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OfflineMadtowntripper
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Re: any Holocaust deniers on here? [Re: whattheheck]
    #8215172 - 03/30/08 02:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

No, that's not a good post.

So what about Russia? Since Stalin killed more people than Hitler then that means the Holocaust wasn't a big deal? By your logic, since Mao killed twice as many people as Hitler and Stalin then the other two don't matter.

I find it impossible that you didn't know we fought the Japanese in WW2 unless you were willfully ignorant. I knew that by the time I was in middle school, and I don't know how you could not.

I don't know anyone who would describe WW2 as "The Holocaust".

I just disagree with almost everything you said.


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: any Holocaust deniers on here? [Re: whattheheck]
    #8215212 - 03/30/08 02:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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why do we NEVER hear about all the Christians who were also killed?





It's where the pink triangle comes from, it was to homosexual concentration camp inmates like the yellow star was to Jews.


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Between 1933-45, an estimated 100,000 men were arrested as homosexuals, and of these, some 50,000 officially were sentenced. Most of these men spent time in regular prisons, and an estimated 5,000 to 15,000 of the total sentenced were incarcerated in concentration camps. It is unclear how many of these 5,000 to 15,000 eventually perished in the concentration camps. The leading scholar Ruediger Lautman however believes that the death rate in concentration camps of imprisoned homosexuals may have been as high as 60%. Homosexuals in camps were treated in an unusually cruel manner by their captors, and were also persecuted by their fellow inmates. This was a factor in the relatively high death rate for homosexuals, compared to other "anti-social groups".
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After the war, the treatment of homosexuals in concentration camps went unacknowledged by most countries, with the allies refusing to liberate those incarcerated for homosexuality, instead leaving them in the camps. Some that did escape were even re-arrested and imprisoned based on evidence found during the Nazi years. It was not until the 1980s that governments acknowledged this episode, and not until 2002 that the German government apologized to the gay community. This period still provokes controversy, however. In 2005, the European Parliament adopted a resolution regarding the Holocaust where the persecution of homosexuals was mentioned.
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Gay men suffered unusually cruel treatment in the concentration camps. They faced persecution not only from German soldiers but also from other prisoners, and many gay men were beaten to death. Additionally, gay men in forced labor camps routinely received more grueling and dangerous work assignments than other non-Jewish inmates, under the policy of "Extermination Through Work". SS soldiers also were known to use gay men for target practice, aiming their weapons at the pink triangles their human targets were forced to wear.
Infamous Nazi doctor Carl Vaernet who conducted medical experiments on gay prisoners.
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The harsh treatment can be attributed to the view of the SS guards toward gay men, as well as to the homophobic attitudes present in German society at large. The marginalization of gay men in Germany was reflected in the camps. Many died from savage beatings, some of them caused by other prisoners. Nazi doctors often used gay men for scientific experiments in an attempt to locate a "gay gene" to "cure" any future Aryan children who were gay.




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Re: any Holocaust deniers on here? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8215253 - 03/30/08 02:47 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yea for real. My school taught us all about World War 2 long before 11th grade. And I knew they killed homosexuals, christians,the retarded, and etc.. All talked about in school, along with major battles. Not sure where this asshole went


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Re: any Holocaust deniers on here? [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
    #8215537 - 03/30/08 04:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

See, I didn't know any of THAT either. :foreheadslap: You can find impossible all the things that you want to find impossible, some people find the holocaust impossible, doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

That along with that fact that you are 100% ignorant as to what my school district and it's teachers taught, compounded with the fact that I have had this conversation with many people who went to school here, including a few who are now history teachers, I feel comfortable telling you that it is, in fact possible.

The remark about 11th grade was that I was unaware UNTIL 11th grade the extent of the war in the pacific, not that we weren't taught about WWII.

PS Crap, I meant to split up my posts, and got distracted. Obviously the bulk of this was for MTT.

And BTW, I'm not saying that what happened in the holocaust was "okay" I merely stated that the holocaust was a part of one war and is nothing novel among humans along with the FACT that the atrocities committed during the same war by Stalin recieve far less attention on the whole in society and in K-12 curriculum . If you want to argue that point, I'll let you hack it out with my PhD friend who wrote his masters thesis on this very subject. I myself am not even a peasant in the world of academia. 

ALL of this stuff sucks. Holocaust, Vietnam, Iraq, et cetera.


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Re: any Holocaust deniers on here? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #8215559 - 03/30/08 04:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thats like saying blacks came over to the US by themselves and slavery never happen...:shake:


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