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> Steam condenses into water and doesn't accumulate in the atmosphere.
I thought clouds were suspended water vapor in the atmosphere? Silly me. So we trade global warming for global flooding? Pollution is pollution, even when it is in the form of water vapor.
> I don't understand why he's using a gas/hydrogen hybrid if he can run a car just on gas??
Hard to con investors unless you can make it sound special somehow. Why call it magical HHO gas when it is really just hydrogen gas mixed with oxygen gas in a 2:1 ratio. Same reason... HHO gas sounds like something special, while few are impressed with hydrogen gas.
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What about Seuss' point that H20 gas (steam and water vapor) is a strong greenhouse gas. Sure it sounds nice because it sounds natural, but how is that better than putting carbon dioxide into the atmosphere?
Steam condenses into water and doesn't accumulate in the atmosphere. Also, it's a closed cycle . (H2O -> H2 + O -> H2O)
I thought the relative small human water gas production doesn't cause a change in global water vapour/gas equilibrium and can thus not be seen as a significant factor in human caused global warming.
If not, they should put water condensation chambers in cars.
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> I thought the relative small human water gas production
Small now, but if everybody were to start burning hydrogen over oil...
> If not, they should put water condensation chambers in cars.
Which requires cooling or pressure changes which requires energy which generates more pollution. My point is that there is no magic bullet in any form of chemical combustion that is going to save the day. Even electric cars pollute, indirectly, when the electricity that charges the batteries in the car is produced.
The energy companies are dumping billions of dollars into renewable energy research, but they do not dump money into fusion research. There is a reason for this and it has to do with profits. (Power from fusion will obsolete fossil fuels, where power from renewable energy will only supplement fossil fuels.)
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Re: water torch [Re: Seuss]
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Nuclear fusion has been 30 years away for the last 60 years. Fusion will also be dependent upon big business (probably)
Personally, I'm more interested in small scale renewable energy. I'm far more concerned about dependence on big business than global warming.
Also, clouds detract from global warming by reflecting more sunlight into space.
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> Fusion will also be dependent upon big business
Exact opposite. Fusion based power is the great equalizer; it will end the worlds dependence upon "big business". This is why it has been 30 years away for the last 60 years. There is no profit in fusion based power, thus if it becomes a reality, the major players in the world energy market will lose their monopoly over night.
> Personally, I'm more interested in small scale renewable energy.
Exactly what the energy companies want you to be interested in. Something that will never work, but will keep us occupied for the next 30 years while they continue to squeeze every last drop of fossil fuel based money out of our pockets.
> Also, clouds detract from global warming by reflecting more sunlight into space.
Misleading. What do they do to infrared red which is responsible for warming? More to the point, what is the absorption percentages of IR light/heat with water vapor compared to CO2.
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Re: water torch [Re: Seuss]
#8227845 - 04/02/08 09:29 AM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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How is a multi-hundred-billion dollar fusion reactor not dependent on big business?
Are you saying that we could build fusion reactors for under ten thousand dollars? If so then it qualifies as small scale renewable energy, and I am interested. Maybe you're thinking of cold fusion or something.
Infrared reflection of clouds:
http://zebu.uoregon.edu/1998/es202/l13.html
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You guys should really study a little harder on this topic before posting. Speculation based on nothing is going to get you nowhere. Have you guys even studied brown's gas or rhode's gas or oxyhydrogen or hydroxy if not then you have no clue what your talking about on this subject matter. Yes it is real and proven science that one day will change the whole world mark my words.
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> You guys should really study a little harder on this topic before posting.
I've had eight years of engineering school and over 180 accredited college hours at both the undergraduate and graduate level in computer science and electrical engineering (along with a lot of physics, nuclear physics, and mathematics). What is your background?
> Have you guys even studied brown's gas or rhode's gas or oxyhydrogen or hydroxy if not then you have no clue what your talking about on this subject matter.
If you mean oxygen and hydrogen, then yes. If you mean anything else, then you are the one that as ho clue what you are talking about.
It doesn't matter what you call it, how you slice and dice it, or what you want to pretend... THIS IS NOTHING MORE THAN ELECTROLYSIS OF WATER. I hate using caps, but maybe it will help with the dense that think "Seuss Air" somehow more special than normal air.
Rhodes gas is a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen at a 2:1 ratio.
Browns gas is a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen at a 2:1 ratio.
HHO gas is a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen at a 2:1 ratio.
Oxy-Hydrogen is a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen.
Hydro-oxygen is a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen.
There is NOTHING special, or different, about any of these gasses, other than the nifty name to impress ignorant people that don't know any better.
> Yes it is real and proven science that one day will change the whole world mark my words.
Yes, it is called combustion, and has been around as long as mankind has been recording events.
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Re: water torch [Re: Seuss]
#8291645 - 04/16/08 01:45 PM (7 months, 15 days ago) |
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> Have you guys even studied brown's gas or rhode's gas or oxyhydrogen or hydroxy if not then you have no clue what your talking about on this subject matter.
If you mean oxygen and hydrogen, then yes. If you mean anything else, then you are the one that as ho clue what you are talking about.
Exactly.
Calling something a neat tradename doesn't make it special. The problem isn't the gases, its the production fo those gases.
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Re: water torch [Re: johnm214]
#8301394 - 04/18/08 03:25 PM (7 months, 13 days ago) |
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Haha are you guys serious do a search on youtube for hho and you'll find all you need. I am currently building a water fuel cell myself and you see I actually study about things like hydrinos rather than outright dismissing everyones claims. Also I hope you realize that browns gas is already used widely for commercial welding and lcd panel making. So ya go do some actual reading and then get back to me.
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“Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature."
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Seuss
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> Haha are you guys serious do a search on youtube for hho and you'll find all you need.
Nah. I will leave it to you to save the world. Good luck. (Besides, I am too busy reading the latest journal of applied physics to take time out for something as deep as youtube. The jounral contains a very interesting paper about carbon nanotubes. Well worth the read, but not really technical compared to the information available from such a prestigious scientific organization as youtube.)
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I actually study about things like hydrated electrons rather than outright dismissing everyones claims.
That's great, perhaps you can somehow combine your knowledge with Steorn's to help them get their perpetual Orbo going....
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Re: water torch [Re: Anno]
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Haha Steorn could pull through you never know. But this is tryed and true by thousands of people including leading scientists in the field mainly coming out of Asia. Leave it to America to drop the ball on another valuable industry.
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haha, you get called out on not explaining any science, and using youtube for sources.
Your response: Default into America bashing. Probably not a bad move, considering thats the best way to get people to believe you on an internet forum.
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If you want to stick to pure science that is being discussed around this topic right now then I'll refer you to Moray B King and this video on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8f1dadTfl0&feature=related. And also since when was youtube faketube wake up sheeple its right in front of our faces.
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Yeah, I found it a bid odd as well... I'm pretty certain if I checked for a puppet, I would find one. One of those radiant moments where the light bulb turns on, so to speak.
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Re: water torch [Re: Seuss]
#8308636 - 04/20/08 07:13 PM (7 months, 11 days ago) |
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Your correct it is radiant energy coming from the ZPE field now your getting my drift. How odd it is too that when I put a 9 volt battery in a glass of water mixed with some baking soda that I would get a implosive gas called oxyhydrogen fascinating stuff isn't it. Also take a look at this Korean company it explains the history behind this gas. http://browngas.com/eng_bestkorea/column.htm
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“Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature."
- Nikola Tesla
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> Your correct it is radiant energy coming
I gave you a chance, and you spit on it. Which do you want to keep, this account or Radiant? Puppets are not allowed. One of the two is going to be permabanned. If you don't pick one, I will ban both. You can let me know via PM.
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buddhahoodlum said:
If you want to stick to pure science that is being discussed around this topic right now then I'll refer you to Moray B King and this video on youtube [url=&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8f1dadTfl0&feature=related[/url]. And also since when was youtube faketube wake up sheeple its right in front of our faces.
great, and what is that supposed to demonstrate?
What are you claiming here, specifically? What is the point of using water electrolysis to create fuel onboard? What specifically do you claim this accomplishes? No vague youtube slideshows or insults... we all understand hydrogen.
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Re: water torch [Re: johnm214]
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> What are you claiming here, specifically?
Don't waste your time. It is a puppet playing stupid.
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