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 Presidential candidates on medical marijuana
#8234415 - 04/03/08 05:15 PM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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John McCain
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John McCain, U.S. Senator (R-AZ), gave the following reponse at a Town Hall meeting in Derry, New Hampshire on Sep. 30, 2007:
"Every medical expert I know of, including the AMA [American Medical Association], says that there are much more effective and much better treatments for pain than medical marijuana...I still would not support medical marijuana because I don't think that the preponderance of medical opinion in America agrees with [the] assertion that it's the most effective way of treating pain."
Barak Obama
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Barack Obama, U.S. Senator (D-IL), stated in a Mar. 22, 2008 interview with Gary Nelson, Editorial page editor for the Oregon newspaper Mail Tribune:
"When it comes to medical marijuana, I have more of a practical view than anything else. My attitude is that if it's an issue of doctors prescribing medical marijuana as a treatment for glaucoma or as a cancer treatment, I think that should be appropriate because there really is no difference between that and a doctor prescribing morphine or anything else. I think there are legitimate concerns in not wanting to allow people to grow their own or start setting up mom and pop shops because at that point it becomes fairly difficult to regulate.
I'm not familiar with all the details of the initiative that was passed [in Oregon] and what safeguards there were in place, but I think the basic concept that using medical marijuana in the same way, with the same controls as other drugs prescribed by doctors, I think that's entirely appropriate.
I would not punish doctors if it's prescribed in a way that is appropriate. That may require some changes in federal law. I will tell you that...the likelihood of that being real high on my list is not likely. What I'm not going to be doing is using Justice Department resources to try to circumvent state laws on this issue simply because I want folks to be investigating violent crimes and potential terrorism. We've got a lot of things for our law enforcement officers to deal with."
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Re: Presidential candidates on medical marijuana [Re: phi1618]
#8234435 - 04/03/08 05:20 PM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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mccain makes me want to 
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Re: Presidential candidates on medical marijuana [Re: Coaster]
#8234589 - 04/03/08 05:47 PM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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McKain could benefit from some drugs. Maybe he'd rethink his brutality
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Re: Presidential candidates on medical marijuana [Re: phi1618]
#8234644 - 04/03/08 06:01 PM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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Yeah, McCain is about as smart as a doorknob... but then again, so are a solid majority of the people who will vote for him.
The average Democratic voter is more intelligent (sticking solely to factual things one can make this determination... evolution vs. creationism, comprehensive sex education vs. 'abstinence only' programs, being against medical marijuana & industrial hemp, whether Saddam had stockpiles of active WMD in 2003), but unfortunately this hasn't translated into more intelligent & less hypocritical drug policy. I can only hope an Obama presidency proves me wrong... but I doubt it.
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Re: Presidential candidates on medical marijuana [Re: phi1618]
#8234953 - 04/03/08 07:06 PM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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I can't wait to see the debates once we get our candidates, I feel like McCain is gonna flop. As bill maher said its going to be YouTube vs Feeding Tube. I guess McCain thinks people should take harder drugs to relieve their pain. Here take some of these addictive perscription drugs.
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Re: Presidential candidates on medical marijuana [Re: phi1618]
#8237387 - 04/04/08 08:41 AM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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McCain, through his wife, has strong ties to the alcohol industry. There is no way he will ever support anything that could jeopardize alcohol's monopoly as a recreational drug.
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Re: Presidential candidates on medical marijuana [Re: Seuss]
#8237728 - 04/04/08 10:39 AM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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Who cares about medical cannabis? End the War on Drugs, vote Nader.
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Re: Presidential candidates on medical marijuana [Re: LaineRB]
#8237801 - 04/04/08 11:00 AM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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Vote for me; I have just as much chance of being President. Not only will I end the War on Drugs, I'll use federal money to grow it and the Postal Service to deliver it. 
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Re: Presidential candidates on medical marijuana [Re: LaineRB]
#8238100 - 04/04/08 12:29 PM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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Even if Nader were elected (and he won't be), he wouldn't be able to end the war on drugs alone - it's not politically possible right now. For now, the best we can hope for is this:
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I will tell you that...the likelihood of that being real high on my list is not likely. What I'm not going to be doing is using Justice Department resources to try to circumvent state laws on this issue simply because I want folks to be investigating violent crimes and potential terrorism.
As more states legalize medical marijuana and states and localities begin to effectively decriminalize marijuana, the question remains what the federal government will do. If there's no major crackdown from the feds, areas where these policies are implemented can be testing grounds: what problems will these policies cause? None?
Given politics, this sort of gradualism is the best we can hope for over the next 10 years.
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Re: Presidential candidates on medical marijuana [Re: fireworks_god]
#8238262 - 04/04/08 01:17 PM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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fireworks_god said:
Vote for me; I have just as much chance of being President. Not only will I end the War on Drugs, I'll use federal money to grow it and the Postal Service to deliver it.
No you won't, because the President does not have that authority.
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Re: Presidential candidates on medical marijuana [Re: zappaisgod]
#8238967 - 04/04/08 04:47 PM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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I'll be granted that authority as result of my overwhelming charisma.
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Re: Presidential candidates on medical marijuana [Re: fireworks_god]
#8239016 - 04/04/08 04:57 PM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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i vote 4 u fireworX goD
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Re: Presidential candidates on medical marijuana [Re: zappaisgod]
#8239135 - 04/04/08 05:28 PM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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fireworks_god said:
Vote for me; I have just as much chance of being President. Not only will I end the War on Drugs, I'll use federal money to grow it and the Postal Service to deliver it.
No you won't, because the President does not have that authority.
The Presidency seems to have quite a few more powers under Bush than it has under the Constitution.
What is to stop a President from saying "I'm not going to enforce this law anymore", akin to one of Bush's many Signing Statements, where he signs a bill and says, "By the way, I'm just going to ignore this or that provision because I don't think it's right."
You Conservatives absolutely eat that shit up. I don't see how the next President won't be able to do the same thing. Unless you have a double standar...Oh, yeah, you do.
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Re: Presidential candidates on medical marijuana [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8241270 - 04/05/08 02:57 AM (7 months, 26 days ago) |
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> You Conservatives absolutely eat that shit up.
Another duped by the my party is better than your party ploy... *sigh*
> Unless you have a double standar...Oh, yeah, you do.
Almost every politician, regardless of party, has a double standar... The following pretty much sums it up:
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Re: Presidential candidates on medical marijuana [Re: Seuss]
#8241376 - 04/05/08 04:06 AM (7 months, 26 days ago) |
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You can ride on the "Both Parties Are the Same" bandwagon all you want, but I don't buy it for a second.
If you are so blinded by your hatred of the American Political System that you cannot see the very substantive differences between the two parties, then I do not know what to tell you. I think the very fact that there is so much debate here between the two sides should be proof enough that we are in fact very far apart, not exactly the same as you claim.
You can make the argument if you'd like that the policies of both parties are destructive, but that still leaves room for me to say that one is much more destructive than the other.
Again, if you can't see the differences then I do not know what to tell you.
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Re: Presidential candidates on medical marijuana [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8241388 - 04/05/08 04:31 AM (7 months, 26 days ago) |
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> Again, if you can't see the differences then I do not know what to tell you.
Tell me what the differences are, as you see them...
Which party supports the patriot act? Both.
Which party supports the war in Iraq? Both.
Which party voted to raise their pay? Both.
Which party votes to keep drugs illegal? Both.
Which party likes to spend money? Both.
Which party supports campaign reform? Neither.
Which party supports big oil? Mainly republicans.
Which party supports big pharm? Mainly democrats.
Is big oil different than big pharm? Not really.
Which party supports globalization? Both.
Which party supports environmentalism? Neither (for the most part; look at the voting record, not the misdirections).
Sure, there may be minor differences. The wacky religious folks tend to hook up with the Republicans to push for legislation of their moral values. The wacky socialist folks tend to hook up with the Democrats to push for legislation of their moral values. Ignore these fringe elements of the two parties and look at the parties voting record rather than the lies they spew.
When I say they are the same, I look at it like a coin. They have different faces, but it is the same coin. When you boil it down, both parties have one and only one goal in mind... self-preservation at any expense, regardless of what the people want. When it comes to screwing over the American people (and the world for that matter), both parties are equal, though they put forth the illusion of difference to keep people distracted from what is really going on.
> your hatred of the American Political System
It isn't the American Political system that I hate, but the corruption created by the party system in American politics; something that the founding fathers were completely against. The system is stacked to keep the elite ruling families in power (Bush, Clinton, Kennedy, etc) while making it next to impossible for somebody new, that hasn't been approved by the ruling elite, to play. Look at the Democrat's superdelegates for case in point; a system designed so that the ruling elite in the Democrat party have the final say, not the people.
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Re: Presidential candidates on medical marijuana [Re: Seuss]
#8241399 - 04/05/08 04:50 AM (7 months, 26 days ago) |
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It isn't the American Political system that I hate, but the corruption created by the party system in American politics
The party system needs to be expelled. Government would be much more functional and beneficial with no party system.
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Re: Presidential candidates on medical marijuana (moved)
#8241565 - 04/05/08 06:57 AM (7 months, 26 days ago) |
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 This thread was moved from Political Discussion.
Reason:
Since this thread is about the drug policies of the presidential candidates, it is best suited to the Drug Policy subforum.
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Re: Presidential candidates on medical marijuana (moved) [Re: Phred]
#8242493 - 04/05/08 01:22 PM (7 months, 26 days ago) |
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If any of the candidates are elected you WILL NOT see reform for Marijuana on a federal level.
I am for the decriminalization of Marijuana I currently live in Arizona so it is hard to get that shit into motion. I believe it was back in 2002 they shot it down.
I believe we have to have our individual states and counties decriminalize marijuana before the morons in the federal court get the hint.
When did we freaking give so much of our responsibility to the government? Everyone is responsible for themselves the government is there to govern not make our damn daily life to life decisions... especially in a free country.
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Re: Presidential candidates on medical marijuana (moved) [Re: MrReedz]
#8243176 - 04/05/08 04:36 PM (7 months, 26 days ago) |
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Gee, I'm getting to enjoy seeing marijuana taken away from those who are experiencing a drug frenzy.
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Re: Presidential candidates on medical marijuana (moved) [Re: MrReedz]
#8243413 - 04/05/08 05:38 PM (7 months, 26 days ago) |
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I believe we have to have our individual states and counties decriminalize marijuana before the morons in the federal court get the hint.
No question, this is how it will proceed. However, there is a real question on the federal level as to how the executive branch will respond to conflicts between state and federal law. Will the FBI/DEA/etc. aggressively enforce prohibition in states where medical marijuana is legal?
If McCain is elected, there is a good chance that they will. Obama, on the other hand, has made it clear that he's "not going to be doing is using Justice Department resources to try to circumvent state laws on this issue."
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Re: Presidential candidates on medical marijuana [Re: zappaisgod]
#8268008 - 04/11/08 03:16 AM (7 months, 20 days ago) |
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Given obama's , hillary and mccains CFR status it would be absurd to believe the drug war will end. The drug war is necessary to keep the political elite in monopoly control of pricing, distribution, and banking of the major flow of imported "illegal" drugs. Not to mention the continued expansion of the prison industrial complex.
Criminal elements within government are the biggest drug dealers hands down.. and if you make enough waves they'll shut you down because they want to set prices, selective enforcement and regulation is what they want, and is no mistake. If you want broad legalization, the whole way of how people think and deal with government will have to change.
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