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 MrE
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 Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: Bassman]
#8469184 - 05/31/08 11:09 PM (3 months, 3 days ago) |
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Decriminalized is different from legalized.
The legalizing of marijuana is a horrible idea, it simply isn't good for people. Legalizing it will put it in the same category of cigarettes. "Sure, it's bad for you, but do it if you want to, cause we need to find a way to collect more money from you."
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lqdtrance
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: MrE]
#8470584 - 06/01/08 10:43 AM (3 months, 2 days ago) |
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Its not even on the same level as cigarettes. Cigarettes have harsh chemical additives where as marijuana does not (depending on who's growing). Plus there are ways to ingest marijuana where as cigarettes do not. Even alcohol is worse. It should be a legal crop in this country.
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 Lieutenant_Dan
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: MrE]
#8470747 - 06/01/08 11:52 AM (3 months, 2 days ago) |
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Quote:
MrE said:
Decriminalized is different from legalized.
The legalizing of marijuana is a horrible idea, it simply isn't good for people. Legalizing it will put it in the same category of cigarettes. "Sure, it's bad for you, but do it if you want to, cause we need to find a way to collect more money from you."
you're a moron 
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Chemy
Microwaves Are Bad
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Loc: Log Cabin, AK
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: Lieutenant_Dan]
#8470787 - 06/01/08 12:06 PM (3 months, 2 days ago) |
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And he's banned
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“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them". -Ayn Rand
“Useless laws weaken the necessary laws.”
-Montesquieu, 1748
The thesis that I want to advance today is that the drug war and the laws that prohibit the private consumption of certain drugs are unconstitutional. Prohibition laws, themselves, violate every tenet of limited government that is embodied in our Constitution.
http://www.paulhager.org/libertarian/drug_con.html
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Dizzwizzle
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Registered: 05/20/07
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: MrE]
#8474333 - 06/02/08 10:15 AM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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Quote:
MrE said:
Decriminalized is different from legalized.
The legalizing of marijuana is a horrible idea, it simply isn't good for people. Legalizing it will put it in the same category of cigarettes. "Sure, it's bad for you, but do it if you want to, cause we need to find a way to collect more money from you."
lmfao 
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BrandNewbie
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Re: Attention U.S. Voters: Federal Decriminalization of Marijuana! [H.R. 5843] [Re: geokills]
#8479755 - 06/03/08 02:40 PM (3 months, 14 hours ago) |
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Cool. I used the link and did my part. This would be a step in the right direction at least.
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I said "no" to drugs, but they just wouldn't listen.
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timekiller
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Re: Attention U.S. Voters: Federal Decriminalization of Marijuana! [H.R. 5843] [Re: BrandNewbie]
#8480382 - 06/03/08 05:30 PM (3 months, 11 hours ago) |
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while I was there I also sent a local email, I'm in new jersey and they're trying to pass a law allowing medical marijuana, sending an email for this is a lot like buying a lottery ticket, sure chances are slim that you'll win but the false hope brightens up your day, thinking about what you'll do and how it will be if it actually happens, and hey you never know, right? BTW when will we know if this actually goes through?
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timekiller
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Re: Attention U.S. Voters: Federal Decriminalization of Marijuana! [H.R. 5843] [Re: timekiller]
#8480392 - 06/03/08 05:32 PM (3 months, 11 hours ago) |
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first post BTW, great to be here.
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johnm214
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Posts: 5,991
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Re: Attention U.S. Voters: Federal Decriminalization of Marijuana! [H.R. 5843] [Re: timekiller]
#8480429 - 06/03/08 05:44 PM (3 months, 11 hours ago) |
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Welcome
To check on the bill status look for the link I posted earlier or simply search H.R. 5843.
It is likely still in committee(s) and will likely stay there forever untill it dies, but keep sending those letters- democracy works eventually. I'm sure some politicians are just waiting to come out of the closet and support the obvious but are afriad there's not enough public support. Little by little we'll get there. Look at Barr and the libertarian he now is... I wonder if its all an act (doubt it) or if he was just a whore to fear mongering folks previously in his anit-drug career (probably)
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IslandShroomer
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Re: Attention U.S. Voters: Federal Decriminalization of Marijuana! [H.R. 5843] [Re: geokills]
#8485025 - 06/04/08 07:42 PM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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Dear Mr. Islandshroomer
Thank you for contacting me regarding medical marijuana. I appreciate hearing from you.
You will be pleased to know that in the past I have voted for an amendment to the Departments of Commerce, Justice, and State, the Judiciary, and related agencies Appropriation bill offered by Representative Maurice Hinchey (D-NY) that would have prohibited the use of funds in the bill to prevent the States of Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Nevada, Oregon, or Washington from implementing State laws authorizing the use of medical marijuana in those States. Unfortunately, this common sense amendment intended to preserve the authority of individual states failed to pass the House by a vote of 152-273.
In November 1998, the voters of our home state voted in favor of I-692, which allows for the medical use of marijuana by patients with certain terminal or debilitating conditions, such as cancer or AIDS. The initiative does not legalize the use or display of marijuana in public, and therefore the drug cannot be distributed in clubs or other public facilities.
Like you, I feel that doctors should be able to prescribe the best medical treatment for patients, removed from governmental influence. While I support leaving the government out of medical decisions, any federal legalization of medical marijuana must have strict guidelines on its use. In spite of the fact that public opinion may become more accepting of the medical use of marijuana, I do not support legalizing marijuana for recreational purposes.
Please continue to contact me about the issues that concern you, as I both need and welcome your thoughts and ideas. As a service to my constituents, I maintain a website which contains valuable resources and information on Congressional activities.
I encourage you to contact me via email, telephone, or fax, because security measures are causing House offices to experience delays in receiving postal mail. Please be sure to include your full name and address, including your zip code, in your message.
Edited by IslandShroomer (06/05/08 07:09 PM)
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citricacidx
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Re: Attention U.S. Voters: Federal Decriminalization of Marijuana! [H.R. 5843] [Re: IslandShroomer]
#8485066 - 06/04/08 07:54 PM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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nice to see there are some people in power who have common sense.
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IslandShroomer
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Re: Attention U.S. Voters: Federal Decriminalization of Marijuana! [H.R. 5843] [Re: citricacidx]
#8489693 - 06/05/08 07:10 PM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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ha forgot to edit my last name out. Way too stoned last night when I got that e-mail! It took him a while to get back to me, I was kind of pissed off, but I'm glad he finally did.
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cool_breeze
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Registered: 06/05/08
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Re: Attention U.S. Voters: Federal Decriminalization of Marijuana! [H.R. 5843] [Re: IslandShroomer]
#8490042 - 06/05/08 08:34 PM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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I was inevitably going to become a registered user and should have done so a couple of years ago when I learned of this community, so, Hi.
Nonetheless, this became the thread that reminded me to register, because I wanted to pose a question in regards to this Federal Decriminalization thread (which is well intended as hell and I don't mean to sound like I'm downplaying what it's trying to achieve for everyone).
I typically disagree with decrim. Simply put, it's about the same to me as all of the gun legislation, like Concealed Carry, that just past here in Ohio not long ago.
Check it, you are born, you are without rights. I don't believe in them either and I wish from day one I never obtained any of these alleged "freedoms".
Think about it this way, when you take a concept like freedom, and try to wrap it up with boundaries and words and definition, even if these things are for the intent of expanding the concept, they immediately contradict it by existing. The word "freedom" itself detracts from the point, because the concept was given definitions and boundaries, and IT as an idea is no longer anything but measured and defined.
So how can you have "rights" if you're freedom was removed in the first place? Everyone I see and hear fighting for these rights all have hearts and minds in the correct places on the correct paths and I support all of my brothers who understand this and strive daily to end oppression. However, even these people fail to understand that acknowledging the concept of you having rights, you immediately succeed to the lack of them you must have in order for the rights you "do" have to exist, see?
We look at decriminalization with excitement and all of these other good thoughts and feelings, but we're talking about using our voices and rising up and all of this stuff to make a change...
...my question, is that if there are so many MILLIONS of people in the US, and other countries respectively, who want these new rights, why don't we try a different approach besides voting and writing and calling? Anyone aware enough of the state of affairs in this world understands that all things like that do is get you recorded as a supporter of something currently illegal and gets you red flagged for future observation. "Oh, Jonny wants legal weed? Then I bet if we keep an eye long enough and search his car enough after only pulling him over for a license plate light out or a moving violation, maybe we can find some on him while its still against the law" Technically, a thought process like that would burn in court and undoubtedly get whoever was involved in some shit, because it would be illegal to use something like "conceptual support" as evidence of a code infraction (that's right, there is NO LAW ANYWHERE about marijuana being illegal, only written code\acts, which have only, legally speaking, color of law, which means codes and acts ARE NOT the law, and are only enforceable against people, such as most of us, who've contracted with the government and agreed to follow these rules).
You flip burgers at McD's, and you're bosses job is to tell you what to do, right? He pays you, so its his duty to make SURE he is paying you to do what needs to be done.
...don't you think you're boss would flip a bitch if you told him that you were going to do things like:
-vote between you and co-workers on your own raises
-write rules to oppress the management teams power while "supposedly" being required to follow the same rules
-granted yourself and others on your level special "rights" and "privileges" that are outside of what we are technically and legitimately supposed to be following as rules and restrictions
-decided that the only way your boss could tell you what to do is if he and other management personnel voted, and if the vote was not in your favor (or was and we tilted it for us), you are just as screwed for new "rights\privileges\powers" you didn't have before.
-spoke to your "superiors" as if you were the superior
We have that government here today in the US and all over the world.
These bitches are our EMPLOYEES and WE ARE THE MANAGEMENT. Do you think you would EVER get away with that shit at MacDs? Or ANYWHERE?
We have reverence for these fucks as we do for celebrities, who are equally undeserving of the starry-eyed, I'm-not-worthy-attitude that we approach THEM with, like they are gods and we are the meek.
Kiss a few babies on camera and become a deity...fuck
The notion of voting on anything like decriminalizing weed is nauseating to me.
How about we say, "We've collectively decided as the largest speaking and acting body in the discussion, and the employers to whose jobs\lives\money\livelihood you OWE, so we AREN'T going to vote, this is simply how it's going to be. We make the rules, we call the shots and you do as your told, or we are hauling you off to the jails you built to enslave us with. Marijuana is NO LONGER ILLEGAL IN ANY CAPACITY and any previous legal engagements you've tricked us into becoming a part of with your DECADES OF FRAUD are now NULL AND VOID, making ALL ACTS and CODES WRITTEN but mere memories. Next time you as the "governing body" make any decisions without our permission, or even ATTEMPT to create the perception that YOU are the ones who grant US ANYTHING, you WILL BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE and your possessions REVOKED (including any all all owned homes\property".
If a group of armed, well-educated and conviction-having people took the white house and said something like that, it would be the first step BACK towards what our founding fathers intended for us.
There should be no "please mr.government, can i go out and play?" its "bitch, i said it, therefore it simply is what it is. you the bitch, NOT US"
...sorry, that small group of elitist fucks boil my blood and I tend to lose any semblance of cohesion and reasonable english\typing...
All I'm saying is we don't need permission for anything, the government does, and it takes a delusional society to believe they have any power or control over us. They have guns and a brainwashed military who will mostly have no problem fighting civilians if they are ordered too (though a shit load would likely break, regroup and fight with us for justice). All they can do is kill us and hurt us and do things to us against our wishes. It's ultimately only physical. When it comes down to it, we can have a system like we do now, but Bush can't personally make you do something without it boiling down to a hand to hand altercation and your life depending on doing what you're told.
The hilarity is that they've achieved this level of "power" and "control" over us NOT by conquest (though they've killed more than thousands of their own society and public), but by consent. No matter HOW MUCH we disagree with the new rules and laws and actions they always pass against us, even THEY won't do it unless we've allowed it. They've never forced us into anything, just tricked us.
...so cliffs notes...
DON'T VOTE for decriminalization, become a part of reminding the government that THEY are the employees and WE ARE IN CONTROL. Be a part of saying you're legislation and fraud and dishonest criminal activity is no longer going to be tolerated, you're poor performance is firing you right now, unless you begin to listen and do as your told.
They need to be put in their place. Remind them that they are only in their positions because of us (except presidents and anyone else with the right bloodlines).
The shit's not illegal folks, do any of YOU remembering agreeing to that rule and regulation? You may not remember ever signing the paperwork that made you liable to receive a punishment for the code violation\commercial crime you "committed", but you are. Beyond that bit of legal trickery and fraud, we were all brought into this shit against our will (none of us chose to make our parents fuck, cause we didn't exist) in the first place, so we deal with it, but what none of us did was agree to these rules established before we all arrived. And a long time ago our forefathers understood this and wanted to build something that could prevent you being born into oppression here on this soil. That's been taken away from us and its time we take it back!
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IslandShroomer
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Re: Attention U.S. Voters: Federal Decriminalization of Marijuana! [H.R. 5843] [Re: cool_breeze]
#8491239 - 06/06/08 01:15 AM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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damn. At first I was like WTF why you hating? But then I finished reading the whole thing. You make some really valid points.
Unfortunately, power corrupts, and absolute power absolutely corrupts, so we have a bunch of fucking pricks running our country.
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cool_breeze
n00b
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Re: Attention U.S. Voters: Federal Decriminalization of Marijuana! [H.R. 5843] [Re: IslandShroomer]
#8491677 - 06/06/08 05:26 AM (2 months, 28 days ago) |
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I just re-read some of my ranting and I want to apologize for the english\grammar\typos... wow
...bong rips ahoy
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lqdtrance
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Re: Attention U.S. Voters: Federal Decriminalization of Marijuana! [H.R. 5843] [Re: cool_breeze]
#8494326 - 06/06/08 09:45 PM (2 months, 28 days ago) |
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Good post man
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pinc
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Re: Attention U.S. Voters: Federal Decriminalization of Marijuana! [H.R. 5843] [Re: lqdtrance]
#8494679 - 06/06/08 11:37 PM (2 months, 28 days ago) |
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Good stuff, keep it coming!
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timekiller
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Re: Attention U.S. Voters: Federal Decriminalization of Marijuana! [H.R. 5843] [Re: pinc]
#8494980 - 06/07/08 01:03 AM (2 months, 28 days ago) |
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great post, but what the hell are we supposed to do about it? just because I tell a cop that I never agreed to pot being illegal and that he works for me doesn't mean he's not going to arrest me and ruin my life, and the same goes for all levels of authority. if we live in this country we have to live by its rules that they make, otherwise we get bitch slapped. I agree that our present government is ridiculously corrupt and different from the one our forefathers envisioned and that a government should fear its people. not the other way around. but what am i going to do? How can we raise people and support to overthrow the government in this day and age without immediately being labeled and taken care of as a terrorist group? i feel like they've got us by the balls and we can't do anything about it besides play their game, or is that just my dellusion?
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Zinglons Acolyte
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Re: Attention U.S. Voters: Federal Decriminalization of Marijuana! [H.R. 5843] [Re: timekiller]
#8495133 - 06/07/08 02:11 AM (2 months, 28 days ago) |
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timekiller said:
great post, but what the hell are we supposed to do about it? just because I tell a cop that I never agreed to pot being illegal and that he works for me doesn't mean he's not going to arrest me and ruin my life, and the same goes for all levels of authority. if we live in this country we have to live by its rules that they make, otherwise we get bitch slapped. I agree that our present government is ridiculously corrupt and different from the one our forefathers envisioned and that a government should fear its people. not the other way around. but what am i going to do? How can we raise people and support to overthrow the government in this day and age without immediately being labeled and taken care of as a terrorist group? i feel like they've got us by the balls and we can't do anything about it besides play their game, or is that just my dellusion?
thats exactly what i ws thinking too, what the previous poster said is absolutely true and makes my blood boil, but this is equally as true, our government needs much better checks and balances, specifically an implementation of checks and balances by the people, against the entire government, including but not limited to the ability to vote on ammendments to the constitution and any legislation
the first candidate that i just completely agreed with was mike gravel, you guys should look him up, this constitution thing is something that he came up with over 25 years, after a while when i saw that his campaign wasnt going anywhere however, i switched my support to ron paul, and then obama.... i still wish i could have seen gravel in office though, libertarian ftw
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outhere4
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Re: Attention U.S. Voters: Federal Decriminalization of Marijuana! [H.R. 5843] [Re: geokills]
#8495290 - 06/07/08 03:28 AM (2 months, 28 days ago) |
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wow, I just called my senator when I was really high and left a goofy message, reading what it said to say and continuing to throw in my own 2 high cents. Doh!
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