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Kurt Vonnegut's son's book "The Eden Express" on schizophrenia... anyone read?
    #8201837 - 03/27/08 05:15 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Has anyone here read Mark Vonnegut's book "The Eden Express"? Probably the best firsthand account that I've read of an experience leading into schizophrenia and finally out of it, and it gave me some intriguing perspectives on what schizophrenia is and some very interesting parallels to the traditional bad trip, especially as Vonnegut's descent into madness was triggered by a mescaline trip.

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I was completely in love, willing to die for or suffer incredibly for whatever they might want. A rush of warmth and emotion, spiritual and physical attraction, a wanting of oneness, a feeling of already oneness. When I looked at someone they were everything. They were beautiful, breathtakingly so. They were all things to me. The waitress was Eve, Helen of Troy, all women of all times, the eternal female principle, heroic, beautiful, my mother, my sisters, every woman I had ever loved. Everything good I had ever loved. Simon was Adam, Jesus, Bob Dylan, my father, every man I had ever loved. Their faces glowed with incredible light. It was impossible to focus, to hate, to fix. They were so mobile, all moving, all changing. They were whatever I needed and more. I loved them utterly.




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Feelings of warmth and strength make me weep for joy. I can feel the root tentacles being pulled through my whole body: out it comes, more and more. I am ecstatic as the peace passes up my throat, over my mouth, and through my nose to the top of my head. Ecstasy. That's what all the rushes of fear and pain were. Just getting free of the shit. Nothing but nothing is going to turn me around. Pain? Fear? Fuck 'em, this shit has got to go. I've seen heaven and nothing's gonna turn me around. What is that wants to turn me around and make me crawl back into believing all the sham about pain being unavoidable, utopia impossible? I'm a freight train, baby, don't give me no side track, no. I want your main line, baby. Climb aboard the Eden Express. This train, this train is comin' through. This train is bound for glory.




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By this time the voices had gotten very clear. At first I'd had to strain to hear or understand them. They were soft and working with some pretty tricky codes. Snap-crackle-pops, the sound of the wind with blinking lights and horns for punctuation. I broke the code and somehow was able to internalize it to the point where it was just like hearing words. In the beginning it seemed mostly nonsense, but as things went along they made more and more sense. Once you hear the voices, you realize they've always been there. It's just a mtter of being tuned to them.




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For one reason or another sex as I had known it was no longer possible. ... So for compensation, severance pay, or whatever, I got astral sex. ... I was electric with sexuality. Breathing gave me orgasm upon orgasm. I can't begin to describe what dancing with angels was like. Occasionally the puritan in me would try to worry about having to pay for this some day, but the pleasure was so all-engulfing there was very little room for second thoughts.




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Re: Kurt Vonnegut's son's book "The Eden Express" on schizophrenia... anyone read? [Re: deCypher]
    #8204979 - 03/28/08 06:20 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

wow, i'd like to read the full book.


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Re: Kurt Vonnegut's son's book "The Eden Express" on schizophrenia... anyone read? [Re: b0red5tiff]
    #8208244 - 03/28/08 10:47 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

sounds very similar to my brother's experience. except he never came back...


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Re: Kurt Vonnegut's son's book "The Eden Express" on schizophrenia... anyone read? [Re: IgnatiusJReilly]
    #8214925 - 03/30/08 04:37 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I've always wondered if people who have had bad trips on psychedelics and the like before and learned to conquer them would have a greater chance of "coming back" from schizophrenia.


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Re: Kurt Vonnegut's son's book "The Eden Express" on schizophrenia... anyone read? [Re: deCypher]
    #8218437 - 03/31/08 10:10 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know. Its like a bad trip which never ends, you have no chance to stop and find your reference points.


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Re: Kurt Vonnegut's son's book "The Eden Express" on schizophrenia... anyone read? [Re: DimensionX]
    #8218739 - 03/31/08 12:23 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

i had a dream where i went into a time machine and i was a schizo in the future, it was horrible. i don't even wanna think about it.


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Re: Kurt Vonnegut's son's book "The Eden Express" on schizophrenia... anyone read? [Re: b0red5tiff]
    #8221174 - 03/31/08 09:04 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Odd Coincidence. A friend of mine had recently given me this book, and I just had the chance to finish it the other day.
His style resembles his fathers in a way, though somehow still make it his own. One of the best book's i've read in a while.


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Re: Kurt Vonnegut's son's book "The Eden Express" on schizophrenia... anyone read? [Re: deCypher]
    #8226438 - 04/01/08 11:56 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Well now I must read the rest.

TO THE LIBRARY!


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No, says the man in Washington; it belongs to the poor.
No, says the man in the Vatican; it belongs to God.
No, says the man in Moscow; it belongs to everyone.

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Rapture.
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Re: Kurt Vonnegut's son's book "The Eden Express" on schizophrenia... anyone read? [Re: deCypher]
    #8226656 - 04/02/08 12:49 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

i saw him talking on the "Hippies" program on the history channel sunday afternoon while studying at my mom's house. he seemed like an interesting fellow, and i hope to read this book when summer break comes


wow, after reading those snippets, that hits very close to home. i will definitely be reading this, asap


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Re: Kurt Vonnegut's son's book "The Eden Express" on schizophrenia... anyone read? [Re: demiu5]
    #8229954 - 04/02/08 08:21 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I picked it up from the liberry this after.
I rather like it.


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No, says the man in Washington; it belongs to the poor.
No, says the man in the Vatican; it belongs to God.
No, says the man in Moscow; it belongs to everyone.

I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something
different. I chose the impossible. I chose...
Rapture.
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