillaging.
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Re: Fairness, idealism and other atrocities [Re: zorbman]
#8367406 - 05/06/08 12:18 AM (5 months, 8 days ago) |
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I wouldn't leave out rape!!
I assumed it was a given.
Thirteenth century, here we come! Man the wheel Zappa, and don't forget your balls!
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