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 Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: THEBats]
#8312691 - 04/21/08 11:29 PM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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Actually methamphetamine and cocaine aren't synthetics. Methamphetamine is produced by a few species of accaia and cocaine is produce by the coca plant.
Yeah, but cocaine has to be extracted from the coca plant. And I'm pretty sure no one doing meth gets theirs from the accaia tree.
no. actually natives chew coca leaves with an alkaline substance to obtain a buzz similar to a cup of well caffeinated coffee.
Mmmhmm, indeed they do. But I'm not talking about natives obtaining something akin to a caffeine buzz. I'm talking about people snorting pure (ha) cocaine.
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: allhallows]
#8312692 - 04/21/08 11:29 PM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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Tobacco.
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: Liquidkick]
#8312707 - 04/21/08 11:33 PM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: dill705]
#8312825 - 04/22/08 12:08 AM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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I think i kind of figuered out how the government works, as our population grows, to stimulate the economy we write laws to make things illegal and then we need more people to inforce it which creates jobs. Like right now they are setting up the internet this way, first they let you do w/e the hell you wanted on the net, and now we are starting to see ad's on tv for "internet security jobs"
you can kid yourselves about things becoming legal, but all i see is more and more things becoming illegal. Which do i feel should be legal? Well I think the problem with making something legal is how it will effect the whole system. I used to think ok drugs should be personal choice as it really only affects the user. However now im starting to think it actually affects everyone! All the other rules would have to be rewritten for one(insurance for example), then all the lawsuits over unfair employment..it just trickles down and im sure thats only one part of the problem.
Im just saying im starting to think its a much bigger issue/or more involved than most people think at first glance.
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#8312855 - 04/22/08 12:23 AM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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Asking what drugs we think should remain illegal isn't very interesting... you're gonna get the people who say meth, crack, and heroin should be illegalized, and you're gonna get the people who say legalize everything.
The far more interesting question, IMO, is whether if we legalize drugs (could be just mary-jane, for argument's sake, or any subset of the available narcotopia), should they be legalized for minors as well?
After all, why should one day you be penalized under full force of law for taking a drag on a joint, and the next day you get away with it scott-free? That arbitrary age of majority/drinking age has always bothered me. Or should we have it on the basis of parental consent, like some countries do for alcohol?
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: The Cypher]
#8313533 - 04/22/08 07:56 AM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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Actually methamphetamine and cocaine aren't synthetics. Methamphetamine is produced by a few species of accaia and cocaine is produce by the coca plant.
o_O. I didn't know that methamphetamine was produced naturally... sources?
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/pdf/acacia.rigidula.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia_rigidula
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia_berlandieri
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine#Natural_occurrence
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: Liquidkick]
#8313539 - 04/22/08 08:00 AM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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Tobacco.
Nice 1, being illegal n all 
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: allhallows]
#8313584 - 04/22/08 08:23 AM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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Technically, no drugs should be illegal.
In practice, I would like to see Thalidomide illegal for recreational use.
Thalidomide is a sedative, which has no recreational benefit over other sedatives, in fact it is less good than say secobarbital.
If a woman who is a few weeks pregnant however takes ONE tablet, the result may be a deformed baby, such as with shortened or flipperlike limbs, no ears or eyes. In addition to that the semen of s guy who uses Thalidomide is suspect also, and may give rise to birth defects in the baby conceived with it.
This represents unreasonable risk offset by only moderate recreational value, so Thalidomide should not be legal for recreational use.
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#8313590 - 04/22/08 08:27 AM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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Thats kind of a double standard. If there is little recreational use, why would anyone take it in the first place?
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: Dizzwizzle]
#8313592 - 04/22/08 08:27 AM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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legalize it all, starting after you finish reading the last word in this sentence.
to gain the benefits of ending the war on drugs, every single drug must be legal, not just the ones that moralists will kindly allow other human beings to use
if you try to say that certain drugs should be illegal and others shouldn't then your still telling people what to do with their lives at the threat of violence. you still endorse killing people who haven't harmed another person. your still saying that your opinion is greater than everyone else's and that you have the authority to command them what to do.
to me this is a completely black and white issue
all legal
or all illegal ( including prescriptions, alcohol, aspirin, tobacco, everything)
Edited by anyone420 (04/22/08 08:28 AM)
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: fapjack]
#8313618 - 04/22/08 08:41 AM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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Thats kind of a double standard.
How is it a double standard? Would you like 1 Curie portion s of Radium chloride being sold in lead-lined vending machines?
You got to draw the line somewhere, because there are definitely drugs out there that are of unreasonable risk to untrained individuals.
Many people nowadays are just too irresponsible to be given too great freedoms.
Simple example would be sticks of dynamite, fuses and caps. Would you want such things to be sold in your local supermarket? Kids will be torn to shreds playing with the stuff. Angry neighbors will use it to fuck your car up, suicidal people will blow themselves and their appartment up with it. Criminals will commit crime with it, vandals will commit vandalism.
How about opiates with 100.000 doses to a gram. Stuff's more dangerous than nerve gas. Should it be sold by the ounce to just anyone?
Should hard drugs be sold to 12yo when legalization strikes?
You have to draw the line somewhere.
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#8313626 - 04/22/08 08:47 AM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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You're comparing damage to ones self to damage to the population as a whole. I'm not arguing that, but if someone wants to fuck their body up by drinking sodium hydroxide mixed with grape juice, I really don't have a problem with that. If they legalize LSD, etorphine, or carfentanil you'd be able to dose a lot of people and with the opioids, kill a whole lot of people. Of course there has to be safe guards, you shouldn't be able to purchase pure etorphine, LSD, or carfentanil because its too big of a risk to the population as a whole. I don't see how that relates to keeping some drug that causes birth defects illegal. Heavy alcohol use does that also.
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: fapjack]
#8313664 - 04/22/08 09:03 AM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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wiccan you are speaking in a double standard
your saying other people are inferior to you, and that they should not have the freedom of choice because you are superior.
free market
any time, any where, to any one.
plain and simple
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: fapjack]
#8313729 - 04/22/08 09:34 AM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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heroin, crack. thats all
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: madradrox]
#8313733 - 04/22/08 09:35 AM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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so i can do coke and morphine but not heroin and crack in your world?
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#8313737 - 04/22/08 09:37 AM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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As much as I want my freedom, I am thinking certain addictive, life ruining drugs should be illegal to "attempt" to keep irresponsible users from hitting rock bottom and "obtaining" the drugs via the last resort (theft and violence), which does happen often from addiction to harder drugs.
Theft to pay for drugs only happens because the drugs are artificially expensive. Most harms from drug abuse come from the war on drugs, not the drugs themselves.
Many people in authority know this, and for the most part they don't care.
The war on drugs is not about keeping people safe, it is about persecuting "those" other, scary people who use psychedelics and non-approved substances, and funneling more power to the government. Legalizing drugs would do neither of those things, which is why they have not legalized anything. Keeping people safe is just an excuse for people in power to do whatever they want.
omg some sense.
And what is the deal w/ people saying only "medical" opioids should be legal? What is the difference? Any opioid could be used medically.
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#8313745 - 04/22/08 09:41 AM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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Thats kind of a double standard.
How is it a double standard? Would you like 1 Curie portion s of Radium chloride being sold in lead-lined vending machines?
You got to draw the line somewhere, because there are definitely drugs out there that are of unreasonable risk to untrained individuals.
Many people nowadays are just too irresponsible to be given too great freedoms.
Simple example would be sticks of dynamite, fuses and caps. Would you want such things to be sold in your local supermarket? Kids will be torn to shreds playing with the stuff. Angry neighbors will use it to fuck your car up, suicidal people will blow themselves and their appartment up with it. Criminals will commit crime with it, vandals will commit vandalism.
How about opiates with 100.000 doses to a gram. Stuff's more dangerous than nerve gas. Should it be sold by the ounce to just anyone?
Should hard drugs be sold to 12yo when legalization strikes?
You have to draw the line somewhere.
no, drugs for 18 or 21 plus.
Only drugs that are recreational, construed gereously.
Adequate dosage froms so poisoning is reduced, i.e. impure substances sold escept w/ special procedures, and possibly additional factors like taste.
Any drug w/ very small dosage, like LSD, fentanyl, et cet, could be compounded to a 250mg tablet and have strongly tasting/colored additives, so you know you're dosing. This would stop some poisonings /rapes.
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: johnm214]
#8313751 - 04/22/08 09:44 AM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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why are people magically endowed with the ability to do something they want to do by means of an abstract human invention for telling time?
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: anyone420]
#8313795 - 04/22/08 10:05 AM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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anyone420 said:
why are people magically endowed with the ability to do something they want to do by means of an abstract human invention for telling time?
I suppose the argument could be made that under certain ages your body and mind are still developing and outside chemical influences could alter the development.
Edited by THEBats (04/22/08 10:06 AM)
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: THEBats]
#8313810 - 04/22/08 10:09 AM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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couldn't i argue that the brain is always developing?
but anyway, putting the science aside..
how do you justify preventing others from doing what they want to their own body with no victim?
there is no moral justification, any way you look at it, you are initiating force on other human being
force is force man, telling someone not to do something, putting them in a 6x6 jail cell, and stabbing them in the neck with an ice pick is still force
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