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 Re: Attention U.S. Voters: Federal Decriminalization of Marijuana! [H.R. 5843] [Re: cool_breeze]
#8496348 - 06/07/08 01:48 PM (4 months, 3 days ago) |
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cool_breeze said:
These bitches are our EMPLOYEES and WE ARE THE MANAGEMENT.
I hear what you're saying cool_breeze, but your points would only stand strong in a true democracy. As the United States currently operates, we are a republic, and as such we have delegated the responsibility and oversight to our government officials in making and defining our laws. We are no longer the management, we have designated the government as the management. While I may not wish this to be the case, it plainly is, and we must work within the framework given to us in order to positively affect change. There is one other opportunity, and that is revolution. It does not seem feasible at the current time however, to stage a forceful revolution against our existing government. If our government continues to act within its own interests and not the interests of the people it governs, that time may come before us. But it's not here yet.
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All I'm saying is we don't need permission for anything, the government does, and it takes a delusional society to believe they have any power or control over us. They have guns and a brainwashed military who will mostly have no problem fighting civilians if they are ordered to...
You have aptly stated the reason why government has control over us. Fact being, they are the ones who control the armed forces and the most technologically advanced weapons. If you think we don't need permission to do anything, I'd like to see what happens when you walk into a conservative police precinct and spark up a doob, naked, while twirling your pistol in the other hand. If you think you're going to get away with that, or you honestly believe that the public will come to your aid when you are arrested or shot, I'd suggest that you may be the one who is delusional. While it is true that the most the government can take away from you is your life, if that is taken, what power do you then have to be giving the government permission to do or not do anything? In that instance, they will have taken all your power.
I respect your democratic ideals, but they simply aren't realistic in this place and time.
Maybe one day they will be, but that day is not today.
If you truly believe that our government is keeping a list of each citizen who voices dissent against one of their established positions (such as marijuana code), then you would be contributing to your own cause by getting yourself on that list. Because if the government truly does attempt to use such a list to forcefully quiet its own citizens, that action in and of itself would draw more revolutionary support from the general populous than your radical suggestions of demanding that the government act in accordance with your personal beliefs. You must understand that the majority of the population still carries a respect for and delegation of authority to our government. So within that context, I believe you (and indeed all citizens) would be best served by participating in the existing framework until it is no longer possible to do so.
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The shit's not illegal folks, do any of YOU remembering agreeing to that rule and regulation?
In a republic, it is not up to individual citizens to approve of each and every law. Due to the inefficiency that would be created when attempting to reach consensus on legislation across our nation of so many peoples, we have delegated this responsibility to our government. Do you honestly believe that we could function as a true democracy with a country so large and diverse? Do you honestly believe that everyone agrees with your positions? Because if not, it'll just be the same ol' gridlock all over again. What we really need, is for the federal government to be responsible for protecting our land, and for the rest of the decisions to be made closer to the people they affect, in the state and local governments. But don't kid yourself, with the large population and expanse of land, we still need governments, and to function effectively, responsibility will always need to be delegated to specific individuals or groups at different levels of government.
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 Re: Attention U.S. Voters: Federal Decriminalization of Marijuana! [H.R. 5843] [Re: geokills]
#8496568 - 06/07/08 03:28 PM (4 months, 3 days ago) |
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Commerce clause, bitches
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: MOTH]
#8507454 - 06/10/08 01:44 PM (4 months, 21 hours ago) |
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I already sent my congressman an email about it
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: drok]
#8511654 - 06/11/08 02:49 PM (3 months, 30 days ago) |
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My congressmen sent me a letter through regular mail basically stating the American public and the medical field agrees that marijuana is a danger and breaks up families.
So he will be voting against this bill...
I sent him an email in response letting him know I will be voting against him come election time.Based upon his voting record(and because of this bill) that he is out of touch with the American public even though he thinks otherwise.
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: DeNovoLogiK]
#8512965 - 06/11/08 08:56 PM (3 months, 30 days ago) |
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I'll bet he supports alcohol being legal though. A very benign substance that keeps families together.
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: Icelander]
#8514600 - 06/12/08 09:40 AM (3 months, 30 days ago) |
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is this bill still pending?
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 Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: sleepy]
#8514680 - 06/12/08 10:06 AM (3 months, 30 days ago) |
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Re: Attention U.S. Voters: Federal Decriminalization of Marijuana! [H.R. 5843] [Re: geokills]
#8515104 - 06/12/08 12:17 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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Re: Attention U.S. Voters: Federal Decriminalization of Marijuana! [H.R. 5843] [Re: remixxx420]
#8515193 - 06/12/08 12:45 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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fuck you spammer
get the fuck out of the shroomery
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Re: Attention U.S. Voters: Federal Decriminalization of Marijuana! [H.R. 5843] [Re: remixxx420]
#8515205 - 06/12/08 12:48 PM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: Coaster]
#8519469 - 06/13/08 12:20 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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No chance that this will make it, but its got my support.
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: bsinned87]
#8519844 - 06/13/08 01:46 PM (3 months, 28 days ago) |
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bsinned87 said:
No chance that this will make it, but its got my support.
yup that pretty much sums it up
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Re: Attention U.S. Voters: Federal Decriminalization of Marijuana! [H.R. 5843] [Re: KillerPicklez]
#8532821 - 06/17/08 08:08 AM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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Im about to write my rep. right now. I think this has a good chance of going through. The Refer Madness mindset is coming to an end, i think many people in this country are realizing the benefits of Marijuana.
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
#8532823 - 06/17/08 08:09 AM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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Zinglons Acolyte said:
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bsinned87 said:
No chance that this will make it, but its got my support.
yup that pretty much sums it up
Why not? Thinking like this is not supporting.
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: ixitwistedixi]
#8533647 - 06/17/08 01:12 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Zinglons Acolyte said:
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bsinned87 said:
No chance that this will make it, but its got my support.
yup that pretty much sums it up
Why not? Thinking like this is not supporting.
yes it is, were doing the stuff that needs to be done about this, but were being realistic about it as well, this bill doesnt stand a chance of passing
even if it gets out of house (must have a 2/3 majority if im not mistaken) then the bill will go to president, where it will promptly be vetoed
to overturn a veto, you have to have a 3/4 majority vote, and theres not chance in hell of that ever happening for this
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
#8535106 - 06/17/08 08:18 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Will this legislation affect the federal raiding of medical marijuana dispenceries? Or does this bill only protect against arrests for possession? If the only protection is against possession then what pot clubs are doing still puts them at risk of raid by federal agents like the dea... They sell marijuana for profit, some of them cultivate and obviously they are in possession of more than 3.5 ounces.
This bill seems so pointless to me because it doesn't fix any problems. The main problem here in california is the raids by the dea of pot clubs. If this bill isn't going to completely decriminalize marijuana then i don't really think its doing any good. either that or it will encourage all the people that smoke pot illegally, without a medical recommendation, to smoke up in federal buildings or national parks without prosecution. In states that don't have medical marijuana legislation this bill doesn't help anybody smoking it up in state property because its still illegal in the state.
This bill is completely pointless and i don't think anything else needs to be said.
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: smerg]
#8535140 - 06/17/08 08:31 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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smerg said:
This bill is completely pointless and i don't think anything else needs to be said.
This bill is merely a step in the right direction.
John Walters and the DEA thank you and appreciate your give up and surrender attitude
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: smerg]
#8535153 - 06/17/08 08:36 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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smerg said:
This bill is completely pointless and i don't think anything else needs to be said.
I half agree with that. Decriminalization is a step in the right direction, but is not the solution. The real solution to the problem is full relegalization, regulation, and taxation.
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: Chemy]
#8535197 - 06/17/08 08:50 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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This bill seems so pointless to me because it doesn't fix any problems. The main problem here in california is the raids by the dea of pot clubs. If this bill isn't going to completely decriminalize marijuana then i don't really think its doing any good. either that or it will encourage all the people that smoke pot illegally, without a medical recommendation, to smoke up in federal buildings or national parks without prosecution. In states that don't have medical marijuana legislation this bill doesn't help anybody smoking it up in state property because its still illegal in the state.
1. This bill would decriminalize marijuana traficking that is not for profit and 100 ounces and less.
2. This bill will not allow people to smoke in federal buildings, which is a stupid presumption- marijuana is still against the law.
3. Same as 2 w/ regard to parks
4. It does help people in those states as trafickers that aren't for profit can't be federaly charged or subject to federal civil action for the seizure of the property- something threatened in cali right now (if you've been paying attention).
5. State's use the federal law as justification for not changing state law.
6. The controlled substances acts and scheduling of drugs didn't pass in one bill, why the hell do you think the repeal should happen in one bill
You seem to have read nothing and yet are judging the bill on your presumptions.
I could open a pot shop right now (if the bill passed) and start selling pot. If I didn't make profit and kept my inventory below 100grams of has/marijuana/extract/whatever then the feds couldn't take my house, car, and building, and could only fine me 100 bucks. As it stands, a landlord would fear the feds seizing the property and so probably wouldn't rent to me.
Let alone its nice not to go to jail for years for providing marijuana to sick people.
This bill wouldn't help? WTF are you talking about?
Finally, I have no idea why you think the "sick people" are the biggest issue with marijuana laws.
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: johnm214]
#8542407 - 06/19/08 09:19 PM (3 months, 22 days ago) |
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I got this from one of the letters
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Exactly 2.5 hours after our alert went out yesterday and members revived their outreach to Gov. Crist in opposition to HB173/SB390, he signed the legislation into law.
This new law creates the ridiculous judicial presumption that anyone with 25 marijuana plants is a drug dealer.
Florida already had the dubious honor of having the nation's harshest marijuana possession laws - less than 20 grams can land you in jail for a year and cost you $1,000. Even worse, possession of more than 20 grams is a felony. This new law puts Florida even further ahead of the draconian pack as the Sunshine State can now claim a trafficking standard 4 times as tough as the federal government's!
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