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 Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: dill705]
#8330011 - 04/26/08 10:22 AM |
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i wouldn't drink beer in class
i wouldnt ask anyone to serve beer or anything but if it happened i wouldnt care, or have any authority to make it leave.
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: anyone420]
#8330336 - 04/26/08 12:06 PM |
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The status of alcohol should be left as it is.
Maybe allow beer and wine to be sold to 18 year olds, but distilled alcohol should remain legal only to those who have turned 21.
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: fapjack]
#8330432 - 04/26/08 12:38 PM |
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Any drug that causes repeated and common problems when used, (stealing, any form of irresponsible crime, public disruption on large scales, disorderly conduct in general.) like cocaine, crack, meth, PCP, heroin.. Generally the self destructive drugs. Legal drugs that have proven to cause virtually no problems should be fine, like marijuana, mushrooms, responsible doses of LSD, salvia. Generally drugs that don't cause heavy addiction problems seem to be next to harmless to society.
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: dill705]
#8330553 - 04/26/08 01:15 PM |
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I think that the key rule to follow here is if you're old enough to sign up to fight and perhaps die for your country, you should have earned full rights to fuck your brain up in other ways as well.
No. This is assuming that every 18 year old is going to war. Since you're claiming that if you go to war you should be able to do drugs how about this, when you go to war i'll give you some drugs.
EDIT: To anyone420 what the fuck is wrong with your head? Why are you insisting that 5 year olds she have access to lets say heroin if they want it, despite the fact that they are not old enough to make that decision and their brain has not even fully developed. Please do not give me this "superior" bullshit argument. I don't understand how you can possibly argue that their brains are not developed yet. There is a massive amount of structural and functional brain developments going on and to say that they can make these decisions is entirely bullshit because people do not develop a sense of "If i do X now, X will affect my future by ______" until they're at least 18.
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You're a stupid hippie. That's my point.
Edited by learningtofly (04/26/08 01:20 PM)
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: learningtofly]
#8330640 - 04/26/08 01:46 PM |
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because people do not develop a sense of "If i do X now, X will affect my future by ______" until they're at least 18.
what do you mean? most kids know that if they smoke weed their brains will bleed and they will die 
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: learningtofly]
#8330656 - 04/26/08 01:51 PM |
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To anyone420 what the fuck is wrong with your head? Why are you insisting that 5 year olds she have access to lets say heroin if they want it, despite the fact that they are not old enough to make that decision and their brain has not even fully developed. Please do not give me this "superior" bullshit argument. I don't understand how you can possibly argue that their brains are not developed yet. There is a massive amount of structural and functional brain developments going on and to say that they can make these decisions is entirely bullshit because people do not develop a sense of "If i do X now, X will affect my future by ______" until they're at least 18.
QFT!
Drugs will ALWAYS have some type of restriction on them, primarily age restrictions.
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: LeperFace]
#8331258 - 04/26/08 04:31 PM |
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Any drug that causes repeated and common problems when used, (stealing, any form of irresponsible crime, public disruption on large scales, disorderly conduct in general.) like cocaine, crack, meth, PCP, heroin.. Generally the self destructive drugs. Legal drugs that have proven to cause virtually no problems should be fine, like marijuana, mushrooms, responsible doses of LSD, salvia. Generally drugs that don't cause heavy addiction problems seem to be next to harmless to society.
I used to know a few people that used coke only on friday and saturday night, I also knew quite a few people that couldn't stop after the first line.
Just because you or me don't have the willpower to stop or use something "on occassion", doesn't mean it's like that for everyone.
Read the title under my name, if you can't read latin, translate it, please.
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http://www.paulhager.org/libertarian/drug_con.html
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: The Cypher]
#8332533 - 04/26/08 10:24 PM |
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niteowl said:
And you think alcohol should be served in schools?
and it's of no loss to the people who actually want to study and work hard to learn. If you've made it clear that you would prefer to be intoxicated than learn, then go for it.
Laissez-faire is the way to go when it comes to what people should be allowed to put in their own bodies.
It is of consequence when we the tax payer have to make up for their short comings in education and lack of responsibility.
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: lqdtrance]
#8332558 - 04/26/08 10:31 PM |
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To be fair there is a difference between having a beer in public and being drunk in public.
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: niteowl]
#8332605 - 04/26/08 10:49 PM |
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To anyone420 what the fuck is wrong with your head? Why are you insisting that 5 year olds she have access to lets say heroin if they want it, despite the fact that they are not old enough to make that decision and their brain has not even fully developed. Please do not give me this "superior" bullshit argument. I don't understand how you can possibly argue that their brains are not developed yet. There is a massive amount of structural and functional brain developments going on and to say that they can make these decisions is entirely bullshit because people do not develop a sense of "If i do X now, X will affect my future by ______" until they're at least 18.
QFT!
Drugs will ALWAYS have some type of restriction on them, primarily age restrictions.
way to misconstrue his argument to a false dichotomy.
Saying government shouldn't put people in jail for doing x is not the same thing as saying government should allow access to x.
You can't go to the store and buy prozac, yet it isn't a crime to posses it in most states.
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: johnm214]
#8332616 - 04/26/08 10:53 PM |
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pretty sure you can be arrested for having med's not in your name
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#8332624 - 04/26/08 10:58 PM |
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Yes you can be arrested for having prozac that was not precribed to you.
Possession of a legend drug without prescription is a felony in many states.
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The thesis that I want to advance today is that the drug war and the laws that prohibit the private consumption of certain drugs are unconstitutional. Prohibition laws, themselves, violate every tenet of limited government that is embodied in our Constitution.
http://www.paulhager.org/libertarian/drug_con.html
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: Chemy]
#8332725 - 04/26/08 11:28 PM |
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Chemy said:
Yes you can be arrested for having prozac that was not precribed to you.
Possession of a legend drug without prescription is a felony in many states.
wow, you sure?
I tried to find a statute like that in my state and couldn't. As far as I know its all cool unless its scheduled or has another prohibition.
The prescription laws in my state only deal w/ distribution and such.
So in florida its a felony to have amoxicillan or lithium carbonate or something?
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: johnm214]
#8332839 - 04/27/08 12:10 AM |
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499.0052 Trafficking in contraband legend drugs.--A person who knowingly sells, purchases, manufactures, delivers, or brings into this state, or who is knowingly in actual or constructive possession of any amount of contraband legend drugs valued at $25,000 or more commits a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
First degree felony in Florida is a 30 year max.
I knew someone who was charged with possession of a legend drug for having a bottle of prescription 800mg ibuprofens.
The case was nolle presequi after about 2 weeks and he was released. I can't find the statute though only the statute against trafficking.
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The thesis that I want to advance today is that the drug war and the laws that prohibit the private consumption of certain drugs are unconstitutional. Prohibition laws, themselves, violate every tenet of limited government that is embodied in our Constitution.
http://www.paulhager.org/libertarian/drug_con.html
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: johnm214]
#8333024 - 04/27/08 01:31 AM |
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To anyone420 what the fuck is wrong with your head? Why are you insisting that 5 year olds she have access to lets say heroin if they want it, despite the fact that they are not old enough to make that decision and their brain has not even fully developed. Please do not give me this "superior" bullshit argument. I don't understand how you can possibly argue that their brains are not developed yet. There is a massive amount of structural and functional brain developments going on and to say that they can make these decisions is entirely bullshit because people do not develop a sense of "If i do X now, X will affect my future by ______" until they're at least 18.
QFT!
Drugs will ALWAYS have some type of restriction on them, primarily age restrictions.
way to misconstrue his argument to a false dichotomy.
Saying government shouldn't put people in jail for doing x is not the same thing as saying government should allow access to x.
You can't go to the store and buy prozac, yet it isn't a crime to posses it in most states.
I was talking about how a child has not developed their frontal lobe. How the hell did you get that from what I said?
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: johnm214]
#8333125 - 04/27/08 02:31 AM |
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johnm214 said:
wow, you sure?
I tried to find a statute like that in my state and couldn't. As far as I know its all cool unless its scheduled or has another prohibition.
The prescription laws in my state only deal w/ distribution and such.
So in florida its a felony to have amoxicillan or lithium carbonate or something?
Prescription drugs are controlled substances. Having a prescription drug w/out the prescription is illegal. In any state.
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: learningtofly]
#8333162 - 04/27/08 02:55 AM |
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learningtofly said:
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johnm214 said:
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niteowl said:
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To anyone420 what the fuck is wrong with your head? Why are you insisting that 5 year olds she have access to lets say heroin if they want it, despite the fact that they are not old enough to make that decision and their brain has not even fully developed. Please do not give me this "superior" bullshit argument. I don't understand how you can possibly argue that their brains are not developed yet. There is a massive amount of structural and functional brain developments going on and to say that they can make these decisions is entirely bullshit because people do not develop a sense of "If i do X now, X will affect my future by ______" until they're at least 18.
QFT!
Drugs will ALWAYS have some type of restriction on them, primarily age restrictions.
way to misconstrue his argument to a false dichotomy.
Saying government shouldn't put people in jail for doing x is not the same thing as saying government should allow access to x.
You can't go to the store and buy prozac, yet it isn't a crime to posses it in most states.
I was talking about how a child has not developed their frontal lobe. How the hell did you get that from what I said?
I took it to be an endorsement of the status quo w/ regards to alcohol, in which people under that age face jail time for breaking the rule, which isn't helpful. If you weren't talking about this, I appologize. What would be your mechanism to enforce age restrictions? Any penalty beyond a small fine as applied to the minor is stupid imo.
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: niteowl]
#8333171 - 04/27/08 03:01 AM |
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niteowl said:
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wow, you sure?
I tried to find a statute like that in my state and couldn't. As far as I know its all cool unless its scheduled or has another prohibition.
The prescription laws in my state only deal w/ distribution and such.
So in florida its a felony to have amoxicillan or lithium carbonate or something?
Prescription drugs are controlled substances. Having a prescription drug w/out the prescription is illegal. In any state.
This is not true. For example, find me the statute in Ohio that prohibits possesion of prescription drug.
You're saying I can be sent to jail for having lithium carbonate in a pile by my kiln? Or only when that substance is in a pill? What are you saying?
Second, no, controlled substances are not inclusive of all prescription drugs in any state I'm aware of, and certainly not at the federal level.
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Chemy, I'd be interested to see the law regarding the possesion of the prescription drug. As I said, I'm pretty sure its not that way in my state, and in most states. In my state, for example, the law only applies to those distributing the drug, not to the possessor.
Not that drug laws have ever made sense, but the LiCo3 example as in the above is one of the practical absurdities of such a rule criminalizing prescription drug possession.
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: johnm214]
#8333187 - 04/27/08 03:10 AM |
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If I have a Rx for some Xanax and give you some, I just broke the law, by distributing a controlled substance.
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: niteowl]
#8333189 - 04/27/08 03:13 AM |
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Prescription Drug Abuse in Ohio
Prescription drug abuse and pharmaceutical diversion continues to be a significant problem throughout Ohio . Prescription drugs are readily obtained illegally in most areas of Ohio . Some of the brand names of commonly diverted prescription drugs include Oxycontin ® , Vicodin ® , Percocet ® , Tylenol with Codeine No. 3, Valium ® , and Xanax ® . Oxycontin ® is particularly popular in southern Ohio where authorities believe it's been responsible for at least 15 deaths since 1999. Since this April, Cincinnati Drug and Poison Information Center has received over 180 calls related to the release of generic Oxycontin ® 80mg tablets.
Many young people mistakenly believe abusing prescription medications is not as dangerous as abusing “illegal drugs.” In truth, whether our children are getting these medications from a drug dealer, a classmate, or a family member's medicine cabinet, the consequences of misusing and abusing prescription medications may be life threatening.
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