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 b0red5tiff
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 reading letters in your dreams? 
#8323022 - 04/24/08 02:45 PM (5 years, 25 days ago) |
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has anyone encountered this phenomenon, where you can read stuff in your dreams? like books or notes?
it happened to me before i went into deep sleep. i had music for background (electric wizard) and i was half-sleeping and i remember i had my eyes closed and under the eyelids there was a small internet explorer window/notepad and there were letters and words running in it. they didn't appear to be random, more like in a language i couldn't make sense of, some of them seemed to be file extension names like .jpeg and so on but they kept changing.
i thought i should write it down but the more i thought about other stuff the fuzzier the letters became, so i strained my eyes and focused on the letters hoping i remember this when i wake up.
i think i'm getting better at this and soon i'll be able to remember the words exactly. the funniest thing is that they kept changing, like water.
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leoside
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Re: reading letters in your dreams? [Re: b0red5tiff]
#8323030 - 04/24/08 02:50 PM (5 years, 25 days ago) |
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Cool stuff.
Reading anything has never happened to me, as far as I can remember.
There have been a few times when Ive got some cool ideas though
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Re: reading letters in your dreams? [Re: leoside]
#8323055 - 04/24/08 02:57 PM (5 years, 25 days ago) |
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i solve math equations in my sleep
its really weird b/c my brain does it 4 me and i dont even need to think about it
and i work it out when i wake up and it always worx
dope shit 
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Re: reading letters in your dreams? [Re: b0red5tiff]
#8323102 - 04/24/08 03:14 PM (5 years, 25 days ago) |
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I don't know if I actually see letters to read or hear sounds, but whatever I was supposed to obtain from either instantly pops into my "consciousness". (I think I explained that right)
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TripityDooDaDay
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Re: reading letters in your dreams? [Re: Cowgold]
#8323156 - 04/24/08 03:30 PM (5 years, 25 days ago) |
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the funniest thing is that they kept changing, like water.
Actually that makes good sense to me. I would be surprised if they didn't keep changing.
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Re: reading letters in your dreams? [Re: b0red5tiff]
#8323236 - 04/24/08 03:57 PM (5 years, 25 days ago) |
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b0red5tiff said:
i think i'm getting better at this and soon i'll be able to remember the words exactly. the funniest thing is that they kept changing, like water.
This is a well-known phenomena of dreaming. When we are dreaming, our entire experience is defined by thought alone. Reading something causes you to think verbally; these new thoughts then manifest themselves as new words, causing the text to morph as you read.
When we are awake, we are constantly taking in sensory data to provide a static visual experience. You can read words, and think about them, but you still see the same words because the image comes from your eyes, not your thoughts.
As far as I can tell, dreaming and waking experiences are only different in that we have no incoming sensory data to define our experience.
Often reading in dreams triggers one to become lucid because the way the words change is a sure-fire sign that you are dreaming.
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Re: reading letters in your dreams? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#8323244 - 04/24/08 03:59 PM (5 years, 25 days ago) |
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Anyone who's seen Waking Life would know!
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Madtowntripper said:
It's common knowledge that Jewunit is an umemployed drain on society, supposedly attending some university that nobodies ever heard of.
He may in fact, be a literal bum, only able to make himself known to us here by occasionally stopping into dark internet cafes to make a few quick, frantic posts before the owners force him to leave because of the stench of rotting vegetables and desperation wafting forth from his pores.
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Re: reading letters in your dreams? [Re: jewunit]
#8323249 - 04/24/08 04:08 PM (5 years, 25 days ago) |
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found this:
Lucid dreamers report that reading, and especially re-reading, of text in lucid dreams can present challenges. Here is Oliver Fox’s description: “…reading [in lucid dreams] is a very difficult matter. The print seems clear enough until one tries to read it: then the letters become blurred or run together, or fade away, or change to others” (1962, pg.46). If comprehended initially, the text, upon rereading, can change in either form, lexical structure, semantic structure, or based on rhyme and alliteration (LaBerge, 1996). Here are some examples:
(DDG53) “I saw a bulletin board and went and tried to read it. I managed to read, with great difficulty, one line of what looked like a flyer announcing a party. I tried to reread the line so as to memorize it, but it now read something completely different. Familiar with this kind of thing, I gave up trying to read.”
(DDG13) “I noticed a sign in front of a building and got the idea to go try to read it... The sign was on some steps leading into a building and I got the sense that it was some kind of official sign. I tried to read it but had a very difficult time. I could not get it into focus that easily. All I could make out were the letters ‘OR’, which for some reason I interpreted to mean Oregon, and, with difficulty I read the statement ‘Cheyan Country’. At that moment I thought to myself ‘This sign is senseless.’ I gave up my attempt to read the sign and walked back down the steps somewhat shaken up.”
There are other occasions in which lucid dreamers read dream material that is coherent and even especially meaningful as in the following example:
(SLB592) “Exploring around a grand old hotel that for some reason I take to be ‘Freud’s Hotel’. Fully lucid, I find a piece of paper that appears at first to be a prescription, but upon closer inspection now seems the will or legacy of Anna Freud. On the paper I read the words:
TO DUST, WE MUST;
TO LIGHT, WE MIGHT.”
Variations in dream reading presumably occur because the brain creates dreamed text without any external source of visual information, resulting in unstable perceptions of dream text. The relative roles of individual differences versus expectation in the variations of dream reading has yet to be determined.
so WhiskeyClone, do you think it's worth the effort to try and make sense of the words or are they perpetuating to the point of nonsense? like with every thought they change because they ARE thoughts? i feel like if i strain my eyes enough they become more stable and that inside one sentence there is also one book, because there's so much text in there.
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Re: reading letters in your dreams? [Re: jewunit]
#8323255 - 04/24/08 04:10 PM (5 years, 25 days ago) |
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I knew that before I saw Waking Life 
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Re: reading letters in your dreams? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#8323257 - 04/24/08 04:11 PM (5 years, 25 days ago) |
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Me too 
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Madtowntripper said:
It's common knowledge that Jewunit is an umemployed drain on society, supposedly attending some university that nobodies ever heard of.
He may in fact, be a literal bum, only able to make himself known to us here by occasionally stopping into dark internet cafes to make a few quick, frantic posts before the owners force him to leave because of the stench of rotting vegetables and desperation wafting forth from his pores.
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Re: reading letters in your dreams? [Re: b0red5tiff]
#8323266 - 04/24/08 04:16 PM (5 years, 25 days ago) |
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b0red5tiff said:
so WhiskeyClone, do you think it's worth the effort to try and make sense of the words or are they perpetuating to the point of nonsense? like with every thought they change because they ARE thoughts? i feel like if i strain my eyes enough they become more stable and that inside one sentence there is also one book, because there's so much text in there.
I suspect any words that appear in your dream are direct manifestations of verbal thoughts occurring in your head. Like any thought, they may or may not be meaningful or significant. In a lucid dream I'm walking around with a playground sort of mentality, so I do try to read things, but I cannot remember ever having read anything notable. It is not very often I find myself reading in a dream.
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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man. For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire. Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.
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b0red5tiff
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Re: reading letters in your dreams? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#8323350 - 04/24/08 04:45 PM (5 years, 25 days ago) |
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i'm taking the position that they are significant, like messages from entities or my subconscious or something like that and see where it takes me. besides this i've never had any experience in lucid dreaming.
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b0red5tiff
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Re: reading letters in your dreams? [Re: b0red5tiff]
#8325828 - 04/25/08 04:20 AM (5 years, 25 days ago) |
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tonight i read right before going to sleep in hopes to see letters again but i saw this: i was on a small bridge with albert hofmann. he had a suit on and we were talking. i was asking him how he liked being in my dream, like a reporter asking a foreign person how they liked visiting this country. hofmann didn't answer half the questions because he was thinking of something else. he also said something to me that seemed important but i didn't understand. then suddenly albert jumps into the dark waters of the river under the bridge, comes out, climbs up the hill and says he's feeling terribly hot and jumps right into the river again.
he doesn't come out. then on the other side of the bridge i meet a young woman. she seems to be connected with hofmann but i don't know her name. she has a mysterious smile on her face, a holy smile. she is telepathic. we talk and she says there is nothing to be afraid of. i ask her if she's telepathic and can i read minds too, she smiles to me like to an infant and says maybe, but not now. we talk some more and other people come from far away to see her. then an old car stops at the end of the bridge and dark figures sit and wait in it. i know they're after the young woman. they release a hound dog to retrieve her, she whispers to the dog and it stops growling and waves its tail and becomes friendly. everyone whispers that she's a witch. then the woman jumps into the water.
then i woke up and wrote this as best as i can remember 
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Re: reading letters in your dreams? [Re: b0red5tiff]
#8325857 - 04/25/08 04:26 AM (5 years, 25 days ago) |
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I guess I'm the odd man out on this one. People always said that it's impossible to read in your dreams, etc. but I've always been able to.
Text never changes in form or in essence of the literature. It's always really intriguing Romantic-era or Neoclassical poetry (If I'm lucky, fiction). One of my latest short stories that I, well, "stole" from my dream got published.
As far as math goes, I sometimes get equations flying all over the place but I can't make heads or tails of what's going on or where they're coming from. Then again, I can't make any sense of them when I'm awake either. 
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Re: reading letters in your dreams? [Re: Dystopia]
#8327880 - 04/25/08 07:50 PM (5 years, 24 days ago) |
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I spoke too quickly earlier. I just woke up from a little nap in which I dreamed I was reading web pages on my laptop. The text was perfectly clear. Not just a line or two either but whole message board threads. Well not whole threads but, multiple back and forth posts. I'm sure it's related to spending the whole day at work browsing the web.
When I first awoke I could also remember having dreams in the past where I have read things. I thought it seemed like I had before but not clearly recalling the individual dreams assumed I was simply understanding in my dream something written without actually reading it.
This time I was paying attention though. I remembered this thread in the dream and realized that I was dreaming and reading at that very moment. I woke up briefly when I realized that I was dreaming. I then dozed back off and read some more. lol
The text in my dream did not change but I did keep continuously reading without attempting rereading. It didn't occur to me to experiment as I was dreaming after all and didn't know it except for that brief moment that I woke up from. I should have made more effort at remembering what it was that I read but by the time I had awoken enough to think about that it was already fading from memory.
I can still remember seeing the text and what it looked like but I can not read it from memory and apparently what I was reading wasn't significant enough to be memorable on it's on. I do recall that I found it humorous so obviously it wasn't serious or important. The text in my dream was much larger than it normally appears on my computer.
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I too have experienced this, almost 4-5 times a week.
Everybody needs to read James Joyce's Finnegans Wake. It's my opinion that he was able to replicate this phenomenon onto paper.
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According to Richard Ellman, Joyce once informed a friend: "He conceived of his book as the dream of old Finn, lying in death beside the river Liffey and watching the history of Ireland and the world -- past and future -- flow through his mind like flotsam on the river of life."
Don't try to make sense of it, just try to read it.
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Bygmester Finnegan, of the Stuttering Hand, freemen's maurer, lived in the broadest way immarginable in his rushlit toofarback for messuages before joshuan judges had given us numbers or Helviticus committed deuteronomy (one yeastyday he sternely struxk his tete in a tub for to watsch the future of his fates but ere he swiftly stook it out again, by the might of moses, the very water was eviparated and all the guenneses had met their exodus so that ought to show you what a pentschanjeuchy chap he was!) and during mighty odd years this man of hod, cement and edifices in Toper's Thorp piled buildung supra buildung pon the banks for the livers by the Soangso.
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