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Radiant was permabanned a long time ago. I think he will pick that account to keep 
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Re: water torch [Re: Annom]
#8309883 - 04/21/08 08:37 AM (7 months, 11 days ago) |
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> Radiant was permabanned a long time ago.
Doh, almost a year to the day. I saw posts in April from both accounts, but didn't look at the year... 07 vs 08. Thanks for the correction.
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Re: water torch [Re: Seuss]
#8310468 - 04/21/08 12:45 PM (7 months, 10 days ago) |
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Wow at least one person cares enough to actually ask questions about it. My personal goal with this technology is create a water fuel cell that I will install in my car and run it off my battery while the battery is being recharged by the cars alternator. This will give me at least a 30% boost in gas mileage and a 10% increase in power. Also I will be able to use this same cell to power the worlds hottest torch flame this thing gets twice as hot as a plasma cutter. Try melting steel into brick with a oxy-acetylene torch not gonna happen but with browns gas it takes about 5 seconds. Go talk to Samsung if you still think this is snake oil. I'll be busy laughing my ass all the way to the bank in the meantime.
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You think that converting chemical energy --> heat --> mechanical --> electrical --> mechanical is going to be more efficient than going from chemical --> heat --> mechanical? Time to go back to freshman physics I think... Everytime you change energy from one form to another, you lose energy. In essence, every transformation above ('-->') has energy loss associated with it.
Your plan will needlessly turn usable mechanical energy into electrical and back to mechanical. Why the hell would you want to do that? Just use the mechanical energy you have to begin with.
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Re: water torch [Re: Seuss]
#8310834 - 04/21/08 02:57 PM (7 months, 10 days ago) |
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I know water vapour is a green house gas, but if it was there in quantity (like it will be when this whole hydrogen revolution bs comes into play) will its particularly high specific heat capacity come into play when absorbing infrared radiation?
What I'm trying to say is that 4200kJ/mol of energy is required in order to raise the temperature of water by 1K. So if there is excess water in the atmosphere wouldn't this do its part in absorbing a lot of the energy that the infrared radiation 'carries', therefore not posing that much of an issue to the global climate (apart from the perpetual torrential downpours )?
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Re: water torch [Re: Cepheus]
#8311265 - 04/21/08 04:53 PM (7 months, 10 days ago) |
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> What I'm trying to say is that 4200kJ/mol of energy is required in order to raise the temperature of water by 1K.
Not with browns gas. Browns gas is special and can avoid the laws of fisics. Just drop a 9-volt battewy into your toilet and you get browns gas from sewage. Browns gas can even power a space ship into space and probably make it go faster than light. Browns gas can even power time travel! Browns gas is super duper special. Don't taunt happy brown gas. With brown gas, you can make things really hot. Much hotter than with greens gas, or blues gas. Browns gas is where it is at. Brown brown brown gas! Wheeeeeee.....
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Re: water torch [Re: Seuss]
#8311511 - 04/21/08 05:55 PM (7 months, 10 days ago) |
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Um no commie you need to go to a advanced physics class if you want to understand my shiat. It's called water disassociation and the electrolysis negatively charges the gas clusters in the water. If you want I can send you a pdf to explain the process in full detail. Browns gas torches are used for commercial welding all over the world and the gas itself exhibits some amazing features. Also that pdf I have answers your question on how this gas molecule is absorbing energy from zpe. For more about it I refer you again to www.brownsgas.com or wikipedia oxyhydrogen.
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Where exactly did you take advanced physics courses?
Youtube University?
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buddhahoodlum said:
My personal goal with this technology is create a water fuel cell that I will install in my car and run it off my battery while the battery is being recharged by the cars alternator. This will give me at least a 30% boost in gas mileage and a 10% increase in power.
No, this will give you a LOSS in mileage and in power.
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Re: water torch [Re: Anno]
#8313310 - 04/22/08 04:12 AM (7 months, 10 days ago) |
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> No, this will give you a LOSS in mileage and in power.
No, you gerble it is using browns gas which is special and produces energy hotter than the sun. browns gas avoids the laws of phisics and and creates exter powergy so you are rong. go awtch youtube if you want to understand.
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Re: water torch [Re: Seuss]
#8313346 - 04/22/08 05:02 AM (7 months, 10 days ago) |
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Ah....I see....
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Wow at least one person cares enough to actually ask questions about it. My personal goal with this technology is create a water fuel cell that I will install in my car and run it off my battery while the battery is being recharged by the cars alternator. This will give me at least a 30% boost in gas mileage and a 10% increase in power. Also I will be able to use this same cell to power the worlds hottest torch flame this thing gets twice as hot as a plasma cutter. Try melting steel into brick with a oxy-acetylene torch not gonna happen but with browns gas it takes about 5 seconds. Go talk to Samsung if you still think this is snake oil. I'll be busy laughing my ass all the way to the bank in the meantime.
i want a car that runs on liquid steal fuel. 
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Re: water torch [Re: rodfarva]
#8314098 - 04/22/08 11:45 AM (7 months, 9 days ago) |
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Good job my point proven you can't even have a intellectual debate with me on this. Have you guys ever heard of being in the limelight you might wanna recheck where that phrase came from you might just be suprised but since you guys think you know everything about the world already why even bother looking into it right?
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The current theory of Brown's Gas states that Brown's Gas is a mixture of di-atomic and mon-atomic hydrogen and oxygen. Brown's Gas, Book One explains it in detail, but here is a peek.
The simplest way to make Brown's Gas is to use an electrolyzer, which uses electricity to split water into its elements of hydrogen and oxygen. At the instant that the water splits, the hydrogen and oxygen are in their mon-atomic state, this is H for hydrogen and O for oxygen.
Normal electrolyzers encourage the hydrogen and oxygen to drop to their di-atomic state. Di-atomic means the hydrogen formed H2 and the oxygen formed O2. The di-atomic state is a lower energy state, the energy difference shows up as heat in the electrolyzer. This energy is now unavailable to the flame.
WHAT IF a significant number of these H and O atoms did not reform into di-atomic molecules? We start by adding 442.4 Kcal per mole to split water using electrolysis. This is an endothermic (energy absorbing) action. But if we have no, or little, 're-bonding' into di-atomic molecules, then our electrolyzer wouldn't heat up, because there would be no exothermic reaction that would cause excess heat, beyond the agitation of the fluid by the bubbles. This 'lack of heat' in the electrolyzer is what I noted in my experiments that actually produced Brown's Gas.
Anyone with even a slight knowledge of physics or chemistry could tell you that that is absolute bollocks.
Ever heard of entropy? Thermodynamics? kinetic theory?
Anything in this universe that has a decrease in entropy (i.e. turning water into its mono-atomic constituents and keeping them this way) will not happen spontaeneously.
Also, everything in the universe tends towards the lowest energy state it can occupy, hence why you don't see Hydrogen radicals floating around of their own accord.
You've been consumed into the hysteria. Go read about these topics and then tell me that this shit isn't bullshit.
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Re: water torch [Re: Cepheus]
#8314519 - 04/22/08 01:50 PM (7 months, 9 days ago) |
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I was under the impression that STORING energy in hydrogen gas is effective, but this has nothing to do with CREATING energy?
If using alternative energy sources, would this not be a bad idea?
What do you think would be more efficient (besides fossil fuels)?
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> I was under the impression that STORING energy in hydrogen gas is effective
You can certainly store energy using hydrogen gas, but anytime you convert energy from one form into another, you lose some (through friction, etc). The real question to ask is how efficient is it to store energy in hydrogen gas.
> What do you think would be more efficient (besides fossil fuels)?
The answer to that question will make somebody very wealthy. This is why you see so many people pushing the joy of "browns gas" or "hho gas" or what ever other cute name they came up with for the week; the con artists come out for the money and convince the people that don't know any better that they are on to something special.
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Re: water torch [Re: Seuss]
#8314590 - 04/22/08 02:16 PM (7 months, 9 days ago) |
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I gotcha. Thanks for answering my questions.
George Green has far, far, far out stories
but magnets look promising
The answer to the problem shouldn't make anyone rich. We need free energy.
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> We need free energy.
Fusion is the holy grail of free energy, quite literally turning hydrogen into energy (in the form of heat, mostly). Unfortunately, we haven't mastered the technology. There is an international effort under way to perfect the technology. It has taken years to get the nations to commit to whole $10 billion for the project; about the same amount the US dumps into Iraq every month. Free energy would make a few very powerful people very unhappy.
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Re: water torch [Re: Seuss]
#8315072 - 04/22/08 04:17 PM (7 months, 9 days ago) |
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Free energy would make a few very powerful people very unhappy.
we need that too
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Re: water torch [Re: Cepheus]
#8315798 - 04/22/08 07:07 PM (7 months, 9 days ago) |
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For one I don't even believe that crap you posted. All I know is that it has to do with water disassociation and the gas that comes out of the electrolysis cell is the most combustible gas I've ever seen. Hydrogen alone pails in comparison to the combustibility of oxyhydrogen. Seriously go look up oxyhydrogen on wikipedia then get back to me until then I will discuss this no more.
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Edited by buddhahoodlum (04/22/08 07:10 PM)
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