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 Re: "Expand your mind" *rolls eyes* [Re: citricacidx]
#8279924 - 04/13/08 10:09 PM (7 months, 18 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said:
with psychedelic, I find
the universe is literally many times bigger, halls of mirrors may go off in every direction.
sound and vision and sensations echo longer in the bigger space.
the tripping out forever which lasts a second is astonishing and very mind expanding all together
-ergo
good term.
Ya, I think that by itself is a good reason to call them mind expanding.
No matter whether or not any personal growth was achieved etc etc.
I have no idea why some people dont see it this way, or dont understand this. It seems very obvious to me.
I would have thought anyone who has taken psychedelics would understand this "term".
I mean shit.............lol
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Re: "Expand your mind" *rolls eyes* [Re: yageman]
#8280264 - 04/13/08 11:22 PM (7 months, 18 days ago) |
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blowing your little fish brains out of the freakin water hahah  
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Re: "Expand your mind" *rolls eyes* [Re: Bend the Bong]
#8280361 - 04/13/08 11:49 PM (7 months, 18 days ago) |
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Until my first deep trip, I had never experienced the feeling of not existing at all. I never had experienced the slowed passing of time, the virtual-stand still of time, or my favorite- the reversal of time. I never had truly comprehended the infinite depths of the universe, or the sheer waves of terror (courtesy Salvia) of being plucked from reality. Dying took on a whole new meaning.
Tripping granted me experiences that reality could not duplicate. Not even my dreams before could flow backwards or pause or lead to nothingness. And by this reasoning, as I am my experiences and my experiences are my memory and mind, I can say that tripping has brought me "mind-expansion." Additionally, it has opened the doorways to new states of mind in everyday life that I had never experienced nor understood before.
It's a perfect term. If everyone had these sorts of experiences, we would "expand" beyond the biases of the tangible world and the world itself would be a very different place.
My mind is expanding. 
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Re: "Expand your mind" *rolls eyes* [Re: shadowed]
#8280381 - 04/13/08 11:55 PM (7 months, 18 days ago) |
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shadowed said:
Until my first deep trip, I had never experienced the feeling of not existing at all. I never had experienced the slowed passing of time, the virtual-stand still of time, or my favorite- the reversal of time. I never had truly comprehended the infinite depths of the universe, or the sheer waves of terror (courtesy Salvia) of being plucked from reality. Dying took on a whole new meaning.
Tripping granted me experiences that reality could not duplicate. Not even my dreams before could flow backwards or pause or lead to nothingness. And by this reasoning, as I am my experiences and my experiences are my memory and mind, I can say that tripping has brought me "mind-expansion." Additionally, it has opened the doorways to new states of mind in everyday life that I had never experienced nor understood before.
It's a perfect term. If everyone had these sorts of experiences, we would "expand" beyond the biases of the tangible world and the world itself would be a very different place.
My mind is expanding.
Who would have thunk it?
Pychedelics expand ones mind if ones mind is I guess "receptive".........
Im not about to call you a liar or roll my eyes..............lol
weird world we live in ay?
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I'd like to cut your head off so I could weigh it, what do ya say?
Five pounds, six, pounds, seven pounds
I'd like to go to your house and gather all your razors and pick all the
little prickly hairs so I can weigh them, what do ya say?
I'd like to gather all your friends and squish them all into a small
swimming pool so I can weigh them, what do ya say?
Please
Edited by yageman (04/13/08 11:57 PM)
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Re: "Expand your mind" *rolls eyes* [Re: yageman]
#8280509 - 04/14/08 12:39 AM (7 months, 17 days ago) |
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Ok, I had to skip over a lot of your posts because it seems like you all misunderstood what I meant.
I didn't mean that psychedelics have no potential to "expand your mind". but rather that "Expansion" is totally misleading term to use.
Mind doesn't have a size or a shape, and so the term "expansion" isn't suitable for describing any kind of process that the mind might undergo. And I mean this quite literally, not metaphorically. (of course I allow for exceptions as in the case of Pyroburn above)
I think, "Mind Altering", "Re-tuning consciousness", and "Experience Broadening" ARE suitable terms for what occurs under psychedelics. But nothing is expanding!
It's like focusing a lense, or tuning a radio, or concentrating sunlight into a point so it can start fires. It's NOT like filling up a baloon with air, or acquiring more land and expanding a farm.
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Sandman_130 said:
I think the op has just been using mushrooms with friends and probably hasn't had a solo trip, and I doubt his friends have either.
um this evaluation is totally wrong. I prefer only to trip solo these days specifically for the reason that inner work is difficult with other people distracting me. My friends trip solo, I trip solo. I've tripped an uncountable number of times over the course of 5 years. Lack of experience is not a factor in my consideration of the term "Mind Expanding"
I guess what I'm getting at is that "Expansion" has become the stereotypical metaphor which I find is quite poor in describing what happens to the mind. Of course people's world views and experiences have been changed by their trips, but I don't find that any reason to say that as a general characterization that "psychedelics expand your mind".
The idea of some hippy telling a square to "expand your mind" with drugs while in reality he is just as narrow minded and entrenched into his own subjective worldview as the person he is preaching to just irritates me. Nothing widens, nothing grows in size, there's no added volume to one's mind! And yes, I know that it's metaphor, but I'm speaking literally! It's a lousy metaphor and an awful stereotype.
Eat some shrooms, expand your mind. Pop some pills and wash that depression away. Take a diuretic and lose weight. It's all the same bullshit. Empty promises of personal transformation wrapped up in a little packages ready for consumption. And we all buy it.
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Re: "Expand your mind" *rolls eyes* [Re: deCypher]
#8280525 - 04/14/08 12:41 AM (7 months, 17 days ago) |
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The Cypher said:
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Nunbuh_Chrubble said:Drugs don't make you enlightened. Personal inner work makes you enlightened with or without drugs.
A major part of wisdom is in being able to use what knowledge you learn through your various experiences in your life thereafter. A temporary, four hour mushroom trip might bring new and wonderful insights for those four hours, but it's wholly up to that individual who tripped to then apply these to his life. By its very nature, enlightenment as obtained through years of meditation is thus more likely to be permanent than that obtained through drugs, as the sheer level of dedication and hard work necessary for the former makes it more likely the wisdom will "stick."
For realz yo!
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I think you know what you know, and based on what you say about that stuff and that individuality you hold dear...........I dont consider your opinion to be finite.
I actually think what you have said is so fucking flawed and im not going to explain why.
"Mind expansion" is two words paired together to express something that you apparently want to bitch about yet its not so easy to define.
"It's all the same bullshit. Empty promises of personal transformation wrapped up in a little packages ready for consumption. And we all buy it."
No, you dont understand a damn thing.
If you think hippies or some shit are pushing ideas on your ridiculous ass then you have another thing coming.
These are word used to simplify and are an expression of an almost unspeakable state of mind.
You are so full of shit.
Nobody is going to shit on you in full because you are a waste of time, and yer pretty damn ridiculous.
I respect your opinion and all, but the way you present yourself makes you seem ridiculous and the last person who should bother talking about your dumb ass opinion of "enlightenment or mind expansion" which you conveniently lump together.
You are not the right person to bitch about something even as simple as the term "mind expansion".
Who cares about your rant, and who the fuck do you think you are?
Do you expect anyone to give you a valid argument?
What you have said is so fucking one sided, simple, and annoying that anyone who finds value in psychedelics would think what you say is fucking hilarious.
Fuck off?
I dont know.
Yer just bitching about almost nothing(words you dont like), but I would like to call your bullshit, bullshit.
Serry,
I dont know one person who would agree with any of your round about bullshit.
Thats because they are not stupid, and know psychedelics very well.
Expansion?
You actually have a problem with that?
Sorry about your simple experiences and/or the retards you hang with.
Your point of view is a way to make a very useless point.
Again, serry.
Its true though.
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I'd like to cut your head off so I could weigh it, what do ya say?
Five pounds, six, pounds, seven pounds
I'd like to go to your house and gather all your razors and pick all the
little prickly hairs so I can weigh them, what do ya say?
I'd like to gather all your friends and squish them all into a small
swimming pool so I can weigh them, what do ya say?
Please
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Re: "Expand your mind" *rolls eyes* [Re: yageman]
#8280720 - 04/14/08 01:33 AM (7 months, 17 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said:
with psychedelics, I find
the universe is literally many times bigger, halls of mirrors may go off in every direction.
sound and vision and sensations echo longer in the bigger space.
the tripping out forever which lasts a second is astonishing and very mind expanding all together
-ergo
good term.
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His statement must be bullshit then?
No..............
Thats not bullshit though for sure.
Its how you use it that counts?
Well, no shit.........................
Psychedelics are not the magic button.
The shiny, red, candy like button.
Your failure to understand why psychedelics are often called mind expanding drugs is hilarious.
Nobody expects your dumb ass to undo existence.
The shiny red candy-like button does not exist.
For some people, the red candy-like button is a bit more fruitful and applicable.
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I'd like to cut your head off so I could weigh it, what do ya say?
Five pounds, six, pounds, seven pounds
I'd like to go to your house and gather all your razors and pick all the
little prickly hairs so I can weigh them, what do ya say?
I'd like to gather all your friends and squish them all into a small
swimming pool so I can weigh them, what do ya say?
Please
Edited by yageman (04/14/08 01:45 AM)
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Re: "Expand your mind" *rolls eyes* [Re: yageman]
#8281171 - 04/14/08 08:26 AM (7 months, 17 days ago) |
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You're just pissed off at me cause I gave you a 0 shroom rating for being a whiney little bitch in that DXM thread... and apparently it was a well deserved rating because you continue to exhibit pretty whiney behavior.
I'm not failing to understand anything. And the fact that you take such an inconsequential discussion about two little words so personally should make one wonder who is really being ridiculous.
I honestly don't take any of my opinions as seriously you seem to be. Grow up and quit slinging petty insults just because I said something that threatens your personal identification with the drugs you consume.
I don't really care that much if someone wants to use the words "mind expanding". I just think they are misleading and inadequate.
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I like that everyone has a different idea on what it all is...that's the point, we are all communicating like apes trying to find symbols in which to explain these things...
nobody knows first hand, not a single one of us...and nobody ever has...but we can fiddle and squirm all we want and try to make these ideas tangible but it's not happening 
"subjectivity"
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Re: "Expand your mind" *rolls eyes* [Re: citricacidx]
#8281259 - 04/14/08 09:06 AM (7 months, 17 days ago) |
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Psychedelics, are like nature teachers.... when u take them, you learn if u listen to the teachings.... just like at school, but a more telepathic form.
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Re: "Expand your mind" *rolls eyes* [Re: Bend the Bong]
#8283087 - 04/14/08 05:12 PM (7 months, 17 days ago) |
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Bend the Bong said:
I like that everyone has a different idea on what it all is...that's the point, we are all communicating like apes trying to find symbols in which to explain these things...
nobody knows first hand, not a single one of us...and nobody ever has...but we can fiddle and squirm all we want and try to make these ideas tangible but it's not happening
"subjectivity"
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Nunbuh_Chrubble said:
Honestly, I get a little annoyed by the phrase "mind expanding". Like psychedelics just automatically make you more wise. Quite frankly most of the people I see that trip aren't trying to expand shit, they just want to goof off and get high. (I'm guilty of this too)
I think "Mind altering" or "Broadening of Experience" are better phrases than "Mind Expanding"
Drugs don't make you enlightened. Personal inner work makes you enlightened with or without drugs. Some drugs allow you to get more inside yourself that you normally would be able to, but what you do once you are there is totally up to you.
You wouldn't say that a hammer has "house building" qualities...
ha ha i said a similar thing i like how you said it too. i guess its on the universal mind 
i think he should have said more so and means that people dont always attain growth of mind it can get expanded but not groth or walk in those far of places. just cause they know places are on the map and they are exploring doesnt mean they want to venture there or even try that. some people just want to cling to values even if they arnt whole
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Re: "Expand your mind" *rolls eyes* [Re: thedudenj]
#8283733 - 04/14/08 07:28 PM (7 months, 17 days ago) |
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Yeah, I saw your thread. I mean, psychedelics are powerful tools. And like all technology they are totally neutral and their value depends on the skill and intentions of the user.
Besides... language is incredibly insufficient to describe the shift in consciousness that is the psychedelic experience.
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Re: "Expand your mind" *rolls eyes* [Re: thedudenj]
#8290714 - 04/16/08 08:42 AM (7 months, 15 days ago) |
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the down waves that we experience through out our lives, make a great contrast for which your up waves are that much better because you subconsciously have something to compare them to...if everything was always good, it would break the balance and you wouldn't be able to enjoy the up waves
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Re: "Expand your mind" *rolls eyes* [Re: citricacidx]
#8290740 - 04/16/08 09:05 AM (7 months, 15 days ago) |
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to the op -
i think that psychedelics for sure help expand the mind. its all what you make of it.
like others said, if you want to just get fucked up with friends and have a good time, thats what your gonna get
if you take 3 hits by yourself in a dark room and explore your mind, then thats exactly what the fuck you get
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The key is to work the psychedelic state of mind into your everyday life. Then it is truly a mind expanding substance.
and i agree with that most of all
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Nunbuh_Chrubble said:
Eat some shrooms, expand your mind. Pop some pills and wash that depression away. Take a diuretic and lose weight. It's all the same bullshit. Empty promises of personal transformation wrapped up in a little packages ready for consumption. And we all buy it.
I agree with this sentiment, but I think it is more than empty, it is often lazy.
Consider a drug/personal/mental effort ratio.
Regarding terminology, I do not know, nearly enough about neurological science, to determine if the word "expanding" is appropriate.
In my mind, I always imagined it, as the electrical impulses, the neurons themselves...doing the "expanding"...perhaps silly, yes.
Concerning other drug motives touched on in this thread, few have clear objectives in mind, when embarking on psychedelic journeys or any drug experience.
People may approach drugs, with vague sometimes largely undefined or frivolous notions. But the element I see as the common ground is *change* for whatever motive, the desire for change. To anticipate or mentally project any other state than the one you are in, is IMO expanding in itself.
When I began mine, roughly 12 years ago...I had some vague expectation of change. As I moved further into the experience, the good, fantastic and traumatic, I had no idea that 12 years or so, later I would only be beginning to come to grips with those experiences.
I was mistaken, at that time into thinking that "expansion" would be immediate, and at that time, I failed to see the future potential beyond the psychedelic experience.
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On psychedellics, you just might begin to see things from a larger perspective.
Any experienced person would know this.
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Re: "Expand your mind" *rolls eyes* [Re: 04281969]
#8331690 - 04/26/08 06:43 PM (7 months, 5 days ago) |
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04281969 said:
On psychedellics, you just might begin to see things from a larger perspective.
Any experienced person would know this.
yes "experienced" person...
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