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 Zinglons Acolyte
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 Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: manyc]
#8331744 - 04/26/08 07:06 PM (4 months, 8 days ago) |
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we need to drug the capital buildings water!
some ego death would do the government a world of good
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KillerPicklez
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
#8332321 - 04/26/08 09:37 PM (4 months, 8 days ago) |
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I got this reponse from my representative and it didnt really make sense to me, from Arizona congressman Rick Renzi:
Thank you for contacting me regarding the medical use of marijuana, I appreciate learning your views on the matter.
As you may know, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has classified marijuana, heroin, LSD, methamphetamines, hashish, and a number of other drugs as Schedule I drugs. According to the FDA, Schedule I drugs carry a high potential for dangerous abuse. As a result, doctors have been prohibited by the federal government from prescribing these drugs for medicinal purposes.
Earlier this year, Mary Ellen Bittner, an FDA law judge, recommended that the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) grant a license to the University of Massachusetts to produce marijuana for FDA-approved research. Without a facility such as this, it is not possible for researchers in this country to obtain a supply of marijuana that will allow them to study the drug's purported medicinal uses.
The DEA has refused to grant the license and has delayed a ruling on the application. Further, DEA officials, during a hearing before the House Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security this month, refused to commit to a timeline for ruling on the University of Massachusetts' application.
I believe the FDA needs to issue a ruling on the effectiveness of marijuana for medicinal purposes. However, they will not be able to do so until the DEA grants a license and allows for the arduous testing necessary to conduct the proper research.
Thank you again for contacting me regarding this issue. Please feel free to contact me again with any other concern you may have.
Edited by KillerPicklez (04/26/08 09:52 PM)
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 johnm214
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: KillerPicklez]
#8332589 - 04/26/08 10:46 PM (4 months, 8 days ago) |
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this guy's an idiot ^^^
Methamphetamine is schedule II, and anyone who was at all familiar w/ drug issues would both understand that, and that scheduling is a political decision w/ little objective fact behind it.
I hate these guys who rely upon a classifiction that is sought to be changed as justification for that classification. How can you challenge the scheme if you can't study the substance? nevertheless its evdient to all that marijauana has plenty of potential, more so then PCP for example
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andyistic
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: johnm214]
#8332607 - 04/26/08 10:50 PM (4 months, 8 days ago) |
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I see marijuana has having buttloads of potential.
I see PCP as just another garbage drug from the ghetto.
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johnm214
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: andyistic]
#8332692 - 04/26/08 11:19 PM (4 months, 8 days ago) |
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Quote:
andyistic said:
I see PCP as just another garbage drug from the pharmaceutical industry.
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andyistic
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: johnm214]
#8332739 - 04/26/08 11:31 PM (4 months, 8 days ago) |
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Why pharmaceutical ?
I've never seen it in medication form.
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johnm214
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: andyistic]
#8332836 - 04/27/08 12:09 AM (4 months, 8 days ago) |
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its not used, in america anyways, anymore for people, as far as I know
It was unsafe.
But apparently not unsafe enough to have "accepted safety in medical use" unlike marijuana apparently
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andyistic
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: johnm214]
#8332845 - 04/27/08 12:12 AM (4 months, 8 days ago) |
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The way I see it, the entire Drug Schedule needs to be rewritten.
A lot of what's on there shouldn't be, and others need to be moved to other classifications.
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johnm214
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: andyistic]
#8332868 - 04/27/08 12:18 AM (4 months, 8 days ago) |
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Yeah, the schedules themselves make sense, but the drugs in them doesn't.
The DEA places drugs pursuant to political, not scientific, inquiry. The whole schedule I should be almost completely purged. Almost all of those could be used safely.
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andyistic
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: johnm214]
#8332886 - 04/27/08 12:23 AM (4 months, 8 days ago) |
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Why even have a Schedule 1?
If someone wants to experiment on their own body, let them.
As long as they don't do anything stupid like drive under the influence,
who gives a shit what happens to them.
I'm referring to adults of course, kids should never use non-medicinal drugs.
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Zinglons Acolyte
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: andyistic]
#8332923 - 04/27/08 12:37 AM (4 months, 8 days ago) |
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instead of scheduling they should have degrees of regulation... or better regulate each substance by valid scientific research on that substance
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andyistic
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
#8332933 - 04/27/08 12:42 AM (4 months, 8 days ago) |
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The way I see it, there should be two classifications:
Medicinal and recreational.
The first one to be available to anyone who needs it.
The second to be available to adults only.
Both should be under the regulation of public safety (the way alcohol is now).
Anything more than that is going overboard.
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johnm214
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: andyistic]
#8332986 - 04/27/08 01:10 AM (4 months, 8 days ago) |
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Quote:
andyistic said:
Why even have a Schedule 1?
If someone wants to experiment on their own body, let them.
As long as they don't do anything stupid like drive under the influence,
who gives a shit what happens to them.
I'm referring to adults of course, kids should never use non-medicinal drugs.
I agree to some extent. What drugs could be in Schedule I shouldn't neccesarily be prohibited, but this could be a legitimate basis for policy distinctions.
For example, PCP is likely to cause problems in users and may cause brain damage. Drugs that cause signifigant toxicity could be in this schedule as well. In my mind, the "abuse potential" should be stripped from schedule I and it should simply be a class of drugs that have little accepted safety evidence, or evidence that they cause harmful conditions w/ regularity, such as neurotoxic drugs, and things like propoxyphene.
I think a better course of action is to require a free license to take such drugs, which would require you pass a test detailing the pharmacology as relevant to a recreational user. Another, more libertarian method, would be to mandate companies only sell these drugs to users who demonstrate a good awareness of the pharmacology, including effects and any toxicity information, use parameters. Companies that don't adequately test users' knowledge could be prosecuted. People that deal these drugs without requiring knowledge and testing could likewise be prosecuted.
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andyistic
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: johnm214]
#8333055 - 04/27/08 01:45 AM (4 months, 8 days ago) |
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What do we do with heroin addicts?
Do we continue to sell them larger and larger doses to support their habit,
or offer them therapy to get them off the addiction?
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johnm214
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: andyistic]
#8333080 - 04/27/08 02:08 AM (4 months, 8 days ago) |
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sell them whatever, provide information on how to get off
If people want to donate resources to help this, fine, but I really think alot of the drug treatment money is a waste. For the addiction people can talk with friends or go to aa/na. For those that want off the stuff, they can wean themselves off w/ a long-acting opioid.
I really don't see the reason for paying hundreds of dollars for a nonpatented active chemical and hundreds more to docs, when all you're really doing is tapering. If we had a free market, people that wanted to get off w/out withdrawals could taper their dosage themselves without having to screw themselves into an expensive government-created bankruptcy.
Those who don't want to get off could have very cheap drugs, and wouldn't have as much of an incentive to act all antisocial. Those that want to be idiots and commit crimes can be thrown in jail.
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andyistic
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: johnm214]
#8333095 - 04/27/08 02:17 AM (4 months, 8 days ago) |
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I don't think that hardcore drug addicts are of the right mindset to be able to taper off properly.
Some sort of help from experienced former addicts would be necessary.
And I agree - taxpayers shouldn't have to pour their hard-earned money into such habits or their treatments.
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johnm214
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Re: ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843] [Re: andyistic]
#8333155 - 04/27/08 02:52 AM (4 months, 8 days ago) |
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some will some won't, but those who have a tolerance and want to reduce or eliminate it now can't get help with that in most places.
This is not rocket science, reduce over time. Their are plenty of protocols available, yet you cannot get the medication without around a thousand dollars in my area for two months or less due to the artifical monopoly the government has created.
Methadone is another option, but that demands daily administration, almost, and also costs a bunch of money. Bullshit. The drugs are cheap.
Any idiot can do it, and if he can't, that's his problem. If we're going to spend money on drug addiction it should be spent on treatment, but those who want to spend private funds on VERY cheap substances should be able to do so without incurring massive fees totally created by the regulatory system of the government.
Just cuz you're an addict doesn't mean you loose all common sense.
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anim
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Re: Attention U.S. Voters: Federal Decriminalization of Marijuana! [H.R. 5843] [Re: geokills]
#8335427 - 04/27/08 08:01 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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I sent him an email that said "yoooo wassup bitch vote on this HR 5843 shit so i can fire it up w/ impunity peace out mofuckaaa"
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Not really. But I sent the form.
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orange
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Re: Attention U.S. Voters: Federal Decriminalization of Marijuana! [H.R. 5843] [Re: anim]
#8335701 - 04/27/08 09:09 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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You know, there's also a bill on the table right now to eliminate the IRS.
Two guesses which one has better chances of being passed.
(I fully support both and made sure my opinion is duly noted)
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KillerPicklez
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Re: Attention U.S. Voters: Federal Decriminalization of Marijuana! [H.R. 5843] [Re: orange]
#8335717 - 04/27/08 09:12 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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neither one? I think the marijuana one actually has a better chance. It seems like my representative actually somewhat supports it. The IRS will never be abolished.
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