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 THEBats
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 Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: fapjack]
#8312066 - 04/21/08 08:25 PM |
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fapjack said:
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niteowl said:
First, all naturally occurring drugs (MJ, shrooms, cacti....) should be instantly legal.
Second, all synthetic or synthesized drugs (cocaine, heroine, meth, LSD....) should be strongly regulated. Not illegal.
Actually methamphetamine and cocaine aren't synthetics. Methamphetamine is produced by a few species of accaia and cocaine is produce by the coca plant.
and further more both morphine and codeine are completely natural but both are highly addictive opiates...
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 Chemy
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: fapjack]
#8312087 - 04/21/08 08:29 PM |
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If someone does crack/meth/heroin in their home, they work for their money, they don't go out into public high (includes not driving high).
Is equal to:
Someone smoking a joint, taking a tab of acid, consuming shrooms, this person works for their money, they do not drive or go into public high.
Is equal to:
Me, I drink whiskey in the comfort of my home, I live off savings, I do not drive or go into public intoxicated.
For those that say "my drug is better than *******" You are delirious.
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The thesis that I want to advance today is that the drug war and the laws that prohibit the private consumption of certain drugs are unconstitutional. Prohibition laws, themselves, violate every tenet of limited government that is embodied in our Constitution.
http://www.paulhager.org/libertarian/drug_con.html
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: allhallows]
#8312130 - 04/21/08 08:38 PM |
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All drugs should be completely legal and unregulated except maybe for purity. If we did that, all the gangs would go out of business and all the drug addicts would be dead within a few months. America would be much better off. We would look back on it as the self-genocide of the stupid.
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#8312135 - 04/21/08 08:40 PM |
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thedefone
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: Chemy]
#8312136 - 04/21/08 08:40 PM |
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Chemy said:
OK, realistically, crack and heroin and meth should be legalized, only because the Government should not babysit it's citizens.
Realistically, the government is already babysitting us in every other facet of life. I don't want to wear a seatbelt.. who will it hurt besides me? Besides the strain on EMS, fire, and law enforcement cleaning your brains off of the pavement and not doing something else, or requiring more services costing the taxpayer money? No one I guess. Same goes with drug laws..
Anyway, legalize everything but Coke, Heavy Opiates, PCP, and Meth.
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niteowl
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: THEBats]
#8312183 - 04/21/08 08:49 PM |
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...and further more both morphine and codeine are completely natural but both are highly addictive opiates...
Yes they are natural, but have to be synthesized from the plant to get the drug.
Unlike MJ or shrooms.
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Chemy
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: thedefone]
#8312184 - 04/21/08 08:50 PM |
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thedefone said:
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Chemy said:
OK, realistically, crack and heroin and meth should be legalized, only because the Government should not babysit it's citizens.
Realistically, the government is already babysitting us in every other facet of life. I don't want to wear a seatbelt.. who will it hurt besides me? Besides the strain on EMS, fire, and law enforcement cleaning your brains off of the pavement and not doing something else, or requiring more services costing the taxpayer money? No one I guess. Same goes with drug laws..
You are right.
So LSD and shrooms should remain illegal so the first responders don't have to clean up brains from sidewalks when trippers jump from tall buildings thinking they can fly.
It happens, but I guess we need prohibition to protect people from these drugs.
Let's keep the hard drugs illegal so punk ass gang bangers can make millions on a weekly basis.
Yeah, since prohibition works, I mean keeping drugs illegal is the intelligent thing to do.
Oh wait, it's not, it's the retarded thing to do to let gang banging punks make millions from prohibition.
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The thesis that I want to advance today is that the drug war and the laws that prohibit the private consumption of certain drugs are unconstitutional. Prohibition laws, themselves, violate every tenet of limited government that is embodied in our Constitution.
http://www.paulhager.org/libertarian/drug_con.html
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: niteowl]
#8312192 - 04/21/08 08:53 PM |
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You don't synthesize morphine from opium, you extract it. One fun fact though, most of the codeine around the world is actually synthesized from morphine. They actually turn a perfectly good drug into a shitty drug. This is because opium has a very small amount of codeine, and because more codeine is sold worldwide than morphine.
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: Chemy]
#8312196 - 04/21/08 08:54 PM |
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Legalize it. God knows drunk drivers never kill people.
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Chemy
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: thedefone]
#8312208 - 04/21/08 08:58 PM |
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thedefone said:
Legalize it. God knows drunk drivers never kill people.
All I do is drink and I never drink and drive.
People caught drunk driving should be sentenced to mandatory minimum 25 years first offense, life on the second offense.
Actually, that should apply to driving while intoxicated on any substance.
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The thesis that I want to advance today is that the drug war and the laws that prohibit the private consumption of certain drugs are unconstitutional. Prohibition laws, themselves, violate every tenet of limited government that is embodied in our Constitution.
http://www.paulhager.org/libertarian/drug_con.html
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: Chemy]
#8312304 - 04/21/08 09:31 PM |
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Philosophically, I believe that I should be able to put whatever I want in my body without legal penalty. Obviously that includes being responsible with my use.
Realistically, I know that drugs come with a set of problems. Not everybody is responsible, and addiction is never good for society. China's first attempts to control Opium were not a conspiracy to rob people of their rights, they were reactions to real problems. It hasn't changed.
I would say to legalize and control the so called "soft" drugs and heavily regulate the "hard" ones. The problem lies in making a distinction. We also know that the nature of these substances doesn't necessarily take well to heavy regulation, giving heroin "licenses" only to successful people with jobs and social responsibility is a fantasy that won't translate into reality.
I would say there are certainly more desirable alternatives to what we have now, but I would also say that there is progress on that front, marijuana decriminalization might not happen tommorow, but it's not going away. In Canada and places in Europe safe injection clinics and prescription grade heroin is availible to addicts. Even methadone clinics and drug courts can be seen as a step in the right direction. I must insert the caveat that these are mere beacons of light and are NOT the overriding ideology.
I don't think you can make a moral difference between beer or meth. I think you should be able to make your own decisions. I do think that drug use in society should be regulated for the benefit of the community. I firmly believe that the issue is being approached in a preposterous manner and that more educated and thoughtful deliberation could invoke much more "ideal" solutions.
Holy shit that was long. If you made it this far, thanks for listening. 
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: allhallows]
#8312321 - 04/21/08 09:40 PM |
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allhallows said:
But, what about the drugs that cause addicts to steal and commit crimes just to get their next fix?... I am thinking certain addictive, life ruining drugs should be illegal to "attempt" to keep irresponsible users from hitting rock bottom and "obtaining" the drugs via the last resort (theft and violence), which does happen often from addiction to harder drugs.
I know plenty of people who will say their lives have been "ruined" by pot or psychedelics. I also have met people who would resort to theft or violence for money to buy pot.
Plus, if hard drugs like heroin were legal and cheaply availabe, people wouldn't have to "commit crimes just to get their next fix".
Nuff said.
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: DragonChaser]
#8312339 - 04/21/08 09:45 PM |
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What is the logic behind Naturals legal and synthetics not/regulated?
Natural does not mean safe/better by any means...
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: fapjack]
#8312353 - 04/21/08 09:49 PM |
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fapjack said:
Actually methamphetamine and cocaine aren't synthetics. Methamphetamine is produced by a few species of accaia and cocaine is produce by the coca plant.
Yeah, but cocaine has to be extracted from the coca plant. And I'm pretty sure no one doing meth gets theirs from the accaia tree.
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THEBats
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: wildchild68]
#8312446 - 04/21/08 10:15 PM |
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wildchild68 said:
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fapjack said:
Actually methamphetamine and cocaine aren't synthetics. Methamphetamine is produced by a few species of accaia and cocaine is produce by the coca plant.
Yeah, but cocaine has to be extracted from the coca plant. And I'm pretty sure no one doing meth gets theirs from the accaia tree.
no. actually natives chew coca leaves with an alkaline substance to obtain a buzz similar to a cup of well caffeinated coffee.
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: THEBats]
#8312497 - 04/21/08 10:27 PM |
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I'm for all drugs being legal. I have the sense to not touch Heroin or Meth in my life. I am scared of how good it would feel. PCP just scares me. Everything else, Including and Especially LSD, should be legalized.
I have a feeling that once the generation of people who grew up during the Digital Age start taking Government positions, Cannabis and possibly some Psychs will be legalized. There's no reason for these substances to be illegal. They don't harm anyone with half a brain.
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The Cypher
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: fapjack]
#8312561 - 04/21/08 10:52 PM |
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fapjack said:
Actually methamphetamine and cocaine aren't synthetics. Methamphetamine is produced by a few species of accaia and cocaine is produce by the coca plant.
o_O. I didn't know that methamphetamine was produced naturally... sources?
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: learningtofly]
#8312609 - 04/21/08 11:08 PM |
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learningtofly said:
What is the logic behind Naturals legal and synthetics not/regulated?
Natural does not mean safe/better by any means...
No way! I'm enjoying a cool refreshing hemlock smoothie right now! 
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: allhallows]
#8312676 - 04/21/08 11:25 PM |
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As much as I want my freedom, I am thinking certain addictive, life ruining drugs should be illegal to "attempt" to keep irresponsible users from hitting rock bottom and "obtaining" the drugs via the last resort (theft and violence), which does happen often from addiction to harder drugs.
Theft to pay for drugs only happens because the drugs are artificially expensive. Most harms from drug abuse come from the war on drugs, not the drugs themselves.
Many people in authority know this, and for the most part they don't care.
The war on drugs is not about keeping people safe, it is about persecuting "those" other, scary people who use psychedelics and non-approved substances, and funneling more power to the government. Legalizing drugs would do neither of those things, which is why they have not legalized anything. Keeping people safe is just an excuse for people in power to do whatever they want.
It is human nature to keep certain people down, that is why racism is so popular around the world. As racism is not politically acceptable anymore, the drug war is a great replacement for racism that even comes with its own self-legitimizing excuse. Save the children! (by putting them in prison)
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: it stars saddam]
#8312681 - 04/21/08 11:27 PM |
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it stars saddam said:
In my opinion, all drugs should be legal and available to the public. I feel that the individual should have the right to choose for himself whether or not to use chemicals to alter his consciousness or destroy himself.
nuff said.
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It's funny how when you're talking about testing the first nuclear weapon, which some scientists thought could possibly set off a chain reaction that would burn off our entire atmosphere and leave a lifeless barren rock floating in space, the risk is justified. But if a few extra people might get stoned it's just too dangerous to try.
-FF
We're mired in an unnecessary and never-ending war, we have a sharp increase in unemployment numbers, Bernanke saying publically that a recession is very possible, an upcoming election with a dead man, a white black man, and a power hungry bitch as the candidates, the falling of the dollar, a lack of competitive advantage in almost any field of the economy, an inelastic reliance to a commodity whose price continues to grow to record numbers, and poor relations with a great deal of the countries on the planet.
It sounds to me like we have some things to clean up.
-Redstorm
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