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it's outta da family altogether (kappa opioid)
but
since it does something so simmilar to DMT
one might expect it is a kind of secondary seritoninergic triggering chemical
like dmt and lsd but via a different pathway (kappa opioid and or something unknown)
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 Re: Salvia - common experiences  [Re: oojijimoo]
#8288096 - 04/15/08 05:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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guruu said:
Just out of curiosity, does anybody know where Salvia fits into the tripping family? I know it's not a tryptamine, could it be a pentathylamine? (sp?) Or is it just by coincidence and correlation that we consider a salvia experience "tripping"? (which I most certainly do)
That's kinda what I said. But I said I didn't really consider it tripping. WE NEED MORE RESPONSES!
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Re: Salvia - common experiences [Re: oojijimoo]
#8288124 - 04/15/08 05:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dissociative like DXM and amanitas? I've tried both of those and they weren't really tripping imo, but Salvia is just as psychedelic as anything else.
See... I consider DXM a trip.."dissociative tripping". You can certainly feel at One and all that, but it's as if you're fucking drunk as well.
And isn't Amanita a deliriant?
I see certain aspects of Salvia as psychedelic... but not very much of it. It seems quite different than tripping to me actually. It's kinda like a trip.. it just feels too different. It acts on your brain uniquely as well... like someone said, there's no tryptamines. I've yet to try anything that mimicks the intensity, DMT maybe, but it's still not the same.
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Re: Salvia - common experiences [Re: Leviathan]
#8288222 - 04/15/08 05:48 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know most people choose to smoke Salvia but I gave up smoking a long time ago and I have smoked it in the past but it's way to intense and quick that way for me. I've been using salvia the "quid" method for quite a while. Even though it may taste bad at first if you can get through 15-20 min it comes on slow and easy and you can really roll with it and if you want it to stop just spit it out and in 5-10 min it's over. I recently started shrooming again and it got to intense for me but there was little I could do about it. For me chewing Sally is the ultimate.
Anyone else use or tried this method?
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Re: Salvia - common experiences [Re: zhaquai]
#8288260 - 04/15/08 05:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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zhaquai said:
I know most people choose to smoke Salvia but I gave up smoking a long time ago and I have smoked it in the past but it's way to intense and quick that way for me. I've been using salvia the "quid" method for quite a while. Even though it may taste bad at first if you can get through 15-20 min it comes on slow and easy and you can really roll with it and if you want it to stop just spit it out and in 5-10 min it's over. I recently started shrooming again and it got to intense for me but there was little I could do about it. For me chewing Sally is the ultimate.
Anyone else use or tried this method?
No.. I wish. I have 15x, I don't think you can do it with extract. 
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Re: Salvia - common experiences [Re: Leviathan]
#8288374 - 04/15/08 06:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've tried it with a 5x extract but I didn't use much. Not much happened. Then i used a 10x pinch along with some reg. leaves (less than I normally use) and got a normal experiance so the 10x may have enhanced it. You may try brush ing the inside of your mouth then hold some liquer or alcohol based mouthwash in your mouth for a few min. to prep your mucus membranes to accept the Salvinorin then try chewing a good sized pinch of your 15x and hold it under your tongue for 15 -30min and I bet you'll get results. remember it comes on slow but you'll know the feeling if your experienced.
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Re: Salvia - common experiences [Re: zhaquai]
#8289242 - 04/15/08 09:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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zhaquai said:
I've tried it with a 5x extract but I didn't use much. Not much happened. Then i used a 10x pinch along with some reg. leaves (less than I normally use) and got a normal experiance so the 10x may have enhanced it. You may try brush ing the inside of your mouth then hold some liquer or alcohol based mouthwash in your mouth for a few min. to prep your mucus membranes to accept the Salvinorin then try chewing a good sized pinch of your 15x and hold it under your tongue for 15 -30min and I bet you'll get results. remember it comes on slow but you'll know the feeling if your experienced.
Thanks, man.. I'll definitely try it out.
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Re: Salvia - common experiences [Re: Leviathan]
#8289486 - 04/15/08 09:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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try 1/2 gram in a teabag (double or triple the teabag so you can chew it) and swill a bit of alcohol.
you can dry and smoke the stuff afterwards - only a bit will come off.
same if you make a tea
dry and smoke it afterwards 15X will be like 10x.
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I've done it a few times personally. I have noticed however if I am inside simply watching TV with a lower grade 5x(Maybe 10x) I will not really have visuals, but I will believe the TV is speaking to me and I will often become very frustrated with it to the point of yelling. Usually when I trip in nature I simply seem to see two worlds, this one and another one that is slightly merged with ours almost like the horizons melt together. If I am in it enough, I have visited that "other" realm a few times and when coming down it almost makes me question our world.
Anyway, that is nothing like my friends trips(Once he thought he was outside in a cage, another he thought he was trapped in an assembly line) so I would not say there is a common theme.
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I've had the TV experiance before. Your brain tells you that the whole world around you is a big setup and the jokes on you. The people on TV seem to confirm this notion by everything they say. To me it's very frightening. The best way to describe it is the movie "The Truman Show" with jim Cary where the whole world is a setup and he's the only one who doesn't know. Only when he finds out it's liberation. When I find out it's pure psychological hell. This is what I call the proverbial "BAD TRIP"
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Re: Salvia - common experiences [Re: zhaquai]
#8290596 - 04/16/08 06:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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synaesthesia
- when senses overlap and generate artifacts (sensory signals persisting and spreading into neighbouring zones of the brain)
seeing through objects or behind yourself
- when visual material from the last few seconds remains visible though you have turned away, or even after the lights are off - (persistence of image signals)
polyopia
- when image elements or motifs become repeated accross the extent of experiencing - (holographic cognition).
deja vu
- when time seems marshalled differently and you experience things a second or third time (or more)-(buffering of persistent mind moments)
delerium
- when sensory data is blended with memory (or imagination) - such as when the tv people are talking about you.
trails
- when the visual information of a second or more is layered over other visual information.
smoothing
- luminous plastic image elements as several frames that are simmilar intensify the color or light of the visual content.
smearing
- interpolating between frames and smoothing or stretching figures or smoothing the skin.
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redgreenvines said:
it's outta da family altogether (kappa opioid)
but
since it does something so simmilar to DMT
one might expect it is a kind of secondary seritoninergic triggering chemical
like dmt and lsd but via a different pathway (kappa opioid and or something unknown)
Thanks, good response.
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Re: Salvia - common experiences [Re: Dick535]
#8292110 - 04/16/08 03:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Salvia - common experiences [Re: Dick535]
#8292122 - 04/16/08 03:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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i tried it twice and got sick both times
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Re: Salvia - common experiences [Re: TopHat]
#8292363 - 04/16/08 04:20 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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haha yeah.
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Re: Salvia - common experiences [Re: zhaquai]
#8293840 - 04/16/08 08:36 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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zhaquai said:
I've had the TV experiance before. Your brain tells you that the whole world around you is a big setup and the jokes on you. The people on TV seem to confirm this notion by everything they say. To me it's very frightening. The best way to describe it is the movie "The Truman Show" with jim Cary where the whole world is a setup and he's the only one who doesn't know. Only when he finds out it's liberation. When I find out it's pure psychological hell. This is what I call the proverbial "BAD TRIP"
Anyone agree?
OH MY GOD. DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahahahaha
"Your brain tells you that the whole world around you is a big setup and the joke's on you." <--- nothing is more terrifying in the moment
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