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 todesengel
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 First Degree Robbery and Burglary
#8336275 - 04/28/08 12:10 AM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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If someone was to encounter these charges, what would their punishment be? This is Washington state.
If it were First degree armed robbery and burglary would it be different?
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Re: First Degree Robbery and Burglary [Re: todesengel]
#8336299 - 04/28/08 12:21 AM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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A quick search tells me that first degree robbery and burglary are both Class A felonies in Washington St.
I'm not sure about armed robbery. I don't see it listed in the statutes, and first degree robbery is, by definition a robbery in which a weapon is used.
Class A felonies are punishable by a maximum of Life in Prison and a 50,000 dollar fine.
Your mileage may vary, have a nice day
Should've left the gun at home.
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Re: First Degree Robbery and Burglary [Re: todesengel]
#8336416 - 04/28/08 01:00 AM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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If you want me to calculate your Washington state scoresheet and give you the sentencing range in months I need to know priors.
Either way, priors or not, whoever was charged with these crimes will be going to Walla Walla (if its still open). If the charge is good.
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Re: First Degree Robbery and Burglary [Re: Chemy]
#8336418 - 04/28/08 01:01 AM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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What an awesome name for a city.
Walla Walla.
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Re: First Degree Robbery and Burglary [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8336421 - 04/28/08 01:03 AM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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Quote:
Madtowntripper said:
What an awesome name for a prison.
Walla Walla.
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Re: First Degree Robbery and Burglary [Re: Chemy]
#8336423 - 04/28/08 01:05 AM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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That too.
I bet the prisoners from there get no respect.
How can you claim to be hard when you came from a place called "walla walla"?
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Re: First Degree Robbery and Burglary [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8336480 - 04/28/08 01:30 AM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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Yeah it sounds crazy, like a cartoon prison.
OP, here's the score for someone with a squeaky clean record:
1st degree robbery primary offense and burglary
Deadly weapon is not a firearm
60 - 72 months incarceration followed by 18 - 36 months probation.
Deadly weapon is a firearm
96 - 108 months incarceration followed by 18 - 36 months probation
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Re: First Degree Robbery and Burglary [Re: Chemy]
#8336489 - 04/28/08 01:38 AM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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How are you figuring that out, out of curiosity?
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Re: First Degree Robbery and Burglary [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8336496 - 04/28/08 01:41 AM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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chemy....minimum and maximum sentencing guidelines? they vary from state to state and even federal
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Re: First Degree Robbery and Burglary [Re: rugergirl79]
#8336499 - 04/28/08 01:42 AM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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that guy is screwed...both ways. to walla walla he goes.
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Re: First Degree Robbery and Burglary [Re: rugergirl79]
#8336503 - 04/28/08 01:43 AM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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Quote:
rugergirl79 said:
chemy....minimum and maximum sentencing guidelines? they vary from state to state and even federal
That's why I used the applicable Washington state sentencing guidelines because the charges are from Washington.
If he was in Florida he would have automatic life. It's not considered automatic in the statutes, but it's imposed nonetheless.
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Re: First Degree Robbery and Burglary [Re: Chemy]
#8336507 - 04/28/08 01:44 AM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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lucky he is not in florida then....
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Re: First Degree Robbery and Burglary [Re: rugergirl79]
#8336641 - 04/28/08 03:19 AM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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> If he was in Florida he would have automatic life.
WTF? Life for robbery? You can molest kids and get a lot less than that!
> How can you claim to be hard when you came from a place called "walla walla"?
By doing a hell of a lot of ass raping.
But seriously, I was wondering how "armed" charges work out. Does anybody know how that works. I'm thinking of situations where fake or unloaded weapons are used. Also what if you just pretend to have a gun?
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Re: First Degree Robbery and Burglary [Re: rugergirl79]
#8336642 - 04/28/08 03:19 AM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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Each person had a clean record.
The charges are now
First Degree Armed Robbery and Burglary
Second Degree Assault with a Deadly Weapon
The weapon was a shotgun and a baseball bat, if that matters.
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Re: First Degree Robbery and Burglary [Re: todesengel]
#8336737 - 04/28/08 05:37 AM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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> Each person had a clean record.
This gives the lawyers a lot of room to work out a deal to reduce the charges to something less severe. However, a lot is going to depend upon the circumstances of what happened. Assuming clear record, no drugs, and no physical harm to anybody, I would suspect a long (3 to 5 year) suspended sentence. However, the firearm isn't going to look good and may change what they are willing to go with. If people were hurt, or drugs were present, then all bets are off and somebody will probably do time.
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Re: First Degree Robbery and Burglary [Re: Seuss]
#8336856 - 04/28/08 07:51 AM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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New score:
150 - 179 months incarceration followed by 18 - 36 months probation.
Seperate scoresheets were calculated, the range would be 13 - 17 months less if the 2nd degree assault is calculated on the primary scoresheet, I doubt that will happen considering the type of charges these are.
In states that use the scoresheet and offense severity chart like Washington and Florida, Judges do not deviate from the guidelines without good reason.
Mitigating factors are:
Offender was forced or coerced into committing the act.
The victim provoked the attack.
Probation is a possibility, if the offender in a case like this gets probation, it's usually a one pot shot and the first VOP will result in prison time so don't FUCK UP.
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Re: First Degree Robbery and Burglary [Re: Seuss]
#8336864 - 04/28/08 07:57 AM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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Quote:
Seuss said:
> Each person had a clean record.
This gives the lawyers a lot of room to work out a deal to reduce the charges to something less severe.
Not really.
I interpret these charges as: Armed Home Invasion with a Firearm and Deadly Weapon (baseball bat) where a victim that is most likely a resident was physically attacked.
Unless you have the dream team, and one of them is dead, well you get the point.
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Re: First Degree Robbery and Burglary [Re: Chemy]
#8337843 - 04/28/08 02:40 PM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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> I interpret these charges as
... without specifics, it is hard to know. I was giving the benefit of the doubt... but with weapons, and if there was any violence, then all bets are off. Still, a clean record helps when compared to somebody that has been through the system a few times and should know better.
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Re: First Degree Robbery and Burglary [Re: Seuss]
#8339615 - 04/28/08 09:40 PM (5 months, 5 days ago) |
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It was 4 tweakers who commited 3 home invasion robberies armed with 1 shotgun and 1 baseball bat between 4 people. Previous failed robbery attempt left 4 bullet holes on a home.
Second degree assault charge was someone using the butt end of the shotgun and knocking someone out.
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Re: First Degree Robbery and Burglary [Re: todesengel]
#8339633 - 04/28/08 09:43 PM (5 months, 5 days ago) |
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I could tell from the charges.
They will get the highest of the range for that.
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150 - 179 months incarceration followed by 18 - 36 months probation.
I would bet a ton of money they are gone for a long time, no chance of straight paper.
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