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johnm214

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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: niteowl]
#8333199 - 04/27/08 03:19 AM (4 months, 18 hours ago)

that's cuz xanax is a controlled substance, and because you may not sell prescription drugs

In my scenario, find something saying prozac or LiCO3 is forbidden to be possesed.

It'd be interesting to know, especially since I know a professor w/ a jar of both in his lab

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niteowl
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: johnm214]
#8333203 - 04/27/08 03:22 AM (4 months, 18 hours ago)

Bottom line, if you don't have a prescription for a drug, and get caught with it, you're probably gonna get a fine or jail time.

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johnm214

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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: niteowl]
#8333207 - 04/27/08 03:24 AM (4 months, 18 hours ago)

that's the question

at least in my state, and I believe at federal law, that is not the case, apparently

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niteowl
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: johnm214]
#8333230 - 04/27/08 03:49 AM (4 months, 17 hours ago)

Eighteen Charged with Racketeering in Internet Drug Distribution Network

WASHINGTON – A federal grand jury in San Diego has indicted 18 individuals on racketeering and related charges for allegedly operating an Internet business that generated more than $126 million in gross revenues from the illegal sale of prescription pharmaceuticals, Assistant Attorney General Alice S. Fisher of the Criminal Division and U.S. Attorney Karen P. Hewitt for the Southern District of California announced today.

The 313-count indictment, returned on July 27, 2007 and unsealed today, charged 18 individuals with operating an online pharmaceutical distribution network known as Affpower throughout the United States and abroad. Defendants included: three physicians; two pharmacists and one pharmacy operator; an administrator and manager; two recruiters of physicians and pharmacies; a credit card processor; and eight affiliate website operators. From August 2004 through June 2006, the Affpower enterprise allegedly received over 1 million Internet orders for controlled and non-controlled prescription pharmaceuticals from customers in all 50 states, and generated in excess of $126 million in gross revenue.

The defendants were charged variously with racketeering and conspiracy to commit racketeering; distribution and dispensing of controlled substances and conspiracy to distribute and dispense controlled substances; mail and wire fraud, and conspiracy to commit mail and wire fraud; conspiracy to commit money laundering; and conspiracy to dispense and dispensing of misbranded drugs with the intent to defraud and mislead.

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I'm pretty sure that it is a federal crime to give/sell your prescription drugs to someone who does not have said prescription.

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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: fapjack]
#8333261 - 04/27/08 04:24 AM (4 months, 17 hours ago)

Sadly enough I have seen humans in this world that are so fucking dumb and dangerous when sober they should not use or be able to posess anything even as harmless as weed. If you put something as powerful and as conscience altering a LSD, shrooms or even more dangerous things like Heroin or Cocaine in their hands you get problems that make politicians make drug laws in the first place.

So kill everyone that is highly probable to make dumb moves and suffer from addiction. If you remove the criminal element and legalize all the drugs that can be beneficial to the human growth and mind exploration, then types like us can use them for that innocent reason with no bad association. Then we would not promote the dumbasses and criminals to do drugs in the first place and make it hard for all us normal users who dont do dumb shit just to get them.

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niteowl
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: misterdogman]
#8333267 - 04/27/08 04:28 AM (4 months, 17 hours ago)

Dumb asses and people who are easily addicted are getting drugs now.

Why punish me for having weed or shrooms?

Total legalization (with restrictions) is the only answer.
Then the dumb asses and addicts can get some professional help.

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johnm214

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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: niteowl]
#8333276 - 04/27/08 04:36 AM (4 months, 17 hours ago)

I'm saying possesion of prescription drugs isn't an offense in my state. Those people were selling controlled substances, two differences.

Prescription and controled substance are two different things.

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niteowl
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: johnm214]
#8333286 - 04/27/08 04:45 AM (4 months, 17 hours ago)

No they are not.
Prescription drugs are controlled substances.

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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: niteowl]
#8333287 - 04/27/08 04:46 AM (4 months, 16 hours ago)

Quote:

niteowl said:
Dumb asses and people who are easily addicted are getting drugs now.

Why punish me for having weed or shrooms?

Total legalization (with restrictions) is the only answer.
Then the dumb asses and addicts can get some professional help.

No, I agree, your totally right, why should some addicts problem he needs professional help with affect our adult decision to use some harmless plant and or fungus? It shouldnt, so we should kill the types who abuse and do drugs they will steal kill and die for. Because I for one would not do those retarded and insane things to obtain the simple drugs I use, So im my mind there is a huge difference in us and them and legalizing any drug needs to be really analyzed before jumping in head first because some people will find a way to ruin it for all of us. Just like gum back in school, one retarded kid snuck it in and got it on the carpet 1 time, and then we all had to quit chewing it damn it.

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niteowl
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: niteowl]
#8333288 - 04/27/08 04:47 AM (4 months, 16 hours ago)

unless you have a prescription for them

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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: fapjack]
#8333479 - 04/27/08 08:22 AM (4 months, 13 hours ago)

I have been thinking about this. I wouldn't arrest people for having these drugs, but I would have a catergory of "Fucking dangerous/toxic/long term health repurcussions"

Prozac
Atropine
BZ-25
probably a whole bunch of other SSRI's and "anti" psychotics.

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johnm214

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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: niteowl]
#8333612 - 04/27/08 09:58 AM (4 months, 11 hours ago)

Quote:

niteowl said:
No they are not.
Prescription drugs are controlled substances.

Quote:

(6) The term “controlled substance” means a drug or other substance, or immediate precursor, included in schedule I, II, III, IV, or V of part B of this subchapter. The term does not include distilled spirits, wine, malt beverages, or tobacco, as those terms are defined or used in subtitle E of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986.

21 USC 802

Ohio Revised Code 3719.01

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(C) “Controlled substance” means a drug, compound, mixture, preparation, or substance included in schedule I, II, III, IV, or V.

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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: johnm214]
#8333678 - 04/27/08 10:32 AM (4 months, 11 hours ago)

Johnm214, possessing reagent grade lithium carbonate is much different than possessing lithium carbonate in dosage forms in regards to law.

A legend drug is one that is available to the population by prescription only. Lithium carbonate in dosage form for human consumption is a legend drug, lithium carbonate, tech grade, anyone can buy without a rx.

True, legend drugs are not controlled or scheduled substances.

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The thesis that I want to advance today is that the drug war and the laws that prohibit the private consumption of certain drugs are unconstitutional. Prohibition laws, themselves, violate every tenet of limited government that is embodied in our Constitution.
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mr.bixby
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: dill705]
#8333737 - 04/27/08 11:06 AM (4 months, 10 hours ago)

What is the legal drinking age in many European countries? 16? Being able to see above a bar counter? They don't seem to have much of a problem educationally or with as many drop-outs as the United States has. The only drug that I have a problem with and don't want people who use it around me is meth. Even then I don't think it should be illegal but when some people start getting super paranoid and fighting, stealing, and doing all matter of debauched shit that affects others, it takes away from my live and let live as long as it doesn't hurt others ideology and they should arrest them for that. :shineoff:

And niteowl I do agree with you on the plants and shrooms part.

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niteowl
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: Chemy]
#8333740 - 04/27/08 11:07 AM (4 months, 10 hours ago)

If prescription drugs aren't controlled, then you could get them at your local Wal-Mart pharmacy OTC.

Last time I checked you couldn't get Xanax bars, Lithium Carbonate, Klonipin or a thousand other prescription drugs OTC

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Chemy
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: niteowl]
#8333771 - 04/27/08 11:23 AM (4 months, 10 hours ago)

Quote:

niteowl said:
If prescription drugs aren't controlled, then you could get them at your local Wal-Mart pharmacy OTC.

Last time I checked you couldn't get Xanax bars, Lithium Carbonate, Klonipin or a thousand other prescription drugs OTC

I said legend drugs are not controlled substances, do you know what a controlled substance is?

Look up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_schedule

You can buy lithium carbonate at wal mart without a prescription.

Like I said you can buy a metric ton of lithium carbonate without a rx and have it delivered to your house, as long as it is not a legend drug

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Chemy
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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: mr.bixby]
#8333797 - 04/27/08 11:32 AM (4 months, 10 hours ago)

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mr.bixby said:
What is the legal drinking age in many European countries? 16? Being able to see above a bar counter? They don't seem to have much of a problem educationally or with as many drop-outs as the United States has. The only drug that I have a problem with and don't want people who use it around me is meth. Even then I don't think it should be illegal but when some people start getting super paranoid and fighting, stealing, and doing all matter of debauched shit that affects others, it takes away from my live and let live as long as it doesn't hurt others ideology and they should arrest them for that.
And niteowl I do agree with you on the plants and shrooms part.

You guys are so right on with your plants and fungus being ok and synthetic chemikalz should be illegal, most illegal!!!

List of legal and safe, good for you, plants and fungus according to you guys:
Datura species
Deadly nightshade
Marijuana
Coca species
Papaver Somniferum

Death Cap Amanita
Amanita Virosa

Nasty Toxic Synthetic Chemicals that should be illegal:
LSD
MDMA (ecstacy)

Yep, the DEA should make plants and fungus legal, and all synthetic chemical droogz illegal, thats the safe and intelligent thing to do.

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johnm214

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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: Chemy]
#8333875 - 04/27/08 12:05 PM (4 months, 9 hours ago)

chemy, how do you, or what do you define as, a legend drug, then, if lithium isn't one?

I can understand ibuprofen 200mg not being one, as though its available through prescription, its also available through OTC sale, but for substances w/ uses outside of medicine, I don't think it should matter. a sustance is what it is.

I would imagine the reason you cannot buy prozac in pill form otc is cuz you cannot sell it for consumption without the proper proceudres. But if it were to be sold not for consumption, it would be fine. Course its hard to see how it could have such a use, so likely wouldn't be a problem.

And you can buy pharmaceutical grade drugs through chem suppliers. We did it at a lab I worked at ocasionaly. And we didn't have a DEA license or anything like that, and our state, and indeed the feds, don't make a distinction between research and not in terms of what you can have, its just suspect if you're not a legit research institute if you buy certain things or if you apply for a license.

Again, I think the distinction is the regulations on supplying medicine, if its not a medicine it can be sold, i.e. not intended for such. No matter what, I believe my state and fed allows personal possesion of non controled substances.

So what is a legend drug such that in excludes lico3?

Nightowl, you seem to confuse the plain language meaning and the legal meaning, which is what I was using. Chemy's term is how prescription drugs are refered to generically, and some legend drugs are also controlled substances. State laws also sometimes put further restrictions on drugs as well, even if they're not controlled, i.e. tramadol in some states.

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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: Chemy]
#8333881 - 04/27/08 12:08 PM (4 months, 9 hours ago)

what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal?

Not a single one.

For the good of all of us.
Except the ones who are dead.

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johnm214

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Re: what drugs (if any) do you think should actually remain illegal? [Re: d33p]
#8333926 - 04/27/08 12:30 PM (4 months, 9 hours ago)

gotta love them laissez faire capitalists

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